Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Didnt LT die when the little PIS-girl killed the "M-body" and how could Thanos replace Eternity if he only killed a part of him ... I mean if that was the case Eternity would still live while Thanos was the new Eternity. - Just wierd ...

PIS-girl? What event are you referencing?

Thanos did NOT kill Eternity. He defeated him in battle , imprisoned him and then took his position.

Thanos replaced Eternitys role in the universe. As the Watcher clearly stated "Thanos replaced Eternitys importance with his own" Thanos just made himself the sentience of the universe in stead of Eternity. Thats why you see Eternitys Mbody. Surely if that Mbody was the totality of reality as MM claims then

a) that totality wouldnt be able to fight within a universe if it i sthe totality of the universe

b) When Thanos became the universe, said totality would have disappeared out of existence

The black figure is just a representation of the universe, thats all.

The universe can manifest its totality in that form, but then on panel you'd see everywhere else as a void.

Instances where that Mbody are WITHIN a universe, you know conclusively that that figure is NOT the totality of the universe. Just the totalitys MBody, its representation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well when we're debating current continuity you need to care about the retcon. That was my point 🙂

Regardless of the incarnation of the IG we're talking about unfortunately for your argument its feats dont match Phoenixes best. 😬

Yes they do, they surpass Pheonix's feats as I already proven in the other thread, as Mr. Master proved long ago. Please stop trolling GS, it's getting terribly annoying.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Leonidas the only thing is that GalacticStorm will insist that we only argue in terms of the current continuation of certain things, or a convienently selected retcon which would suit his favor.

Last time GalacticStorm and myself had an argument over the Infinity Gauntlet's power, GS simply disregarded everything I said, because I was using the classic IG, while he was referring to the so-called "retconned IG" which he argued was just a fraction of Eternity's being.

Therefore sagas such as the [b]Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, etc. were considered irrelevant to him. 🤨

So we went from arguing about IG vs Pheonix Force to arguing about whether or not I had the right to use the original Infinity Gauntlet in my debate..it was totally rediculous

GS is notorious for using loopholes and "technicalities" to suit the argument in his favor. [/B]

Whoa I'm confused. When/where was the power of the IG rectonned?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes they do, they surpass Pheonix's feats as I already proven in the other thread, as Mr. Master proved long ago. Please stop trolling GS, it's getting terribly annoying.

How so? Explain exactly how they do. Stop being so quick to accuse me of lying and trolling and just step back and think that you might not have explained your case as well as you think have. 😬

The IG's top feat is beating down on the abstracts. The Mbodies that represent concepts of the universe. The IG beat down facets of the universe.

Phoenix manipulated the matter and energy of the ACTUAL universe of which those abstracts are just representations/aspects of.

What is so hard to understand?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Whoa I'm confused. When/where was the power of the IG rectonned?

The IG's power is said to come from the Big Bang by Adam Warlock who being a gem wielder and former IG wielder is a reputable source. The handbooks took this as the official line and the points stated in them.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG's power is said to come from the Big Bang by Adam Warlock who being a gem wielder and former IG wielder is a reputable source. The handbooks took this as the official line and the points stated in them.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What issue did that happen in?

Ive already posted the scan. I'll do it again just for you. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanos replaced Eternitys role in the universe. As the Watcher clearly stated "Thanos replaced Eternitys importance with his own" Thanos just made himself the sentience of the universe in stead of Eternity.

What a crock of shit

Dude, do you ever stop with the fabrication of scans in order to try and sneak your misguided opinion?

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

Nice try Pino.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats why you see Eternitys Mbody. Surely if that Mbody was the totality of reality as MM claims then

a) that totality wouldnt be able to fight within a universe if it i sthe totality of the universe

b) When Thanos became the universe, said totality would have disappeared out of existence

a) Eternity places his FULL Power into his M-Body,

there is NO proof to say otherwise.

b) Why would Eternity's M-body disappear if it is made of Fractals?

"We have a SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP with the Abstract Beings, an EXCHANGE of ENERGIES that you physicals would not comprehend"

"SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP" .... "EXCHANGE of ENERGIES?"

They may serve as the M-bodys, but the Abstracts transfer their power to the FORM the Fractals produce.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The black figure is just a representation of the universe, thats all.

The universe can manifest its totality in that form, but then on panel you'd see everywhere else as a void.

Instances where that Mbody are WITHIN a universe, you know conclusively that that figure is NOT the totality of the universe. Just the totalitys MBody, its representation.

