Originally posted by bloodoverme
if the omniversal tribune is able to erase an entire universe (238 for example) does that mean that they were able to kill a universal eternity? and based on the panel it wouldn't be just killing an m-body of eternity but rather killing the totality of a universal eternity.
Yes, the Omniversal Tribune can erase any Eternity they wish with the Celestial Nullifier, a weapon that belongs to Roma now.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There is no evidence of multiple M-body's of Eternity.We saw different 3 separate Timelines taking place within the Living Tribunal's Realm (the Dimension of Manifestations) that included 3 M-bodys of Eternity.
There are ONLY TWO Manifestations of Eternity during the ENTIRE issue of Quasar #37, This One:
When Warlock was on Trial, which took place in FEBRUARY 92' (Warlock & the Infinity Watch #1)
And this one:
Of the Comatose Eternity, which took place in June 92' (Infinity War #1)
HOW is this taking place at the same time, when these events are separated by 5 MONTHS and have NO relations whatsoever?
In FACT, the only correspondence of these TWO events with THIS issue of Quasar #37, is the Comatose Eternity coincidentally. (which is a Cross-Over of the Infinity War Arc)
And I might add, Warlock gave up the Infinity Gems WAY BEFORE Eternity was Comatose by Magus.
Quasar interrupted a TRIAL, that had already taken place.
The Third Eternity M-body appears in Quasar #38
And how are these events SUPPOSEDLY taking place simulataneously?
The event with the Beyonder meeting the Abstracts in Secret Wars, and the Trial of Warlock is still playing over and over within the Dimension of Manifestation.
No matter the logic, this is PIS to the umph degree, or just plain stupid.
One thing is to go back in time,
but because History is just repeating itself, those are simultaneous events taking place between Comatose Eternity and the others?
nah ... that's a cop-out, due to PIS.
It's not your fault, it's the complete PIS of the story attempting to jam down our throats this concept of M-bodys, with a scene that took place 22 Years ago May 1984
and yet, you want to believe it's happening simultaneously with the events of Infinity War which took place in June 1992, 8 Years later?
AND even more hilarious about this whole scene is that when the Cosmics came to the Beyonder they WEREN'T even in the Dimension of Manifestation,
they WERE in a RESTAURANT!
There're still CHAIRS and TABLES there 😆
HOW the heck did this turn into a Dimesion of Manifestation moment?
Oh silly PIS Writers of Quasar #37 & part of #38
U are the LORD of COSMIC Marvel, my friend, will u drink with me ?
Originally posted by King Kandy
You can't say there are no multiple M-Bodys, when even YOU admit that two-three were seen...It's simply not a point that can be argued, it's canon.
You missed my point entirely KK.
Again with a little extra,
There is no evidence of multiple M-body's of Eternity.
We saw different 3 separate Timelines taking place within the Living Tribunal's Realm (the Dimension of Manifestations) that included 3 M-bodys of Eternity.
There are ONLY TWO Manifestations of Eternity during the ENTIRE issue of Quasar #37, of AUGUST 1992,
This One:
When Warlock was on Trial, which took place in FEBRUARY 92' (Warlock & the Infinity Watch #1)
Here's the ORIGINAL EVENT taking place in FEBRUARY 92' (Warlock & the Infinity Watch #1)
And this OTHER Manifestation of Eternity in Quasar #37, of AUGUST 1992:
Of the Comatose Eternity, which took place in Aug. 92' (Infinity War #3)
Here's the ORIGINAL taking place in AUG. 92' (Infinity War #3)
HOW are these TWO SEPARATE events taking place at the same time, when these events are separated by 5 MONTHS and have NO relations whatsoever?
In FACT, the only correspondence of these TWO events with THIS issue of Quasar #37, is the Comatose Eternity coincidentally. (which is a Cross-Over of the Infinity War Arc)
And I might add, Warlock gave up the Infinity Gems WAY BEFORE Eternity was Comatose by Magus,
so HOW is Quasar bumping into Warlock's TRIAL (who STILL had the Infinity Gauntlet) in Quasar #37 from FEB. 92', which took place 5 MONTHS before Eternity was comatose in Infinity War #3 in AUG. 92'?
