Originally posted by Tptmanno1
As Gregory said, you cannot have a prophecy told in one part of the bible and then "fufill" it later.
Thats not a prophecy, its foreshadowing.
Show me a historical one. Not one that is only proved by the bible.
And preferable one mroe modern, because the bible has been rewritten many times.
A historical one would be in FeceMan's post about the refounding of Israel. It was prophecied more than 2000 years ago and came true in 1948 (or was it 49?).
Re: Biblical Prophecy Fulfilled
Originally posted by FeceMan
Ya know, I hate to do a "JIA thread,"
Is there a reason why you cannot keep my name out of your mouth? Your remarks slight me gratuitously (i.e. they are uncalled for and unprovoked). I have never done so against you.
Romans 12:21
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
I will not be overcome by evil, but I endeavor to overcome evil with good.
Originally posted by FeceMan
JIA: Constitution says 'Jesus' so it means something.
Everyone else: Not really.
JIA: Uh-huh.
Everyone else: No.[This continues for a retarded period of time.]
JIA: JFK talked about Jesus.
Everyone else: What's your point?
Me: Why do I keep looking at this thread?
Originally posted by FeceMan
I will say, in the ever-so-slight defense of JIA, that the references to "the clergy" were referring to the tyranny of the Catholic church and not religion as a whole. Furthermore, the Founders did not participate in the degree of "separation of church and state" that is present in the United States today.Still, JIA is dumb.
I guess if an atheist talks about something ocurring around the year 300 A.D., he believes in God. [
2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.
Paul the apostle experienced unprovoked persecution just as I have. In his second letter to Timothy he wrote about it and even named his aggressor. FeceMan, you have done me harm as it were in your posts, but I refuse to repay evil for evil. May the Lord repay you according to your works.
John 13:35
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
It is obvious that you do not have love for other Christians, so then based on this Scripture you are not a disciple of Jesus Christ. I have never scorned, ridiculed, or belittled you in any way, but yet you have done so to me on several occasions without provocation. These are the facts. I forgive you, but the Lord will repay you according to your works unless you repent.
A historical one would be in FeceMan's post about the refounding of Israel. It was prophecied more than 2000 years ago and came true in 1948 (or was it 49?).
I'd call that more wishful thinking that happened to get validated then "prophesy."
As for the other ones, no. I mean if you want to take them as fulfilled prophocy as an item, of your faith, it's fine by me, but as a witnessing tool? This is what I'm talking about; if somebody doesn't already believe that say, Matthew, is an inspired book, then it's useless to say, "Look, Matthew says this happened!" because the only person in the conversation who thinks "Matthew said it" is the same as "it happened" is you.
(In Mark, Jesus tells his followers that the Second Coming will occur durring their lifetime, if you want to talk about un fulfilled prophocy...)
(Please go away, JIA; we've been having such a nice conversation, why did you have to come barging into it?)
Re: Re: Biblical Prophecy Fulfilled
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is there a reason why you cannot keep my name out of your mouth? Your remarks slight me gratuitously (i.e. they are uncalled for and unprovoked). I have never done so against you.[B]Romans 12:21
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.I will not be overcome by evil, but I endeavor to overcome evil with good.
2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.Paul the apostle experienced unprovoked persecution just as I have. In his second letter to Timothy he wrote about it and even named his aggressor. FeceMan, you have done me harm as it were in your posts, but I refuse to repay evil for evil. May the Lord repay you according to your works.
John 13:35
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”It is obvious that you do not have love for other Christians, so then based on this Scripture you are not a disciple of Jesus Christ. I have never scorned, ridiculed, or belittled you in any way, but yet you have done so to me on several occasions without provocation. These are the facts. I forgive you, but the Lord will repay you according to your works unless you repent. [/B]
Re: Biblical Prophecy Fulfilled
Originally posted by FeceManGreat find, I'll read through it more later...Though it seems to only talk about the OT...And I don't disagree that there could of been certain historical figures and battles, though I believe things may have been exaggerated. But I need to go back and read through your links before I say more..
Ya know, I hate to do a "JIA thread," but we were talking about it today in church and there's a book out that claims that over 2,000 biblical prophecies have been fulfilled.A tad skeptical, I went looking online.
