Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master
NO where in that scan does it say the Fractals decide how much power will be installed in an M-body.

From that same scan:

"Some Entities have very SPECIFIC Requirements, others give us FREER REIGN"

"Frequently [B]we FORM the MANIFESTATION-BODY to the MENTAL IMAGE of the Beholder"

You can't go around ADDING theories and speculation to what was said On Panel to solidify what your postulating.

The Fractals claim to have some freedom in the Form of the M-body, and NOTHING else.

So until you can come up with an instance in which an Abstract M-body has been definitively depicted as a "portion" or "part of" or "fraction" of the Concepts totality, M-bodys of Abstracts are the FULL representation of their power and stature. [/B]

Sorry my friend, it doesnt work like that. It stands to reason that the abstracts Mbodys represent just a portion of their totality. If an Mbody encompassed all that is an abstract within itself then that concept wouldnt exist anywhere else. If Eternitys Mbody possessed the totality of Eternitys power then there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe except within that Mbody. The fact that:

a) You see Eternitys Mbody running around in the universe with the universe intact

b) Its stated that the accuracy of the representation can vary dependent on a users requirements

All tells you that the Mbodys can NEVER possess the totality of an abstracts power and leave the rest of the universe intact, (especially with Eternity and Infinity) and that Eternitys Mbodys have had varying levels of accuracy to his totality because Eternity has employed numerous ones as stated shows

Originally posted by Mr Master
And?

How does this take away from the M-body's power?

This point was more related to your ludicrous interpretation that the Mbody is the ACTUAL concept itself as opposed to just a representation as is clearly stated. I was just illustrating conclusively that the Mbodys are just a perception a representation of the abstracts and not them themselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, so?

He asked an Infinity from another Universe the same thing:

Not an Infinity from a universe. It was one of 616 Infinity’s many Mbodys that she uses. As previously stated all Mbodys created are represented in the dimension of manifestations. That is why Quasar said this isn’t the Infinity he met and then talks of how Infinity must have an infinite number of mbodys she uses, which relates back to the point that the abstracts have many different Mbodys they employ for different situations. There isn’t just one Mbody that is the same.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Quasar asking for the REAL ETERNITY, NOT one of his "M-bodys"?

And hey what do you know, it just so happens to be "the MOST RECENTLY Manifested Aspect of Eternity" .... AND ....

"You mean this Corresponds to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW?"

CORRESPONDS TO the most recent MANIFESTED ASPECT of Eternity. Pay close attention to those words. Read and comprehend.

As stated the Dimensions of manifestations contains within it reflections of ALL the Mbodies of the abstracts beings and said Mbodys mirror whatever the actual Mbodys did or are the current Mbody being used by the specific abstract.

That is what that line I told you to closely study is referring to.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again:

"Yeah, and this Aspect is of RIGHT VINTAGE ... So what's happening to it is GOING ON RIGHT NOW"

Where?

IN the UNIVERSE, like he clearly said.

Handled previously.

“This ASPECT……what’s happening to it is going on right now. “

It was an Mbody. Every Mbody created features in the D of M and they play through what has happened in the past or are the current Mbody being employed by the entity in question. Like in this scan.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"

"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"

I know you know what TEMPORAL means...

This is why Quasar asked Infinity for the REAL ETERNITY, because the Comatose M-body was of "RIGHT VINTAGE", it "Corresponded to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW" it was "the MOST RECENTLY Manifested Aspect of Eternity"

Which makes it, the "Spiritual Essence/Consciousness of ETERNITY, just like Quasar himself said, the "TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE"

The "Spiritual Entity" you REPRESENT, happens to be an M-BODY 😱

Quasar talked to Infinity and asked to speak to the real Eternity, the current manifestation of Eternity as opposed to one of these reflections of mbodys. This Mbody ignored him leading him to realize she was just one of these many Mbodys and not the one he had previously dealt with. Again proving my point that not all mbodys have the same level of representation.

You seem to have missed the bit telling readers that the Mbodies of the Dimension of M are reflections of the real ones within reality, which has lead you to come to this most fanciful interpretation. Im glad ive cleared that up for you.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So they CAN be full power?

And yet you'd have us believe that when his own existence was on the line, and the abstracts were getting smashed... Eternity fought persaonaly, as a last ditch effort, INTENTIONALLY USING a small piece of his power?

