Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Who? G.S. or the Phoenix Force?I thought Logan was the only plot device Marvel authorized. I didn't relized these two were as well. Was this officially stated by Marvel?
ya know i've learned some thing by reading these posts they are intriguing but my problem lies here alot of posters have the nasty little habit of calling individual posters fayboy's (screw you guys that think that) because who in tha hell gives yall the right to call names, make assumptions,and take personally shots at other posters because they don't have the same views as you on your OPINIONS. now back to the post when has the IG ever showed feats that that proved it to be multiversal (THAT'S RIGHT IT HASN'T) has it been stated or shown i don't think so but it has been stated that the IG gives its wearer power over one ASPECT of the UNIVERSE that's not even a universal artifact. while the phoenix of the white crown feats and power far triumphs over the IG believe it or dont the fact still remains that thanos w/or without the gaunlet is no match for the power she wields she has a connection to a limitless amount of power only limited by her OWN will and imagination. and even the LT didn't consider the IG to be even a threat to the universal balance as stated
Originally posted by DARK ORIKYXActually I think your right check out his feat of Phoenix it easily trumps any feat of the Infinity Gauntlet.
ya know i've learned some thing by reading these posts they are intriguing but my problem lies here alot of posters have the nasty little habit of calling individual posters fayboy's (screw you guys that think that) because who in tha hell gives yall the right to call names, make assumptions,and take personally shots at other posters because they don't have the same views as you on your OPINIONS. now back to the post when has the IG ever showed feats that that proved it to be multiversal (THAT'S RIGHT IT HASN'T) has it been stated or shown i don't think so but it has been stated that the IG gives its wearer power over one ASPECT of the UNIVERSE that's not even a universal artifact. while the phoenix of the white crown feats and power far triumphs over the IG believe it or dont the fact still remains that thanos w/or without the gaunlet is no match for the power she wields she has a connection to a limitless amount of power only limited by her OWN will and imagination. and even the LT didn't consider the IG to be even a threat to the universal balance as stated
Originally posted by DARK ORIKYX
ya know i've learned some thing by reading these posts they are intriguing but my problem lies here alot of posters have the nasty little habit of calling individual posters fayboy's (screw you guys that think that) because who in tha hell gives yall the right to call names, make assumptions,and take personally shots at other posters because they don't have the same views as you on your OPINIONS. now back to the post when has the IG ever showed feats that that proved it to be multiversal (THAT'S RIGHT IT HASN'T) has it been stated or shown i don't think so but it has been stated that the IG gives its wearer power over one ASPECT of the UNIVERSE that's not even a universal artifact. while the phoenix of the white crown feats and power far triumphs over the IG believe it or dont the fact still remains that thanos w/or without the gaunlet is no match for the power she wields she has a connection to a limitless amount of power only limited by her OWN will and imagination. and even the LT didn't consider the IG to be even a threat to the universal balance as stated
Who da f###n *beep* is this troll? Mider?
You haven't read Infinity Gauntlet series. Now go away.
You haven't read Infinity Wars. Husssh child and stop commenting.
Limitless power? Where haven't we heard this in comics? 🙄 Nice try but that parrot isn't the LT. Limitless? 😆
It's all powerful and GOD-like too ha? 😆
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Actually I think your right check out his feat of Phoenix it easily trumps any feat of the Infinity Gauntlet.
http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phoenixag17.jpg
😆 OMG I FELL FOR THAT ONE ~!
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Miss the point my a$$. Stop telling me what your wet dreams about the stories are. It is what it is. If you'd like to prove me wrong, then let the scans speak for themselves. And don't try anything under handed.Power behind the big bang means nadda.
If it ain't the Living Tribunal or above him, then let's not talk. Thanos turns the Force into a toilet and Jean into a toilet paper.
Just like many a Phoenix related issue we've debated in the past you missed the point behind X-men Forever and so needlessly went off on a tangent wasting your time.
The replacement process is a NATURAL process that the abstracts play a part in. Eternity and the Celestials plant the seeds, whilst the Phoenix is the sun and water to perpetuate said process. Hence the various comments and visualizations from Stranger and Eternity pertaining to the Phoenix being that which both begins and ends the universe and how the process wouldnt occur without Phoenix.
The Strangers plans were just that. PLANS. He HOPED to use those five beings to catalyse the process and spin it out of control to suit his own purposes. His plans never came to fruition. Mistaking my agenda and completely missing the point you harped on about how the Phoenix didnt feature directly in Strangers plans which was besides the point and didnt affect my argument in the slightest. 😬
In the natural scheme i.e. what ACTUALLY happens is that at a universal level the Force is reborn as the Big Bang which begins the cycle, the Force aids evolution to further the process and as a result brings about the end of the cycle.
That will be all. 🙂
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He was merging them.