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-prophecies-fulfilled.htm
A better site is here:
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml
(Now, don't ask me where in the hell they got the probabilities, but that's not really the point.)
A historical one would be in FeceMan's post about the refounding of Israel. It was prophecied more than 2000 years ago and came true in 1948 (or was it 49?).It was 1948, but it was talking about the "fig tree"...and in other places the "fig tree" does NOT repesent Israel...
Originally posted by FeceMan
*Sighs.*You know, I'm starting to think that Abraham saying, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead," is really quite accurate.
Re: Biblical Prophecy Fulfilled
Originally posted by FeceMan
Ya know, I hate to do a "JIA thread," but we were talking about it today in church and there's a book out that claims that over 2,000 biblical prophecies have been fulfilled.A tad skeptical, I went looking online.
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-prophecies-fulfilled.htm
A better site is here:
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml
(Now, don't ask me where in the hell they got the probabilities, but that's not really the point.)
Originally posted by FeceMan
Which, of course, will be touted as him knowing he wasn't actually the Messiah but making it look like he was.
Originally posted by Alliance
"propheses"Honestly, these people didn't even record supernova, you think you'd meet the man and remeber a sort-of-bright star 30 years ago? No.
It'd be spectacularly easy to do. Leaders thorught history to aspire to beecome mythigc dictators twist and spin legends around his birth.
Originally posted by sonnetIt astounds me that people still believe this stuff and the gullibility of people.
And still people would say the Bible was written by men who thought up stories. 😆 Amasing!!! I sometimes really are astounded by their closed mindedness and stubborness to accept the Truth.
It will never occur to people that they can't use the Bible to verify the Bible. Never. Even after you explain it. Yes, sonnet, because we absolutely can't explain why Jesus was born in the right place without resorting to prophocy. It would never occur to us that Matthew might have altered the acount to make it concur with the prophocy.
We know Mattew is accurate, because it's in the Bible.
We know the Bible is accurate, because its prophocies are fulfilled. For example, Jesus is born where it was predicted.
We know that Jesus was born where it was predicted, because it says so in Matthew.
And we know that Matthew is accurate because it's in the Bible.
And the song and dance goes on...
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Originally posted by Gregory
It will never occur to people that they can't use the Bible to verify the Bible. Never. Even after you explain it. Yes, sonnet, because we absolutely can't explain why Jesus was born in the right place without resorting to prophocy. It would never occur to us that Matthew might have altered the acount to make it concur with the prophocy.We know Mattew is accurate, because it's in the Bible.
We know the Bible is accurate, because its prophocies are fulfilled. For example, Jesus is born where it was predicted.
We know that Jesus was born where it was predicted, because it says so in Matthew.
And we know that Matthew is accurate because it's in the Bible.
I suppose that, if you actually read the prophecies that are not verified by the Bible but by historical data, you would...
Naw, you wouldn't. Bible verifying itself, kthx.
I suppose when you have absolutely no argument, insulting the other person is as good a technique as any.
Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem."Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem."
"Know therefore, and understand, that from the going out in the world to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks." (Daniel 9:25 ESV) The actualy building process would take sixty-two weeks. "Seven weeks" = 483 years? You know, Daniel also says that it would be the followers of the Messiah who would destory the city. Of course, Jerusalem was never actually destroyed (your wonderful website mixes up the destruction of the Second Temple with the destruction of Jerusalem), and when the Second Temple was destroyed, it was by the Roman army, not the "Prince's people." So, uh, yeh. I guess when that's the best you have, it's not terribly surprising that you'd have to resort to insults.
Originally posted by Gregory
It will never occur to people that they can't use the Bible to verify the Bible. Never. Even after you explain it. Yes, sonnet, because we absolutely can't explain why Jesus was born in the right place without resorting to prophocy. It would never occur to us that Matthew might have altered the acount to make it concur with the prophocy.We know Mattew is accurate, because it's in the Bible.
We know the Bible is accurate, because its prophocies are fulfilled. For example, Jesus is born where it was predicted.
We know that Jesus was born where it was predicted, because it says so in Matthew.