❌

For Eternity to employ all the power he has at his disposal within an Mbody, he would destroy the universe. Its the lesser of two evils my friend. Dont you think it would be rather silly of him to destroy that which he is trying to protect in an attempt to protect that which he is trying to protect? 😕

Therefore im assuming he employed all the power he could without it being detrimental to the wellbeing of reality. Either way the point stands that an Mbody CANNOT possess the totality of a concept when you have that concept present elsewhere. If you see Eternitys Mbody in reality and the rest of reality is still intact, then of course that is NOT the totality of Eternity because the totality of Eternity IS the universe.

So in other words UH-HUH! ✅

The battle was messing up the universe anyway...

"This is madness! The universe is being destroyed by the very ones who are trying to protect it!"

Originally posted by King Kandy
The battle was messing up the universe anyway...

"This is madness! The universe is being destroyed by the very ones who are trying to protect it!"

Refer back to my last post:

"Therefore im assuming he employed all the power he could without it being detrimental to the wellbeing of reality."

The point stands that Eternity is the sentience of the universe. His totality IS the universe. For an Mbody to possess his totality there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe. It would all be summed up in that Mbody.

Do you think you've seen that to be the case on panel? 😕

Case closed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Refer back to my last post:

"Therefore im assuming he employed all the power he could without it being detrimental to the wellbeing of reality."

The point stands that Eternity is the sentience of the universe. His totality IS the universe. For an Mbody to possess his totality there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe. It would all be summed up in that Mbody.

Do you think you've seen that to be the case on panel? 😕

Case closed.

You have convinced me Galactic Storm, what a brilliant bit of debating.

Actually, that kind of logic wouldnt work with anyone who is near to the omnipotence, there are paradoxes that have to be asumed wrong and the duality is one of them.

Originally posted by Bentley
Actually, that kind of logic wouldnt work with anyone who is near to the omnipotence, there are paradoxes that have to be asumed wrong and the duality is one of them.

phoenix>>>>>thanos

thanos is dead 😛

Originally posted by Bentley
Actually, that kind of logic wouldnt work with anyone who is near to the omnipotence, there are paradoxes that have to be asumed wrong and the duality is one of them.

Says whom? Isnt that just speculation on your part? 😕 ✅

If youre referring to my argument then most of my points are actually stated on panel. The opposition would have you believe that the Eternity Mbody in all appearances is the actual universe in its totality despite the fact that

a) this supposed totality is often shown standing WITHIN the universe.

b)Its been blown up on panel with no ill effects to the universe

c)Its stated that the Mbodys are JUST representations whose accuracy varies on the abstracts wishes.

d) Eternity says the Mbody isnt his totality himself.

Th epoint in light of that really shouldnt be debatable. The reason the opposition is arguing against me on this is because if the truth comes to light, then Thanos' feats with the IG become less impressive and the distance between Phoenix and the IG increases. Its all connected you see. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Therefore im assuming he employed all the power he could without it being detrimental to the wellbeing of reality."

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Says whom? Isnt that just speculation on your part? 😕 ✅

If youre referring to my argument then most of my points are actually stated on panel. The opposition would have you believe that the Eternity Mbody in all appearances is the actual universe in its totality despite the fact that

a) this supposed totality is often shown standing WITHIN the universe.

b)Its been blown up on panel with no ill effects to the universe

c)Its stated that the Mbodys are JUST representations whose accuracy varies on the abstracts wishes.

d) Eternity says the Mbody isnt his totality himself.

Th epoint in light of that really shouldnt be debatable. The reason the opposition is arguing against me on this is because if the truth comes to light, then Thanos' feats with the IG become less impressive and the distance between Phoenix and the IG increases. Its all connected you see. 🙂

Brilliant, I would never have thought of that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The point stands that Eternity is the sentience of the universe. His totality IS the universe. For an Mbody to possess his totality there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe. It would all be summed up in that Mbody.

My comment was aimed to this line in particular, when you hit omnipotence, the "summed up" you is pretty much a paradox. You can be anything, why cant you be a more-of-yourself than you already are if you are omnipotent?