More BULL shit

Eternity's M-Body is the "Spirit/Consciousness" of the Universe:

"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"

"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"

When Gamora had to the find the Spirit/Consciousness of Eternity which was in a CATATONIC State:

HOW did Gamora manage to REACH Eternity's Consciousness hmm?

The Answer:

By ENTERING the M-BODY of Eternity.

HOW does Gamora manage to exit the Consciousness of Eternity hmm?

The Answer:

By EXITING the M-BODY of Eternity.

Eternity is the Universe, Eternity is Reality.

"Eternity"

"Once again I AM REALITY"

"In THIS UNIVERSE THAT IS I" [/B][/QUOTE]

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continues...

The M-Body of Eternity leaves the Universe it was and enters a parallel EMPTY Vacuum, which is called a Virgin Universe.

That SAME M-Body of Eternity CREATES a Universe by exploding it's M-Body as a BIG BANG (NO NEED for Phoenix btw)

"ALL matter was a single mass of Infinite density, which Exploded Outward from a central point"

"The coming of the Entity INTO this Virgin Universe, one previously as Blank and EMPTY as a true Vacuum, now causes Stars and the Stuff of Stars to be HURLED FROM IT"

When Eternity was CRUSHED by Insane Genis, the Universes was erased:

Gamora enters Eternity and end up INSIDE the actual UNIVERSE:

When Stakar and Aleta went in search of the "Scar of Eternity" which was LOCATED WITHIN the actual Universe:

They passed through it and where did they end up when they crossed to the other side of the ACTUAL UNIVERSE?

You guessed it folks, OUTSIDE of Eternity.

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Continues...

The M-Body of Entropy exploded into a Big Bang that became the 616 Universe/Eternity

Enough BULL shit

Eternity's M-Body is the totality of the Universe.

Eternity's M-Body is the Spirit/Consciousness of said Universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive already posted the scan. I'll do it again just for you.

Isn't this from that GOOF of a She-Hulk Comic book where She-Hulk actually get's a JOB working for the Living Tribunal? 😆

"We are the Magistrati, and we are here to offer you a place in our order"

"The Magistrati, AGENTS of the Living Tribunal, they ACT as His Voice"

"Jennifer don't pass up this opportunity"

I thought this was the GOOFY She-Hulk issue you were using as proof.

(and I was right)

The artwork coincides with the COMEDY of this issue.

She-Hulk, involved in Multiversal affairs, and her employer is the Living Tribunal no less.

hysterical2

Yea, GS, we're going to take this seriously.

This thread looks interesting. I already have my own opinions, but I need some info first before I start throwing them around. So I'd like to ask three questions:

1) Please tell me in one sentence, "What do you believe the Phoenix Force is?"

2) "What exactly is a Phoenix of the White Crown?" Is it a perfect avatar like the firebird avatars that manifest themselves inside the universe? Perfect, but still an avatar nonetheless? Or is it the Phoenix Force itself?

3) Lastly, "What do you believe the M'Kraan crystal is?"

I suppose anybody can answer the question, but I'm particularly interested in gs' response. I've read through the thread. However, side issues and a whole lot of running around in circles has left me with an unclear impression.

oi.

when someone exits the m-body when it has manifested in a place like lt's realm, OF COURSE a person must exit eternity! lt's realm is OUTSIDE of eternity's jurisdiction. as a representation of the universe, it only stands to reason someone would exit eternity to enter lt's realm.

in your above scans, quasar stands above a catatonic m-body. but then you say:

". . . the Spirit/Consciousness of Eternity which was in a CATATONIC State."

that is utterly incorrect. the BODY was catatonic. the spirit battled against its binding and would have eventually broken free on its own, according to galactus. gamora and galactus only worked together to SPEED UP the escape of the sentient part of the universe. the body and spirit were utterly independent.

in that SAME issue of quasar, i've showed you a scan where contemplatir (and elder of the universe) says lt is a representation, an m-body:

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=q5jw6.jpg

here hyperstorm kills anamoly and sends his 'body' to oblivion. yet, in that same quasar issue you referenced above, quasar is fighting who? yep. anomaly. how? hyperstorm slew a meaningless m-body, NOT the abstract itself.

here again -- abstracts have NO PHYSICAL BODIES!

http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=q4ro3.jpg

and quasar speaks to an older eternity m-body and ASKS that m-body: "could you direct me to the spiritual entity that you REPRESENT!"

