Jean went on to destroy, the X-men, the Earth and eventually she consumed that entire reality. At which point Galactus and all within became non factors.
So much for his claims and so much for your tainted portrayal of what actually happened in that issue. Once again. HYPOCRITE.
I like how you’ve had to hand an issue where Phoenix has destroyed a universe and yet you quietly kept that to yourself you’ve carried on claiming that nowhere has Phoenix on panel destroyed a universe. You’re not here to debate and uncover the truth, you debate to get everyone to subscribe to your biased OPINION.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You got it, MORE:Jamie Braddock Warped the White Hot Room ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉 like child's play.
This is the WHR
Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room, then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room
He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain
Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉
Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object.
pointandlaugh White Hot Room
Dang. Phoenix fanboy got pwnt.
Just to summarize. The Phoenix Force is many things. It is a Consciousness in the WHR that empowers avatars across the multiverse. At a universal level it is the life force of reality, the sum and substance of all that lives.
At a universal level the Phoenix Force can manifest within reality as a firebird, however this obviously is not the totality of the Phoenix Force, otherwise if by canon the Force is the sum and substance of life then there would be no life anywhere else. As stated on panel this firebird is a celestial avatar, a manifestation of the life force of reality within reality, not its sum.
Manifesting in this form and taking on a Consciousness causes the Force to absorb back the ambient life energy of the universe, shortening its life cycle(as detailed by Galactus in Excalibur). The Force therefore chooses to manifest within hosts, or to take on the physical form of Jean Grey.
even though galacticstorm very blatantly revealed mr master's decieving ways over the last two pages, people will pigheadedly ignore it until it's too buried in this site to mean anything. which is kind of sad.
maybe someday the recent crop of anti-phoenix disciples will go back and realize that thinss aren't nearly so cut-and-dry as they believe, and that they are very guilty of what they accuse gs: disregarding other valid interpreations because you don't like them, for whatever reason.
get over it guys. if you've actually read the issues rather than see the selective mr master versions, phoenix COULD easily be as powerful as GS claims. notice the emphasis on could.
on topic, i don't really see why it's a low feat for phoenix that jim jaspers can come into her house and mess around. especially considering you have the guy as the most powerful being in the omniverse.
I admit that I beleive Pheonix Force is FAR more powerful than Mr. Master suggests...
Mr. Master and myself HAD this argument long ago....in the Onslaught VS Dark Pheonix Thread...
HOWEVER, it is MORE irrational on Galactic Storm's part to argue that Pheonix has ANY change against Thanos with IG, since IG is multiversal in power, this has BEEN PROVEN ALREADY......
Thanos with IG wins....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I admit that I beleive Pheonix Force is FAR more powerful than Mr. Master suggests...Mr. Master and myself HAD this argument long ago....in the Onslaught VS Dark Pheonix Thread...
HOWEVER, it is MORE irrational on Galactic Storm's part to argue that Pheonix has ANY change against Thanos with IG, since IG is multiversal in power, this has BEEN PROVEN ALREADY......
Thanos with IG wins....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I admit that I beleive Pheonix Force is FAR more powerful than Mr. Master suggests...Mr. Master and myself HAD this argument long ago....in the Onslaught VS Dark Pheonix Thread...
HOWEVER, it is MORE irrational on Galactic Storm's part to argue that Pheonix has ANY change against Thanos with IG, since IG is multiversal in power, this has BEEN PROVEN ALREADY......
Thanos with IG wins....
Hasnt at all. I looked into Mr Masters claims. His evidence under close scrutiny fell apart.
Magus never manipulated two universes at once, he PLANNED TO before his plans could be exacted however, he got stomped by Eternity 😂
As for you WWK. You’ve completely missed the point.
As stated by the Stranger, the Phoenix is the beginning and the end of the cycle in the natural scheme of things.
Eternity later supporting part of the Strangers words by saying the Phoenix is that which begins the cycle.
The five mutants are the method through which the Stranger was going to catalyse the evolutionary process and cause it to run out of control, however was it not for the Phoenix Force, the Strangers plans would not have been viable. As stated “the fundamental forces would NOT be stung by the mosquito that is human evolution” if the Phoenix Force had not involved itself with reality.
With all that in mind highlighting how Stranger was going to bring an end to the universe through evolution and not directly through the Phoenix doesn’t hurt my argument in the slightest, when it’s quite apparent that the process couldn’t be achieved without the Phoenix in the first place. One thing you seem to be forgetting also is that the Strangers plans were JUST THAT. What isn’t theoretical is Phoenixes position as the power behind the Big Bang and as such a greater power than all that is created by the Big Bang.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
In a garbage X-Men comic. 😐 Yet the PF has never done anything beforehand to show that it has that much power.
Beforehand the Phoenix has contained a multiversal power, its manifestations in other universes have consumed reality. By merely taking on a consciousness in reality it started absorbing the lifeforce of reality back into itself, shortening the lifespan of the universe. Beforehand its spanked Galactus in multiple realities.
The Phoenix has always been presented as a top tier cosmic power. Bad showings by avatars under specific conditions doesnt change the Force in its totality's status. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for you WWK. You’ve completely missed the point.As stated by the Stranger, the Phoenix is the beginning and the end of the cycle in the natural scheme of things.
Eternity later supporting part of the Strangers words by saying the Phoenix is that which begins the cycle.
The five mutants are the method through which the Stranger was going to catalyse the evolutionary process and cause it to run out of control, however was it not for the Phoenix Force, the Strangers plans would not have been viable. As stated “the fundamental forces would NOT be stung by the mosquito that is human evolution” if the Phoenix Force had not involved itself with reality.
With all that in mind highlighting how Stranger was going to bring an end to the universe through evolution and not directly through the Phoenix doesn’t hurt my argument in the slightest, when it’s quite apparent that the process couldn’t be achieved without the Phoenix in the first place. One thing you seem to be forgetting also is that the Strangers plans were JUST THAT. What isn’t theoretical is Phoenixes position as the power behind the Big Bang and as such a greater power than all that is created by the Big Bang.
GRRRRAAAAAAGH!
Why won't this thread DIE?!?!
Wow, GS, you're back.
And too celibrate, you showed great skill in making meaningless scans into an argument so effectivly that people actualy thought they constituted an argument for Phoenix>IG.
To be fair though, Mr.M Isn't any better, posting pages and pages of crap in order to boost his cred.
But GS, you have to realize that almost every scan you post is meaningless, since not one of them shows Phoenix with anything close to IG level. You have TWO arguments that help your case, and only two.
One based on Here comes tommorow, the other on those Abstracts bowing to Jean.
That's IT. Focus on those, and then this debate can be shifted to things that are actualy RELEVANT! And then, THEN, I'll try to counter your stuff. Kay? KAY?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beforehand the Phoenix has contained a multiversal power, its manifestations in other universes have consumed reality. By merely taking on a consciousness in reality it started absorbing the lifeforce of reality back into itself, shortening the lifespan of the universe. Beforehand its spanked Galactus in multiple realities.The Phoenix has always been presented as a top tier cosmic power. Bad showings by avatars under specific conditions doesnt change the Force in its totality's status. 🙂
Yeah, It's alllways an avatar. Darkseid didn't really get spanked by Superman and a street thug. It was just an avatar! 😄
Nobody is buying it. Please stop selling it.
