You got it, MORE:
Jamie Braddock Warped the White Hot Room ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉 like child's play.
This is the WHR
Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room, then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room
He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain
Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉
Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object.
pointandlaugh White Hot Room
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Mankind is that which the abstracts are actually replaced with. Mankind on its own would NOT evolve to this point without the Phoenix Forces intervention in reality.
Bull. Provide the scan where Stranger uses Phoenix Force to evolve the 5 keys. Where? There isn't any because your b.s.ing the story as you as wells do. Phoenix wasn't the power Stranger will use. Typical of you, I asked you for scans of the event and all you do is post scans give statements that does not even exist.
The point is flat out stated on panel so there is no disregarding the Phoenixes central role in the process, as also indicated by Eternity positioning the Force as the central and most prominent figure when visualizing the process and the Strangers misguided plans.
Show me the scan where scan says he'll use the Phoenix Force to evolve them into abstract. There ISN'T any.
Already have done son.Death says Jeans choosing of the Phoenix paves the road for the advancement:
Death confirmed what Prosh and Stranger said. Jean is the touchstone, merely a template because she was the only one who reached cosmic hood. Don't believe me? Let's Ask a few people.
Death, is Phoenix the Force the abstracts feared? Or was it Jean and MANKIND'S YEARNING TO GROW and her choice of the Phoenix?
😱 LOL. Phoenix isn't what the abstracts feared. It's mankind's yearning to grow and Jean choice to choose Phoenix merely paves a road.
Prosh echoes these sentiments, saying that if Jean never chose the Phoenix then the process would not occur. The abstracts would not be “stung by human evolution”
LOL. If Jean never chooses the Phoenix Force, then there wouldn't be a template/touchstone for mankind now would there? Jean is merely a template for mankind to reach cosmic hood because she's touched it (Death)...been on their level (Prosh)...kissed by the fundemental forces of the universe (Stranger).
Prosh? Who determined the course of human evolution? Was it the PF?
NOPE!
Eternity? Who seeded creation with the potential to reach abstract level? Was it the Phoenix Force?
Eternity? Who's plan was it to create mankind to evolve and replace you along with the other abstracts? Was it Jean or Phoenix?
NOPE!
😆 The abstracts created mankind. Their servants the Celestials seeded creation with potential and steered mankinds evolution. Phoenix doesn't do a thing.
The Stranger marks out the Force as the beginning and end:He also echoes Death and Proshs sentiments showing a Phoenix engulfed D.N.A chain, morphing into Eternity.
😆 He merely shows her what mankind becomes. Jean didn't even have the Phoenix and neither does the Stranger. It was projects to explain things to Jean.
Stranger? Is mankind the beginning and the end?
YES!
Stranger? Why aren't you talking to Juggernaut? Are you talking to Jean because she's the only key to experienced cosmic hood?
YES! OMG, YES!
Is Jean the touchstone? Bobby the potential?
OMG! YES!
Stranger? What's more important to your plan? Phoenix or the five keys?
LOL.
That's a summary the Stranger's plan. Where does it say Phoenix was going to be used to evolve the keys? It doesn't even mention the Phoenix...because Phoenix ISN'T part of it.
Jean is important BECAUSE SHE experienced cosmic hood. She's Stranger's touchstone/template, not that she had the Phoenix...cause she never did (other that projections by Stranger and Eternity).
Narrator? Is Phoenix mentioned in the last page of X-Men Forever?
NOPE!
LOL. Eternity is having the last laugh.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
One of the reasons behind your underrating of the Force is because of your lack of understanding of it. The Phoenix Force is a Consciousness from within the White Hot Room and the ambient life energy of reality. A shard of the Phoenix Force is still referred to as the Phoenix Force. Just like a duplicate of Multiple Mans is still multiple Man. The firebird you usually see flying around isnt the sum total of the Phoenix Force, it is a celestial avatar as stated on panel. The Force is the ambient energy of life and that fire bird is a manifestation of it, just like Eternitys black humanoid figure isnt the totality of the universe but instead a representation of it. If that bird was the sum total of the force in one spot then there would be no life anywhere else!! In the Ultraverse crossover it was stated that that Bird was depowered as it was away from its native reality that it draws its power from. Hence its low showings. The fire bird is an avatar that draws on the ambient life energy of its native reality
😆 Avatar? Just wow man. And what does that page prove? All that proves is that beings from Marvel are weakened in the Ultraverse.
It doesn't say anything about avatars. Don't talk. Give scans with exact lines saying that bird is just an avatar of Phoenix. So when it suits you, it's the real deal, otherwise it's just an avatar.
And by now, your essays mean nothing anymore. Let the scans speak for themselves G.S. Your interpretations have nothing to do with the scans, often exaggerations of the events from the scans. Is this how you justify as the "Smart Alec Know It All"? ..by being full of it?
And it's not just me or Mr Masters. Over at Superherochat and Comicbookresources, they're laughing at you and your so called proof.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
😆 Avatar? Just wow man. And what does that page prove? All that proves is that beings from Marvel are weakened in the Ultraverse.It doesn't say anything about avatars. Don't talk. Give scans with exact lines saying that bird is just an avatar of Phoenix. So when it suits you, it's the real deal, otherwise it's just an avatar.