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=q6rp1.jpg

the m-body is a representation.

i have no clue how you say eternity's destruction by beyonder and protege was an illusion. clearly it happened. the fact that nothing came of it doesn't mean it was an illusion, it means that the destruction of the m-body was meaningless because it is just a representation, based on the minds of the beyonder and protege. hell, even GALACTUS appears differently to each person/race that sees him! that m-body readers see, is meaningless. gs said the same thing i said a dozen times and that you cannot answer -- how can the m-body be the totality and be WITHIN the universe? it cannot. any m-body is just a manifestation of the sentience of the universe. in the what of book in question, the sentience left the universe -- this sentience is as always depicted as an m-body. when the sentience left our universe the universe ended.

the void you see is what is left in the wake of the implosion. the universe that is left is tiny, a nutshell, waiting to be reborn.

show one place where it says the universe was destroyed. an implosion is NOT equal to destruction. implosion means to condense. the universe imploded and condensed to nutshell-size. it was waiting to be reborn. it was rendered devoid of meaning. why? because it's life force had left. but it was NOT destroyed and it didn NOT cease to exist. our universe was deprived of death and time. what was left behind was waiting to be reborn. the watcher speaks truly: without sentience, our universe DID end. but that doesn't contradict in anyway HE's observation that the universe would be reborn, that the cosmos would be reawakened. to deny that denies utterly and completely what is written on the pages.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This thread looks interesting. I already have my own opinions, but I need some info first before I start throwing them around. So I'd like to ask three questions:

1) Please tell me in one sentence, "What do you believe the Phoenix Force is?"

2) "What exactly is a Phoenix of the White Crown?" Is it a perfect avatar like the firebird avatars that manifest themselves inside the universe? Perfect, but still an avatar nonetheless? Or is it the Phoenix Force itself?

3) Lastly, "What do you believe the M'Kraan crystal is?"

I suppose anybody can answer the question, but I'm particularly interested in gs' response. I've read through the thread. However, side issues and a whole lot of running around in circles has left me with an unclear impression.

1. A force in the Multiverse that overseers it, not to be messed up with the ´Primal Force´ which is stated to be second only to God.
2. Jean Grey after absorbing a higher plane of reality.
3. A gateway to a universe filled with neutron stars (filled with raw energy)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive already posted the scan. I'll do it again just for you. 😉

That scan is not readible. This is how you prove your point?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
That scan is not readible. This is how you prove your point?

Try saving it to your pc, opening the image and zooming in. bangin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This thread looks interesting. I already have my own opinions, but I need some info first before I start throwing them around. So I'd like to ask three questions:

1) Please tell me in one sentence, "What do you believe the Phoenix Force is?"

2) "What exactly is a Phoenix of the White Crown?" Is it a perfect avatar like the firebird avatars that manifest themselves inside the universe? Perfect, but still an avatar nonetheless? Or is it the Phoenix Force itself?

3) Lastly, "What do you believe the M'Kraan crystal is?"

I suppose anybody can answer the question, but I'm particularly interested in gs' response. I've read through the thread. However, side issues and a whole lot of running around in circles has left me with an unclear impression.

1) The Phoenix Force is many things. But primarily it is the definition life. It is literally the energies of creation which manifest at a universal level as the Big Bang which spawns reality.

The firebird you see in a comic is not the full Phoenix Force, but an expression of the universal life force. An avatar of a universes ambient life energy.

There is a main Phoenix Consciousness of the White Hot Room which is the centre of the Multiverse, the very core of creation. It appears the many Phoenixes of the multiverse are derived from this.

The Phoenixes role appears to be to perpetuate the creation cycle of its universe. Its rebirth into creation as the Big Bang starts the cycle and it is the fire that brings about the universes end under the natural scheme of things.

2) The prime avatar of the Phoenix Force. It is Jean Grey in her complete Phoenix incarnation at balance with the opposing sides of her Phoenix self. Her good persona and her Dark Phoenix side. Hence the colour white. Which is a merger of all colours. It is also the colour of the Crown which in real life Kaballah principles is the closest the agents of God can come to the Unmanifest Supreme Being. Hence her title in the comics White Phoenix Of The Crown. (Please be aware that any agent of God allusions are just that and are not stated as the case in continuity, just suggested)

3) The nexus of the Marvel Multiverse. The point where all Marvel realities converge at one point and can be accessed. The crystal and its energy fields contain the the Neutron Galaxy (suggested access point to the White Hot Room) If these fields breakdown,then the universe in which this happens will be caught up in the neutron galaxies gravity well and sucked into its dimension. The same fate will eventually befall all other Marvel realities. Eventually all the matter and energy of the multiverse is cast out in a Big Bang.

I thought that was what your interpretation was. My response is in the 'Eternity vs Phoenix Force' thread.

New questions: What is the Primal Force stated to be second only to God?