Its a paradox, this is philosophy, omnipotence is really defined around the paradoxs or otherwise it wouldnt exist. If it exists in MU then we have to assume that certain things that sound ilogical can be true there.

(This is still about this comment above, I'm catching up with the rest of the conversation)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummm quite alot actually. If the Mbodys are JUST representations and said representations and all they are aren't necessarily true to what they represent then you cant assume that each Mbody is the entity in full power. All that they are is dependment on the users requirements.

When the manifester is talking about the accuracy of the representation being dependent on the skill level of the fractal youre correct, he was talking about Galactus and the physical beings who make use of Mbodys as its only the experienced fractals who are allowed to work with the abstracts. However the point still stands that:

a) these Mbodys are just representations of their users NOT the users in their totality as said users do not have physical attributes.

b)If the Mbodys are NOT the users in their totality and just representations as they are then they cannot possess their full power. Eternity is the universe. He cannot give his full power to an Mbody and leave the universe intact.

This does not in anyway prove that M-bodys come in weaker forms.

Your still basing your argument on your idealism, NOT on evidence that is clearly depicted on panel as I have.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sorry my friend, it doesnt work like that. It stands to reason that the abstracts Mbodys represent just a portion of their totality.

Reason, versus On Panel evidence,

ok good luck on that one.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If an Mbody encompassed all that is an abstract within itself then that concept wouldnt exist anywhere else. If Eternitys Mbody possessed the totality of Eternitys power then there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe except within that Mbody.

You still CAN'T prove this with a comic book, this is solely YOUR idea on the matter.

I suppose we should take your word for it, instead of the MANY MANY times we've seen Eternity as the totality of the Universe on panel?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that:

a) You see Eternitys Mbody running around in the universe with the universe intact

Means nothing.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
b) Its stated that the accuracy of the representation can vary dependent on a users requirements

The Fractals NEVER ever said they have authority over how much power goes into an M-body, the only permission the Fractals are given is in the PHYSICAL DESIGN of the M-body, nothing more.

If you can prove this with on panel evidence please do,

but we both know you cannot.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All tells you that the Mbodys can NEVER possess the totality of an abstracts power and leave the rest of the universe intact, (especially with Eternity and Infinity)

Where On Panel is this written?

Or is it all in your head?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and that Eternitys Mbodys have had varying levels of accuracy to his totality because Eternity has employed numerous ones as stated shows

Bull shit

No where on panel is it stated that Eternity's M-body has ever had "varying levels of accuracy"

Come on dude, let's stick to comic books.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This point was more related to your ludicrous interpretation that the Mbody is the ACTUAL concept itself as opposed to just a representation as is clearly stated.

You haven't proven anything with your "point" ...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I was just illustrating conclusively that the Mbodys are just a perception a representation of the abstracts and not them themselves.

Everyone knows M-bodys are representations of thier respective Concepts however, when Fractals become the M-body of a specific Abstract, that specific Concept places it's ENERGIES within the M-body:

It NEVER said HOW MUCH Energy is transfered,

"We have a SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP with the Abstract Beings, an EXCHANGE of ENERGIES that you physicals would not comprehend"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not an Infinity from a universe. It was one of 616 Infinity’s many Mbodys that she uses. As previously stated all Mbodys created are represented in the dimension of manifestations. That is why Quasar said this isn’t the Infinity he met and then talks of how Infinity must have an infinite number of mbodys she uses, which relates back to the point that the abstracts have many different Mbodys they employ for different situations. There isn’t just one Mbody that is the same.

Where does it say that was Infinity 616?

Quasar knows Infinity 616 well, heck she employed him in the past, HOW is it Infinity did NOT recognize Quasar?

Different M-body you say, though it's still the SAME Infinity.

So an Abstract loses it's memory and all recollection of it's PAST from M-body to M-body according this philosophy.

But the FACT is:

With in the ONE and ONLY Dimension of Manifestations, ALL the M-bodys of the Multi-verse/Omni-verse appear.

Which is WHY Quasar could NOT locate the M-body of Infinity that knows him:

When Gamora finds that Infinity was trapped Inside the Consciouness/Spirit of Eternity she says,

"With Eternity, that's INFINITY! ... "That's WHY Quasar COULDN'T LOCATE Her"

"COULDN'T LOCATE Her?"