And by now, your essays mean nothing anymore. Let the scans speak for themselves G.S. Your interpretations have nothing to do with the scans, often exaggerations of the events from the scans. Is this how you justify as the "Smart Alec Know It All"? ..by being full of it?
And it's not just me or Mr Masters. Over at Superherochat and Comicbookresources, they're laughing at you and your so called proof.
Someone just got a good bottom
Originally posted by GalacticStormI dispute this line of thinking, son...the concept of canon does apply to LT.
Canon is irrelevant when dealing with LT because LT is unique in the multiverse, there is only one LT, so........The MBody he used in that reality got effed up and it counts. 🙁
For example, suppose Squirrel Girl defeats and destroys LT in the next ridiculous story that features her...are you really going to count that as canon, (and seriously overrate SG at the same time), because LT is 'unique'? If you had any sense, you'd chuckle, and then ignore it. She beat down Thanos last year, but I don't think anyone aside from Thanos-haters regard that showing as anything even remotely resembling continuity. Even though there was a Watcher present. We just laugh it off and ignore it.
Certain comicbooks are written as parodies, or jokes, or just exploratory ventures by fanboy writers to have a little fun with their favourite charcters, (ie. What Ifs). Your problem is you take the concept of 'universe' too seriousy and way too literally. Not everything has to be in a universe...and even if it is, then common sense should apply, (ie. there's way more to LT's power than the 'ultimate judgment' he dished out against Korvac, and you know it).
Posting old 80’s/early 90’s scans of Rachel being called the one true Phoenix when that has conclusively been shown not to be the case on many an occasion in the ten years since your evidence was published is again a waste of time. That’s like me posting scans of when the Watcher said Galactus was the most powerful being in reality and trying to present those scans as evidence of Galactus’ current status in continuity.
Rachel Summers is by canon the host with limited access to the Force, the point is stated on panel and in bios and Jean is regarded as the top Phoenix. Using examples of weaker avatars as evidence for the capacity of Jean as Phoenix is again very illogical and helps you not.
The Phoenix Force is many things, it is a Consciousness in the white hot room, it is the ambient life energy of reality and it is the fire bird we see fluttering around the universe. The firebird is NOT the sum totality of the Phoenix Force, however that does not stop it from being the Phoenix Force in name and nature. Therefore posting scans of the Firebird getting restrained and trying to say those scans are representative of the capacity of the Phoenix Force entire, when it has been stated on panel that this is not the Phoenix Force in totality and it is comparatively underpowered is again very very illogical. I sense a trend.
The Firebird is a celestial avatar. It is a manifestation of the life force of a given reality that is the Phoenix Force. It taps into the ambient energies of a reality. It is not the sum total of the Phoenix Force, however that doesn’t stop it from being the Phoenix Force:
The firebird is a manifestation of the life force of reality. It is an avatar it taps into these energies.
The Phoenix AVATAR projected the tower
Necrom tore out the Force that bonded his student to the AVATAR
The cosmic AVATAR she hosts:
The Phoenix featured in that Ultraforce crossover was this same familiar firebird, an avatar of the Force. Away from the universe from which it draws its power from it was considerably weaker:
Just to further illustrate my point, the Phoenix at a universal level is ambient life energy, it is mutable and can transform it anything it pleases. A shard of this energy whilst not being the full Phoenix Force in power doesn’t stop that shard from being the Force in name and nature. Here you see the Force splitting in two demonstrating my point.
The firebird isn’t the sum total of the Force, merely a manifestation of the ambient life energy that is the Force. This firebird itself draws on this ambient life energy to take form.
As for your scans about Jean getting killed by that alien weapon, how does that help your case when it clearly states that she CHOSE to end her life. Its not like she’d regained her powers and then someone killed her against her will.
In support of that here a snippet from the actual comic as opposed to the summary from another title that you’ve posted:
Jean scared that her evil side would take over and destroy everything, made herself vulnerable, before initiating the laser to destroy her physical form. How does that help your case?
The Onslaught scans are just an astral image. Jean was Phoenix only in name at the time. You know that. This is yet another example of you very selectively presenting scans and then misrepresenting them to aid your argument. Hypocrite.
Jean has fought heralds and shrugged off their blasts and she has done the same with Galactus, as have other Phoenixes. We were told in New X-men 128 that Jean was going to die and that there was purpose behind it. We were told she had a disinfection to perform and in the issue of her death we were told she wasn’t allowed to be around much longer. Jean was then killed and she was shown to be reborn into the future where she subsequently performed her foretold cosmic disinfection. If Jean didn’t want to die, if there wasn’t purpose behind it then she wouldn’t have.
As for your Phoenix and Galactus scans from a What If (V2 #27 What If Phoenix hadn’t died?) that I rather handily have in my possession. Jean had been through a psychic lobotomy. In this reality instead of killing herself like she did at the end of the DP Saga she had all of the psychic parts of her brain removed.
Uninterested Phoenix went on to destroy his machinery. A defeated Galactus CLAIMED that if he stayed he could eventually win, but that the effort involved wasn’t worth it. He then retreated. Given that Phoenix was operating under considerably reduced power levels and yet she still evidently dominated the battle there was nothing to prove that that was nothing but losers talk.
