Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, It's alllways an avatar. Darkseid didn't really get spanked by Superman and a street thug. It was just an avatar! 😄

Nobody is buying it. Please stop selling it.

are you sure you know what avatar means? that't not something GS is "selling", it's a literal application of the word avatar: the force metes it's power through avatars, some of whom are more powerful than others.

the darkseid and thanos thing may smell like bologna, but it's canon, it's continuity, and there's really no way to argue it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean went on to destroy, the X-men, the Earth and eventually she consumed that entire reality. At which point Galactus and all within became non factors.

So much for his claims and so much for your tainted portrayal of what actually happened in that issue. Once again. HYPOCRITE.

I like how you’ve had to hand an issue where Phoenix has destroyed a universe and yet you quietly kept that to yourself you’ve carried on claiming that nowhere has Phoenix on panel destroyed a universe. You’re not here to debate and uncover the truth, you debate to get everyone to subscribe to your biased OPINION.

That's a WHAT IF.

An Alternate Reality, NOT 616.

And Jean didn't do jack, Jean was engulfed and destroyed by the Phoenix Force.

Nice try pino.

AND since it was the Phoenix Force, it's inconsequential since:

In it's Natural State the Phoenix is UNAWARE of it's Own Existence

The Phoenix Force has NO CONSCIOUSNESS in it's Natural State

In VERSUS thread, the Phoenix Force is MEANINGLESS!

SInce it's UNAWARE and UNCONSCIOUS in it's NATURAL STATE!

AHH Ha,

home boy was incognito hard at work trying to raise the Phoenix a notch,

only to have his dreams FLUSHED! 😆

Originally posted by manorastroman
even though galacticstorm very blatantly revealed mr master's decieving ways over the last two pages, people will pigheadedly ignore it until it's too buried in this site to mean anything. which is kind of sad.

"decieving ways"

What was proven?

Did you read the scans or the issues, or has your day finally arrived where you can try and topple your king?

Originally posted by manorastroman
maybe someday the recent crop of anti-phoenix disciples will go back and realize that thinss aren't nearly so cut-and-dry as they believe, and that they are very guilty of what they accuse gs: disregarding other valid interpreations because you don't like them, for whatever reason.

get over it guys. if you've actually read the issues rather than see the selective mr master versions, phoenix COULD easily be as powerful as GS claims. notice the emphasis on could.

Your telling us everything but your showing us NOTHING!

Originally posted by manorastroman
on topic, i don't really see why it's a low feat for phoenix that jim jaspers can come into her house and mess around. especially considering you have the guy as the most powerful being in the omniverse.

The Phoenix Force CAN NOT be used in a VERSUS thread!

Only it's most powerful Avatar, namely the White Phoenix of the Crown (Jean Grey)

So WHEN has Phoenix EVER destroyed, remade or created a UNIVERSE?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You forgot that the Phoenix Force is also Multiversal and even the Living Tribunal has bown before her. 😖hifty:

Yea,

HOWS THIS FOR DECEPTIONS MANORASTROMAN!

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

He even threw in an extra close up

You CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.

It was this fallacy that got that rumor started. (wonder by who?)

On the Scan that never existed....

let me break it down for you.

Scan 1:

Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....

Already proved this many times over... the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which recycles it (a self perpetuating process)

Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.

Scan 2:

Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."

NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)

"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...

Ok, I'm sure you see now that the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do... what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.

(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...

because one day WE (Humans), will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...

they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."

How does he PLAN to do that?....

AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.

But I think not.

Scan 3 & 4:

The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now... to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.

More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...

NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"

notworthy------------------>nono

KNOW the FACTS before opening your mouth!

Originally posted by manorastroman
many have tried to downplay the m'kraan feat, some by claiming that jean needed the x-men to do it ( 🙄 ) and some by claiming that the crystal is much less impressive than it really is.

Nice retconned Scan.

When Jean grey and the REST of ALL the X-Men including Corsair repaired the Network of interlocking Stasis Fields that NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy,

it was a Universal threat ONLY if the Neutron Galaxy was released.

If the LATTICE were to breakdown, the Neutron Galaxy will SUCK in the Universe AND PHOENIX

SO Jean got LUCKY that the X-Men were there to HELP her in time, otherwise she would have been absorbed.

Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy

AHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!

READ COMICS Duke...

Originally posted by King Kandy
To be fair though, Mr.M Isn't any better, posting pages and pages of crap in order to boost his cred.

And what have you posted?

Who you think you are talking this rubbish.

When posting a load of shit is synonymous with your name.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But GS, you have to realize that almost every scan you post is meaningless, since not one of them shows Phoenix with anything close to IG level. You have TWO arguments that help your case, and only two.

One based on Here comes tommorow, the other on those Abstracts bowing to Jean.

This proves your knowledge on the matter.

Look above and be silent...

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yeah, It's alllways an avatar. Darkseid didn't really get spanked by Superman and a street thug. It was just an avatar! 😄

Nobody is buying it. Please stop selling it.

✅

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix AVATAR projected the tower

VIA the Interface Alignment,

nice try, you may fool the innocents like Mano but uhh, the rest are more aware to who you are.

This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture: (you know, the SCAN HE LEFT OUT)

It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged... to Create an Energy Matrix."

The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN... and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...

AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",

a less than monumental feat... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....

Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse BECAUSE of the INTERFACE ALIGNMENT!

Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hasnt at all. I looked into Mr Masters claims. His evidence under close scrutiny fell apart.