He attempted to merge them, before his plans were realised, BEFORE we were shown if he COULD even have achieved the feat, he got stomped by Eternity/Infinity.
I loved how Mr Master and yourselves tried to claim those scans of a visualization of said feat were the feat actually occurring, only for myself to point out just how and why that couldnt possibly be the case going by later on panel comments from characters waiting for said event to occur. 😂
No need for apologies, i understand humility is beyond you. 🙂
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And correction, he lost to Eternity and Infinity. And the Gauntlet was still incomplete.
Irrelevant when a complete IG hasnt pulled off a superior feat to Phoenixes top ones.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Courtesy of Mr. Master. The Force getting owned by a starship.Sing birdy, sing. serenade
Note: Don't even try it. It's not a version of the Force. It's the Force itself. If you disagree, post scans FROM THIS BOOK proving your case. You can't. Cause it's the Force getting owned, then later owned by the X-Men and Ultra Force.
A fragment of the Phoenix Force is still the Phoenix Force in name my friend. That firebird is NOT the Force in its totality, but instead an avatar of the Force as stated on panel many a time as i have shown quite sufficiently in this thread. An avatar that was considerably weakened due to it not being within the universe from which it was a derivative of.
If the Force manifested in its totality in that bird-like form then there would be nothing but a void elsewhere as it is life incarnate.
Once again, ill informed opinion does not a good argument make.
Back to the drawing board------->
Ciao 😱
Originally posted by King Kandy
Jean may have casualy put Eternity on his deathbed by amputating the future...But Thanos did the same thing after a couple seconds of battle.
You're forgetting to make the distinction between the universe and its representation which is Eternity. Eternity is an MBody of the universe. It is how the universe appears within itself to communicate or deal with matter within its borders.
Thanos overpowered the Eternity MBody. Jean dealt with the very matter of the universe itself and manipulated it in its totality.
Once again for example, what is more impressive, a being who can lord it over all beings on Earth or a being who can breakdown the very matter of Earth, its energy, its beings and so on right down to their component parts and materialize it all INTACT in another location.
For Jean to have been able to manipulate all the matter and energy of the universe like that in the palm of her hand menas conclusively that she wields a greater power than that contained within said universe otherwise she wouldnt have been able to pull it off.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The M-Body has the same power as the whole. The actual concept meshes it's power with an Anthromorphic, and gains physical forms. No power is lost in the equation.Nice try, but the "It's only an M-Body" excuse gets around a tad to much.
According to who? 😕
The MBody is basically a rented body that Eternity bestows with a portion of his essence. Eternity cannot manifest within the universe in his totality because he is the universe. The Mbodies are not the totality of the concepts what they represent otherwise said concepts would not exist anywhere else.
WRONGO!
If you'd actualy SEEN the Quasar issue concerning M-Bodies, you'd know that it was never stated that a "Portion" of the essence is bestowed.
The M-Body IS Eternity. Never is Eternity shown as anything else. As an Abstract being, he can ONLY manifest as an M-Body, and the M-Body is his totality, not any weaker then the concept it emobied, since they are the same.
Originally posted by King Kandy
WRONGO!If you'd actualy SEEN the Quasar issue concerning M-Bodies, you'd know that it was never stated that a "Portion" of the essence is bestowed.
The M-Body IS Eternity. Never is Eternity shown as anything else. As an Abstract being, he can ONLY manifest as an M-Body, and the M-Body is his totality, not any weaker then the concept it emobied, since they are the same.
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were that the case when an m-body is destroyed, the universe would also be destroyed. i dedicated an entire thread to that point. there is a scan in that thread that shows the m-body LEAVING THE UNIVERSE. know what it left behind?
the universe. and though the universe ultimately imploded it was NOT destroyed -- it remained behind in a condensed form. when thanos assumed the role of eternity with the IG, it the eternity m-body was the 'entirety of the univserse' how was it that the m-body was IMPRISONED by thanos even as HE became the universe? on top of that, you are directly contradicting what it says in gs's scans -- eternity himself says he has been manifested in countless ways and he has used many many m-bodies in the past.
an eternity m-body is most definitely NOT the universe in its totality.
Originally posted by King Kandy
WRONGO!If you'd actualy SEEN the Quasar issue concerning M-Bodies, you'd know that it was never stated that a "Portion" of the essence is bestowed.
The M-Body IS Eternity. Never is Eternity shown as anything else. As an Abstract being, he can ONLY manifest as an M-Body, and the M-Body is his totality, not any weaker then the concept it emobied, since they are the same.
The MBody is a visualization, a representation of the concept utilising it. Nothing more. If the MBody was the totality then time wouldve been destroyed when this happened:
but as Eternity explains both there and here,
there is a difference between his totality (the ACTUAL universe) and the MBody. (its REPRESENTATION)
