Biblical Prophecy Fulfilled

Started by sonnet6 pages

Originally posted by Gregory
Don't quit your day job, kid; the psychic gig isn't for you. Of course most of the books aren't by their alleged authors. The same sort of research has shown that some of the letters of Paul are almost certainly not by Paul. And of course, Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John aren't by the people they're names after (well, they never claim to be).


Actually the books in the NT in the Bible have been verified and was written about 30 - 60 years after Christ was crusified and by the authors just as they are "claimed " to be. They knew or lived with Jesus or the disciples or the apostles. Very credible. They got first hand information.

The other books not included in the Bible were written over 100 years after Christ and besides the controversy around the alleged authors of the books, none of them knew Jesus, lived while he was on earth or knew anyone that was with Jeus or His disciples. Thus no credibility for those books.

Originally posted by sonnet
Actually the books in the NT in the Bible have been verified and was written about 30 - 60 years after Christ was crusified and by the authors just as they are "claimed " to be. They knew or lived with Jesus or the disciples or the apostles. Very credible. They got first hand information.

The other books not included in the Bible were written over 100 years after Christ and besides the controversy around the alleged authors of the books, none of them knew Jesus, lived while he was on earth or knew anyone that was with Jeus or His disciples. Thus no credibility for those books.

no, they haven't been "verified" at that age. Read up on your own philosophy. It might be "enlightening".

Most of them were written at least 100 years after jesus existed. Are you ****ing stupid? No, you're not. You're willfully ignorant. Out of the 4 dozen gospels written, only four made the final cut? Why is that? Because the bible was edited and approved by people who were NOT alive when the events took place! They were condensed by people in power, positions they didn't want to loose, three or four centuries later! Condensed by propogandists that wanted to speak for god, much the same way you are attempting to do now! Face it. Your religion is a hoax. And you fail Jesus miserablly! Not only are you full of shit when it comes to Jesus, but Jesus himself would condemn you based on your own ignorance of what he said, preached, believed!

You might find the King James Version of the Bible in every hotel drawer in North america, but you won't find the dozens of other manuscripts that were written to describe teh truth of the situation.

Originally posted by sonnet
Actually the books in the NT in the Bible have been verified and was written about 30 - 60 years after Christ was crusified and by the authors just as they are "claimed " to be. They knew or lived with Jesus or the disciples or the apostles. Very credible. They got first hand information.

The other books not included in the Bible were written over 100 years after Christ and besides the controversy around the alleged authors of the books, none of them knew Jesus, lived while he was on earth or knew anyone that was with Jeus or His disciples. Thus no credibility for those books.

What is your souce for these claims?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
no, they haven't been "verified" at that age. Read up on your own philosophy. It might be "enlightening".

Most of them were written at least 100 years after jesus existed. Are you ****ing stupid? No, you're not. You're willfully ignorant. Out of the 4 dozen gospels written, only four made the final cut? Why is that? Because the bible was edited and approved by people who were NOT alive when the events took place! They were condensed by people in power, positions they didn't want to loose, three or four centuries later! Condensed by propogandists that wanted to speak for god, much the same way you are attempting to do now! Face it. Your religion is a hoax. And you fail Jesus miserablly! Not only are you full of shit when it comes to Jesus, but Jesus himself would condemn you based on your own ignorance of what he said, preached, believed!

You might find the King James Version of the Bible in every hotel drawer in North america, but you won't find the dozens of other manuscripts that were written to describe teh truth of the situation.


My God, you are a fool. The gospels in the Bible were already in use in the earliest churches and surely someone would have noticed over the years if dramatic changes had been done. I do not fail Jesus or God for I stand steadfast in my faith in God and His son Jesus. I do not change my faith on a whim just because some new "evidence" has shown up out of the pen of some unbeliever or sceptic. That would be failing God and Jesus! And please stop using your fowl language when you adress me. You can use it on your fellow non- believers and plasphemers if you like.

Originally posted by sonnet
My God, you are a fool. The gospels in the Bible were already in use in the earliest churches and surely someone would have noticed over the years if dramatic changes had been done. I do not fail Jesus or God for I stand steadfast in my faith in God and His son Jesus. I do not change my faith on a whim just because some new "evidence" has shown up out of the pen of some unbeliever or sceptic. That would be failing God and Jesus! And please stop using your fowl language when you adress me. You can use it on your fellow non- believers and plasphemers if you like.