Quasar interrupted a TRIAL, that had already taken place.
So these events could not be happening simultaneously, thus the Eternity M-bodys are NOT from the same Timeline, which means there is STILL only ONE Eternity M-body at a time in the Present, instead of a "PAST Reflection" of Eternity which already took place like the Warlock Trial.
After all, the Prime Manifester of the Fractals said:
"Our Dimension contains Reflections of EVERY MANIFESTATION we have EVER DONE"
"Well, can you point us to a RECENT One?"
Why is Quasar interested only in finding the RECENT Manifestation of Eternity, if they are ALL Manifestations of the same Present Eternity?
hum
The Third Eternity M-body of Eternity appears in Quasar #38.
This one,
The event with the Beyonder meeting the Abstracts in Secret Wars, (which took place Originally in May 1984)
and the Trial of Warlock which is also still playing over and over within the Dimension of Manifestation.
How are these events SUPPOSEDLY taking place simulataneously?
No matter the logic, this is PIS to the umph degree, or just plain stupid.
One thing is to go back in time,
but because History is just repeating itself within the Dimension of Manifestation, those are simultaneous events taking place between Comatose Eternity and the Two others?
nah ... that's a cop-out, due to PIS.
It's not your fault, it's the complete PIS of the story attempting to jam down our throats this concept of M-bodys, with a scene that took place 22 Years ago May 1984
and yet, you want to believe it's happening simultaneously with the events of Infinity War which took place in Aug. 1992, 8 Years later?
AND even more hilarious about this whole scene is that when the Cosmics came to the Beyonder they WEREN'T even in the Dimension of Manifestation,
they WERE in a RESTAURANT!
There're still CHAIRS and TABLES there, LOL!
HOW the heck did this turn into a Dimesion of Manifestation moment?
Oh silly PIS Writers of Quasar #37 & part of #38
The Mbodies are just representations that the abstracts take control of and give sentience:
They are not necessarily accurate in their representations, the Mbodys and their function and form are dependent on the requirement of the user:
The Mbodys are living fractals. Entities from the dimension of manifestations that make a deal with those who want to manifest a physical form. How well an entity is represented is dependent on the skill of the fractal. An Mbody is therefore not necessarily a true marker for an entitys power level and is certainly not them in their totality in all appearances of an Mbody:
To further illustrate the point, the main manifester stating that the accuracy of the Mbodys is dependent on the entitys requirements. The entity decides and sometimes the fractals themselves are allowed to decide therefore Mbodys whilst they CAN be truly representative of an entitys power and stature, you cannot assume that is the case in any and all appearances of an Mbody without the point being stated:
The above scan also illustrates the point that Mbodys are JUST the way we beings of the universe perceive the entitys in question. Here Quasars love for a friend causes the embodiment of the concept of love to appear as said friend.
This is in line with Eternitys comments about how the Mbodys are just a perception and far from the actual concept itself:
The spiritual entity you REPRESENT:
Every Mbody ever made for an entity is featured in the Dimension of Manifestations. Eternity is stated to have numerous Mbodys:
As previously stated Mbodys are made dependent on their users need. They have different ones tailor made for different situations and they determine how accurate that representation is (i.e how powerful) or they leave that up to the living fractals.
If Eternity only ever has one Mbody (that some try an say IS the actual universe) that always is imbued with his full power as some posters would claim, then why the need for so many custom made representations? There would be no need.
On top of that the Eternity Mbody is conclusively NOT the universe in its totality. It is a fractal being giving its form up for Eternitys use because Eternity has no physical body of his own. It is a representation of Eternity and nothing more. Eternity has no physical body (he is after all the sentience of the universe) therefore he can never appear in his totality and can only ever utilise an Mbody imbued with a portion of his might. If the universe put all of its might into an Mbody, all of its energy and power then there would be no actual universe, just that Mbody. 😬
I'll hear no more claims about those Mbodys being the actual entity themselves in form or in full power. They are not. They CANNOT be.