But he DID LOCATE INFINITY:

In FACT, what Quasar said was:

"she's IGNORING me, GUESS THIS ISN'T the M-BODY I MET"

"What'd I expect, She of ALL people must have an INFINITE Number of M-BODIES"

SO what does this mean?

That THIS is a DIFFERENT Infinity, in FACT the MULTIPLE Reflections in the Dimension of Manifestations are from OTHER UNIVERSES! (That's what this proves)

And "Reflections" of M-bodys are from different Timelines or the Past more plainly.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
CORRESPONDS TO the most recent MANIFESTED ASPECT of Eternity. Pay close attention to those words. Read and comprehend.

As stated the Dimensions of manifestations contains within it reflections of ALL the Mbodies of the abstracts beings and said Mbodys mirror whatever the actual Mbodys did or are the current Mbody being used by the specific abstract.

That is what that line I told you to closely study is referring to.

You should pay close attention to your own post,

How does this explanation take away from the FACT that an M-BODY is clearly being depicted Artistically accompanied by On Panel statements as the SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE!

"You mean this Corresponds to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW?"

Again:

"Yeah, and this Aspect is of RIGHT VINTAGE ... So what's happening to it is GOING ON RIGHT NOW"

Where?

IN the UNIVERSE, like he clearly said.

"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"

"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"

I know you know what TEMPORAL means...

This is why Quasar asked Infinity for the REAL ETERNITY, because the Comatose M-body was of "RIGHT VINTAGE", it "Corresponded to something that's going on in the UNIVERSE NOW" it was "the MOST RECENTLY Manifested Aspect of Eternity"

Which makes it, the "Spiritual Essence/Consciousness of ETERNITY, just like Quasar himself said, the "TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE"

The "Spiritual Entity" you REPRESENT, happens to be an M-BODY 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Handled previously.

“This ASPECT……what’s happening to it is going on right now. “

It was an Mbody. Every Mbody created features in the D of M and they play through what has happened in the past or are the current Mbody being employed by the entity in question. Like in this scan.

"Handled previously?"

You haven't handled anything but sure, fondle yourself with false encouragement all you want.

And you cleverly avoided the FACT that Eternity's M-BODY was depicted On Panel as the Spirit of the Universe:

"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"

"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quasar talked to Infinity and asked to speak to the real Eternity, the current manifestation of Eternity as opposed to one of these reflections of mbodys. This Mbody ignored him leading him to realize she was just one of these many Mbodys and not the one he had previously dealt with. Again proving my point that not all mbodys have the same level of representation.

So again,

what your saying is that the MEMORY of an Abstract goes into a state of AMNESIA from M-body to M-body.

😆

Where did you get this info from?

Or are these more hallucinations of yours?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You seem to have missed the bit telling readers that the Mbodies of the Dimension of M are reflections of the real ones within reality, which has lead you to come to this most fanciful interpretation. Im glad ive cleared that up for you.

You haven't cleared anything up, you toot your horn before anyone else does, not cool.

What you can't prove is that an Abstract looses all memory of it's Past when it switches to a new M-body.

And that's what your saying, that Infinity LOST her memory because Infinity was using a different M-body, and this is why Quasar was not recognized.

But actually that's rediculous.

The Infinity M-body did not acknowledge Quasar because it was an M-body of a different Universe, which did NOT know Quasar.

Simple, effective no?

AND,

There is ONLY ONE Dimension of Manifestation, and it is the Realm of the Living Tribunal (the Fractals just work there)

So it is quite conceivable, that Other manifestations of Eternity/Infinity, are indeed of OTHER Universes.

Also, I just remembered Magus making M-bodys.

You do realize that Magus was NOT in 616 at this point right?

What does that tell you, that again, indeed beings of OTHER/DIFFERENT Universes can dwell within the Dimension of Manifestation simultaneously.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Therefore im assuming he employed all the power he could without it being detrimental to the wellbeing of reality."

The point stands that Eternity is the sentience of the universe. His totality IS the universe. For an Mbody to possess his totality there would be no energy anywhere else in the universe. It would all be summed up in that Mbody.

Do you think you've seen that to be the case on panel?

Case closed.

So when and where On Panel has it ever been stated that Eternity is not the totality of the Universe?