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING !

YA ZEALOT

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING !

YA ZEALOT


I'll rather be that than totaly lost like you!!!

Originally posted by sonnet
I'll rather be that than totaly lost like you!!!

How am I lost ? 😕

I'm pretty secure with myself and my life... ✅

Hey, guys?

This thread is for discussing how prophesies in the Bible have been fulfilled, not for when the Gospels were written.

Wikipedia, mother****ers
Estimates for the dates when the canonical Gospel accounts were written vary significantly; and the evidence for any of the dates is scanty. Because the earliest surviving complete copies of the Gospels date to the 4th century and because only fragments and quotations exist before that, scholars use higher criticism to propose likely ranges of dates for the original gospel autographs. Conservative scholars tend to date earlier than others while liberal scholars usually date as late as possible.
Actually the books in the NT in the Bible have been verified and was written about 30 - 60 years after Christ was crusified and by the authors just as they are "claimed " to be.

Mark was written about 70, so more like 40+ years, but whatever.

Please tell me you realize that, for example, ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of Mark do not have "The Gospel According to Mark" written on them. Please, please tell me you realize that their titles are much later additions.

Please tell me this. Lie if you have to.

As a matter of fact, we know that the Gospels changed over time, because we have a variety of ancient manuscripts. Which we can, you know, compare. But as has been mentioned, this is getting off topic.

Originally posted by Gregory
Mark was written about 70, so more like 40+ years, but whatever.

Please tell me you realize that, for example, ancient manuscripts of the Gospel of Mark do not have "The Gospel According to Mark" written on them. Please, please tell me you realize that their titles are much later additions.

Please tell me this. Lie if you have to.

As a matter of fact, we know that the Gospels changed over time, because we have a variety of ancient manuscripts. Which we can, you know, compare. But as has been mentioned, this is getting off topic.


Well then since our sources are contradictory it seems we shall agree to stick to what we individualy believe. If the Bible are so changed how can you then want to look at propheses that are fulfilled. Did they then not change the propheses too???? Was just wondering.

That the Gospels weren't originally named isn't a matter of sources, it's a fact. It's interesting that you mention prophesy (well, it is theoretical subject of the thread, but...), because that's one way that Mark is dated; if you're a secular scholar, and don't believe that Jesus could foretell the future, then Mark must have been written around 70CE, when the destruction of the Second Temple was immanent or had already happened.

I doubt that the prophosy in Daniel was changed, because Jesus actually mentions it in Mark's little apocalypse; that the desolation foretold by Daniel would soon come to pass. So it pretty much had to have been widely known before Mark, and I assume before Jesus, although as always, I could be wrong. In fact, I think the OT in general didn't change very much, because of the strong scribal tradition in Judaism (I have heard the theory that Daniel is a late forgery, around 3BC, and the prophesy refers to Epiphanies, but I'm not sure how much real support there is for that). I'm much more conversant with the NT then the Old, though.

One of those books on that thread is by John Ankerberg......I used to watch him.......He is kinda like Bible conspiracy theory.........lol

Though if the Messiah did fulfill all the OT prophecies, then why don't the Jews accept him? They are still waiting. Jesus was not these things. The Roman Catholic church made him these things.

They were so concerned with keeping up appearances by observing the Law that they were blinded by their hypocrisy.

Again, not the point of this thread.

Jesus the Christ: The Fulfillment of Prophecy

No other religious writings in the world do we find specific prophecies like we find in the Scripture. You will find no predictive prophecies whatsoever in the writings of Buddha, Confucious, Mohammed, Lao-Tse, or Hinduism. Yet in the Scripture there are well over two thousand prophecies, most of which have already been fulfilled.

They are so specific in nature taht they burn all bridges behind them. If they are not fulfilled, it leaves no room for excuse. How can this be explained? Of all the attacks that have ever been upon the Scripture, there has never been one book written by a skeptic to disprove the prophecies of the Scripture. Though the Bible has been attacked at every other place, the one place where God rests His inspiration in that the things He fortells come infallibly to pass.