Some scans have been presented where Gamora is unlocking the sentience of Eternity out of its catatonic state with the aid of Galactus during the Infinity War with Magus. This catatonic Mbody has been presented by some as the actual universe. 😬
When Gamora was interacting with the Mbody and her task was being represented within the dimension of manifestations, some people said this Mbody was the actual universe and that by flying into the Mbody she actually went into the universe. She did NOT. It was how she perceived her task and it was a way of relating the action to readers. The catatonic Mbody was just a manifestation:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Mbodies are just representations that the abstracts take control of and give sentience:
They are not necessarily accurate in their representations, the Mbodys and their function and form are dependent on the requirement of the user:
And?
What does this have to do with an M-body being a part of or a fraction of the totality it represents?
Nothing!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Mbodys are living fractals. Entities from the dimension of manifestations that make a deal with those who want to manifest a physical form. How well an entity is represented is dependent on the skill of the fractal. An Mbody is therefore not necessarily a true marker for an entitys power level and is certainly not them in their totality in all appearances of an Mbody:
Actually the Prime Manifester was talking about Galactus and other entities that are NOT abstract, but finite beings.
"What are Galactus and the Stranger doing here? They're NOT Absract Entities, they're Physical Beings"
"What about Galactus?"
"Certain powerful PHYSICAL Entities also enlist our services so they may be able to put an appearance somewhere without actually attending"
"We give our Newborns the FINITE BEINGS to practice on BEFORE they are ALLOWED to Manifest ABSTRACT BEINGS"
Hence the head of Galactus during this explanation.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To further illustrate the point, the main manifester stating that the accuracy of the Mbodys is dependent on the entitys requirements. The entity decides and sometimes the fractals themselves are allowed to decide therefore Mbodys whilst they CAN be truly representative of an entitys power and stature, you cannot assume that is the case in any and all appearances of an Mbody without the point being stated:
NO where in that scan does it say the Fractals decide how much power will be installed in an M-body.
From that same scan:
"Some Entities have very SPECIFIC Requirements, others give us FREER REIGN"
"Frequently we FORM the MANIFESTATION-BODY to the MENTAL IMAGE of the Beholder"
You can't go around ADDING theories and speculation to what was said On Panel to solidify what your postulating.
The Fractals claim to have some freedom in the Form of the M-body, and NOTHING else.
So until you can come up with an instance in which an Abstract M-body has been definitively depicted as a "portion" or "part of" or "fraction" of the Concepts totality, M-bodys of Abstracts are the FULL representation of their power and stature.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The above scan also illustrates the point that Mbodys are JUST the way we beings of the universe perceive the entitys in question. Here Quasars love for a friend causes the embodiment of the concept of love to appear as said friend.
And?
How does this take away from the M-body's power?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The spiritual entity you REPRESENT:
Yea, so?
He asked an Infinity from another Universe the same thing:
Quasar asking for the REAL ETERNITY, NOT one of his "M-bodys"?
And hey what do you know, it just so happens to be "the MOST RECENTLY Manifested Aspect of Eternity" .... AND ....
"You mean this Corresponds to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW?"
Again:
"Yeah, and this Aspect is of RIGHT VINTAGE ... So what's happening to it is GOING ON RIGHT NOW"
Where?
IN the UNIVERSE, like he clearly said.
"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"
"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"
I know you know what TEMPORAL means...
This is why Quasar asked Infinity for the REAL ETERNITY, because the Comatose M-body was of "RIGHT VINTAGE", it "Corresponded to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW" it was "the MOST RECENTLY Manifested Aspect of Eternity"
Which makes it, the "Spiritual Essence/Consciousness of ETERNITY, just like Quasar himself said, the "TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE"
The "Spiritual Entity" you REPRESENT, happens to be an M-BODY 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is in line with Eternitys comments about how the Mbodys are just a perception and far from the actual concept itself:
I been seeing these two scans being posted here several times as proof that Eternity's M-body is not his totality:
But,
if we're going to except this idea perpetrated by this Guardians of the Galaxy issue, we must except ALL the ideas depicted by this book.
