Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Anyhow Phoenix have been punked so many times that she falls into what the 20th tier?
Phoenix like Galactus is one of the most featured cosmics on panel so of course its going to have more low showings than those such as LT who rarely get involved in combat.
What you need to learn to do is look at the situations where Phoenix has been killed and see were they due to lack of ability or power. You need to analyse the circumstances of such defeats, not just look at the outcome.
Either way when it comes to forum battle we theorise a fight based on the characters highest displays of power and what theyve been shown to do at their best.
So your comment doesnt affect the fact that Phoenix has the higher showings and comes across as just a spiteful retort because you failed to deliver a point which couldnt be shut down by either me or Leo.
Come on TT lets debate maturely. 😬
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
nebula with the IG turned some of the most powerful cosmic beings into stone without breaking a sweat. can the phoenix ever achieve this feat?
You havent read the thread have you? 😬
You have just skimmed through it and saw theres a persisitent Phoenix side and decided to jump in with your two cents. 😉
While youre very entitled to do so, that kind of thing just makes the thread go in circles as if im nice i can repost part of my argument which deals with your post. However i could be a b*stard and tell you to read the thread as you should have done in the first place. 😄
Hmmmm 😖hifty:
Ok. You need to learn to distinguish between the concepts in their totality and the Mbodys they manifest as.
The sum of the universe, its totality is what said concepts derive from and are a part of. The universe is what they draw their power from.Said concepts are the totality of that concept in the universe. (Eternity is the timeline, Death is universal mortality etc) As they are the totality of said concepts they can NOT appear in their full forms within the universe in any one location because said concept would be absent everywhere else in the universe. Eternity is the totality of the universe, therefore he cannot appear as his totality within his totality. Death is universal mortality, so she cannot encompass her totality in a single form and appear within the universe or there would be no Death anywhere in the universe.
That is why theese concepts employ the use of MBodys which are their representation within the universe, their aspects within the universe that they are a fundamental part of. Said aspects are NOT their totality, they cannot be without the previously mentioned negative affects to reality. They are bestowed with a portion of their power.
That black star faced humanoid figure is Eternity, in its his representation in reality, but it is not him in full power. Same with other humanoid figures we know as the abstracts.
Thanos beat down these Mbodys with the IG.
Look what Eternity said to Adam with the IG about how he would fare if he manifested in his totality (something he would not do for the sake of reality)
The affect would be virtually non existent. He'd be able to battle and fare well.
Just to reiterate, said concepts in their totality are part of the structure of the universe, they tap into its power.
Jean never fought with mere representations. Jean broke down the matter of the entire 616 universe down to its atoms and materialised it from outside the White Hot Room to within it, forming it intact within the palm of her hand.
That little glowing disc in her hand that she manipulated like putty is the 616 universe in its entirety. To be able to manipulate it down to its component parts and reform it intact she conclusively was tapping into more power than that contained within said universe. Those concepts are all just parts of that glowing disc, the entire universe she manipulated like putty. Thanos didnt even fight those concepts in their totalities, he fought their Mbodys. Their representations within the universe.
Jeans feat is leagues beyond Thanos'. That is conclusive.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
My ****ing ass it is ...
"Jean had become one with the Primal Force thus become Dark Phoenix."Jean merged with the Primal Force = Dark Phoenix.
The statement's made by a Watcher ... Apperently he knows nothing.
Since Dark Phoenix's is second to Eternity ...Wait it all makes sence now ... She's second to the creator ... Of the [B]universe
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Eternity ...List goes:
One-Above-All - Heart
Living Tribunal
Captain Britain w/ AoR and Excalibur
Meggan at full potential
and so on. [/B]
Captain Britain w/ AoR and Excalibur, how powerful