Magus never manipulated two universes at once, he PLANNED TO before his plans could be exacted however, he got stomped by Eternity 😂

Magus manipulated two universes ? i didn't know that...

No Handsome, I was referring to how Magus stopped the Ultamate Nullifier with an Incomplete IG...Ultamate Nullifier has the power to destroy many many universes. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hasnt at all. I looked into Mr Masters claims. His evidence under close scrutiny fell apart.

Magus never manipulated two universes at once, he PLANNED TO before his plans could be exacted however, he got stomped by Eternity

Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.

More PROOF:

Immediately after Magus MERGES the TWO UNIVERSES:

Dr Strange says,

"We have FAILED, the Magus has WON this Round"

Xavier says,

"Already I feel it METAMORPHOSING into something Unrecognizable"

Galactus says,

"Energy Levels Up in the target Dimension, ALTERATIONS in MY OWN REALITY"

And WHEN its over,

Moondragon solidifies the FACT, that it was a UNIVERSAL WARP

"But this time he wasn't able to UNIVERSALLY Wipe Away the memory of what has OCCURRED"

SCRUTINIZE that BIATCH!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
And what have you posted?

Who you think you are talking this rubbish.

When posting a load of shit is synonymous with your name.

Make up your mind. Either I "Show Promise" and "Have Shown skill", or "posting a load of shit is synonymous" with my name.

It can't be both.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This proves your knowledge on the matter.

Look above and be silent...

I'd never, EVER, seen that claim refuted before, and had no reason to suspect it.

But that was just ignorance on my part, posted BEFORE you refuted it.

masters your begining to make a hobby of pawnin/ownin/spankin the day lights out of this galactic storm person i thought he had you for a second then i saw it was all the same business as usual
well done mm 😮‍💨

Is this thread serious? Thanos owns Jean so bad that even Emma Frost would feel sorry.

Jean is the Phoenix in human form. In those scans the Phoenix never destroyed her you buffoon lol, Jean IS the Phoenix lol. The Phoenix engulfed her i.e the dark side of her power took over, it consumed her. The same occurrence is referred to many a time during the DP Saga and is used frequently across Phoenix appearances.

The Phoenix is a power that among other things embodies emotion and passion, its avatars must maintain strict control of their emotions or they lose control, hence Dark Phoenix in 616 and Dark Phoenix in that What If.

As for your point about the Phoenix Forces natural state:

a) That is only the universal manifestation being referred to, we have before that account (Classic X-men) and after that account (New X-men) seen references to a Force that simultaneously exists and operates outside of reality as well. To sum it up not the totality of the Force being talked about.

b) The Force isn’t limited to that natural state. It can and has as we’ve seen on panel acted independently of a human avatar and manifested as the Firebird to perform functions, therefore your point about the Force itself being exempt from versus matches is void.

Also, during that What If it was the avatar through which the Force was manifesting its power, the avatar IS the Force personified and through said avatar the universes was destroyed on panel.

As for your X-men forever comments, (or should I say WWK’s cos that certainly didn’t originate from you son.)

We are on these forums to debate and learn from each other, as such over time opinions on subjects change after hearing out the opinions of others and reading new material. Acknowledge that.

You are quoting from posts I participated in over year ago and trying to present those comments as representative of my stance on the matter now. It is NOT. Since that thread I have debated about the subject many a time and my view on the matter has been different. Stop trying to detract away from the fact that your fallacy has been clearly highlighted by me. You had at hand instances showing Phoenix consuming a reality and yet you chose to keep that to yourself whilst still trying to discredit Phoenix on the forums saying that despite its feats as it hasn’t destroyed a universe on panel it can’t. You’re ridiculously lame.

The Stranger found out that during the creation cycle, a race would evolve that would supplant the abstracts roles in the new reality and that this process would bring about the end of reality. This race as revealed was humanity, more specifically mutants.

The Stranger planned to use mutants to subvert and jumpstart this evolutionary process at an exponentially increased rate and as a result cause the destruction of universe and leave him without competition and the sole survivor of a new universe that the Phoenix would birth in its role as the Resurrection Force.

What the Stranger didn’t realize however was that Eternity and the other abstracts were long aware of this process and that they had in fact encouraged it as it was a part of the natural order, with Eternity having the Celestials seed races around the universe with the potential to be this end determining race, however they were against the Stranger perverting it to his own ends and so asked the five mutants to stop him.

What you are failing to realize is that the Strangers plans were JUST PLANS. It’s irrelevant that his plans didn’t involve the Phoenix. The Phoenix had already played its role; it enabled the Strangers plans to be viable in the first place.

In the NATURAL SCHEME OF THINGS, i.e. what ACTUALLY happens during the creation cycle is that Phoenix is the end and the beginning of the cycle.

As stated in X-men Forever.

In Uncanny X-men:

As stated in alternate realities:

It is the Big Bang that births reality and therefore the power that fuels the universe, its very life force:

The sum and substance of all that lives by canon and therefore the power behind all of life’s processes such as evolution, X-men Forever’s fundamental theme and the thing that the Strangers plans revolved around, the thing he was hoping to use in order to destroy the abstracts and the universe. Phoenixes connection with evolution is canon, with it having its avatars manifest to perpetuate this process, to “burn away what doesn’t work” and to eradicate evolutionary dead ends whilst it itself is the life force of reality.

With all that in mind, your attempts to discredit are really quite rubbish.