"Those who hate me without cause are more numerous than the hairs of my head" (Ps. 69:4).

"The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers conspire together against the LORD and His Anointed One" (Ps. 2:2).

"Even my friend in whom I trusted, one who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me" (Ps. 41:9).

"Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered" (Zch. 13:7).

"The I said to them, 'If it seems right to you, give me your wages; but if not, keep them.' So they weighed my wages, 30 pieces of silver. 'Throw it to the potter,' the LORD said to me--this magnificent price I was valued by them. So I took the 30 pieces of silver and threw it into the house of the LORD, to the potter" (Zch. 11:12-13).

"They are striking the judge of Israel on the cheek with a rod" (Mc. 5:1)

"I gave My back to those who beat Me, and My cheeks to those who tore out My beard. I did not hide My face from scorn and spitting" (Is. 50:60).

"They pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:16).

"My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1).

"Everyone who sees me mocks me; they sneer and shake their heads: 'He replies on the LORD; let Him rescue him; let the LORD deliver him, since He takes pleasure in him'" (Ps. 22:7-8).

"They gave me gall for my food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21).

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are disjointed; my heart is like wax, melting within me" (Ps. 22:14).

"Yet He Himself bore our sickness, and He carried our pains; but we in turn regarded Him stricken down by God, and afflicted" (Is. 53:4).

"He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. Like a lamb led to the slaughter and like a sheep silent before her shearers, He did not open His mouth" (Is. 53:7).

"They divided my garments among themselves, and they case lots for my clothing" (Ps. 22:18).

"He submitted Himself to death" (Is. 53:12).

"He bore the sin of many and interceded for the rebels" (Is. 53:12).

"You may not break any of its bones" (Ex. 12:46).

"He protects all his bones; not one of them is broken" (Ps. 34:20).

"The look at Me whom they pierced" (Zch. 12:10).

"They made His grave with the wicked, and with a rich man at His death, although He had done no violence and had not spoken deceitfully" (Is. 53:9).

"For You will not abandon me to Sheol; You will not allow Your Faithful One to see the Pit" (Ps. 16:10).

"You ascended to the heights, taking away captives; You received gifts from people, even from the rebellious, so that the LORD God might live there" (Ps. 68:18).

"The LORD declared to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies Your footstool" (Ps. 110:1).

The Bible prophecies are altogether unexpected! I know of no one ever prophesying that any other human being would rise from the dead and ascend into heaven. That is exceedingly improbable. The chance of it happening by coincidence is incalculable. No, the Bible is not merely a book written by men; it is a book written by God through men, and the heart of its prophetic message is Jesus the Christ.

No one can ever know the future. What you call a Prophecy is really a product of careful manipulation, translation and hind sight.

Shakyamunison-

Everyone with an opinion can share it; but producing evidence to validate their opinion is something--more often than not--is neglected. The examples of Scripture are not out of context, and they are certainly in their original form; the Dead Sea scrolls verify this. We are literally forced to conclude: (1) wow... what an amazing coincedence or (2) there is something oddly interesting about the Scripture. Perhaps it is true prophetic revelation from God? Please elaborate.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Shakyamunison-

Everyone with an opinion can share it; but producing evidence to validate their opinion is something--more often than not--is neglected. The examples of Scripture are not out of context, and they are certainly in their original form; the Dead Sea scrolls verify this. Please elaborate.

I am not making an extraordinary claim. The future does not exist until now, and then it's not the future anymore.

If I got together enough people and spent enough time scouring ancient obscure documents, I could come up with all kinds of "Prophecies" that have been fulfilled in the past.

It all boils down to wishfull thinking.

Provide an example using Scipture that I presented. Make your case.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Provide an example using Scipture that I presented. Make your case.

Why would I use Scripture? 🙄 The bible is just a book. That would be like me using Gone With the Wind to prove some point having to do with physics.

Scripture deals with future revelation of history; and it has come to pass. Hence the reason why man is able to determine that it is--indeed--prophecy, or at least--to be minimalistic about it--able to conclude that Scripture does indeed contain much circumstantial evidence (whether right or wrong). Would you at least agree to my last point?