Observe, this is from the same Arc:
Protege absorbs the Living Tribunal's power, and proclaims himself TOAA.
Protege begins to smack around everyone in the room, this includes Eternity, Hawkgod and the Living Tribunal himself.
But Scathan the Celestial does not approve with Protege's actions
So Scathan defeats Protege in an instant by encasing his head in an energy muzzle:
So now we see that a Celestial is more powerful than the Living Tribunal or is it TOAA, according to the Writers of this garbage.
LMAO!!!
After this Scathan releases Protege, but now the Living Tribunal can handle Protege because, he's using the Amulet of the Ancient One to help him, HAHAHAHA!!!
So the Living Tribunal imprisons Protege forever within the "Eternal Hourglass"
The Living Tribunal had to draw upon the Amulet of the Ancient One to entrap Protege:
😆
Yes I know, I feel the same way.
Nothing this issue claims, I'll take seriously.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Some scans have been presented where Gamora is unlocking the sentience of Eternity out of its catatonic state with the aid of Galactus during the Infinity War with Magus. This catatonic Mbody has been presented by some as the actual universe. 😬When Gamora was interacting with the Mbody and her task was being represented within the dimension of manifestations, some people said this Mbody was the actual universe and that by flying into the Mbody she actually went into the universe. She did NOT. It was how she perceived her task and it was a way of relating the action to readers. The catatonic Mbody was just a manifestation:
Wonderful,
this scan has absolutely NOTHING to do with what your saying, NOTHING at all.
And this bit:
"some people said this Mbody was the actual universe and that by flying into the Mbody she actually went into the universe. She did NOT. It was how she perceived her task and it was a way of relating the action to readers"
Is straight up BULL shit ...
Where on panel does it say that?
When the bottomline is:
Gamora entered the M-body of Eternity, and ended up INSIDE the ACTUAL Universe.
When Stakar and Aleta went in search of the "Scar of Eternity" which was LOCATED WITHIN the actual Universe:
They passed through it and where did they end up when they crossed to the other side of the ACTUAL UNIVERSE?
You guessed it folks, OUTSIDE of Eternity.
Don't play yourself.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The entity decides and sometimes the fractals themselves are allowed to decide therefore Mbodys whilst they CAN be truly representative of an entitys power and stature, you cannot assume that is the case in any and all appearances of an Mbody without the point being stated:
And yet you'd have us believe that when his own existence was on the line, and the abstracts were getting smashed... Eternity fought persaonaly, as a last ditch effort, INTENTIONALLY USING a small piece of his power?
❌
Originally posted by Mr Master
And?What does this have to do with an M-body being a part of or a fraction of the totality it represents?
Nothing!
Ummm quite alot actually. If the Mbodys are JUST representations and said representations and all they are aren't necessarily true to what they represent then you cant assume that each Mbody is the entity in full power. All that they are is dependment on the users requirements.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually the Prime Manifester was talking about Galactus and other entities that are NOT abstract, but finite beings."What are Galactus and the Stranger doing here? They're NOT Absract Entities, they're Physical Beings"
"What about Galactus?"
"Certain powerful PHYSICAL Entities also enlist our services so they may be able to put an appearance somewhere without actually attending""We give our Newborns the FINITE BEINGS to practice on BEFORE they are ALLOWED to Manifest ABSTRACT BEINGS"
Hence the head of Galactus during this explanation.
When the manifester is talking about the accuracy of the representation being dependent on the skill level of the fractal youre correct, he was talking about Galactus and the physical beings who make use of Mbodys as its only the experienced fractals who are allowed to work with the abstracts. However the point still stands that:
a) these Mbodys are just representations of their users NOT the users in their totality as said users do not have physical attributes.
b)If the Mbodys are NOT the users in their totality and just representations as they are then they cannot possess their full power. Eternity is the universe. He cannot give his full power to an Mbody and leave the universe intact.
