Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by leonidas
the infinity m-body ignored quasar BECAUSE the infinity sentience was IMPRISONED along with the ETERNITY sentience by magus.

a clear distinction has been shown to exist between the m-body and the sentience. m-body catatonic, sentience still fully functional and battling. we have seen multiple m-bodies existing of eternity and multiple m-bodies existing of death. to say these are 'other-multiversal' manifestations is pure speculation as other multiverses are NEVER MENTIONED in any relevent book dealing with m-bodies.

for more on m-bodies here's a thread where i posted loads of scans.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/431793_1-marvel-universe-the-end-discussion-thread

it turned out to be quite lengthy, but quite enlightening imo. 🙂

Interesting

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you Leo. 😄

it's simply speculation -- but it does explain why he was ignored and is no MORE speculatory than saying that infinity was from a different universe/multiverse . . . ❌

Good post from Horrificus:

Originally posted by Horrificus
The M Bodies are basically "containers" for a portion of the eccense of the Abstract Entity. It's power, what it represents, it's psyche, it's very being. Otherwise, it would not be able to represent itself accurately in the M Body. But, it can.

When Gamora jumped into the Eternity M Body (which was only about 40 or 50 ft tall), she was still, in eccense, leaping into the Universe, and obviously trusted that Eternity was going to get her where she needed to go.

First of all, Eternity DID NOT compact itself into a 40 ft form.
Nor did Eternity grow Gamora to infinite, Universal size.
And, if Gamora was just jumping into a big blob of 616 universe, when she jumped into Eternity, she would have had no idea where she would end up.
So, to take that scan literally, does not add up.

The M Bodies and the actual Abstracts are Linked. They ARE the entity.
That was never debated.

Please ignore anything else you all hear. The M Body situation is one that is SOLIDLY embeded in Marvel. There is no room for guessing, or wrong opinions.

Think of the M Bodies as a kind of a cross between a symbol of the abstract entity, and a portal to that entity's very being. It would seem that their power can flow out through the M Body, as well as act like a portal, allowing the TRUE entity to be effected as well.

But, make no mistake people. The Universe, the Living Tribunal, Death, Infinity, and all the other Abstract Entities are not 40 or 50 ft tall, nor are they compressing themselves into this view. These are Universal and Multiversal entities, not mailmen that show up in person on a regular basis.

Good post from Leo that deals with the Guardians of the Galaxy/Gamora issue

Originally posted by leonidas

they are OUTSIDE eternity/the universe. how ELSE could they envision the universe UNLESS it were an m-body? the universe is boundless, the m-body is defined and physical. the purpose of the m-body is to allow a physical being to see and interact with the abstract. it REPRESENTS the abstract and it's representation can vary. that does not mean that it is the entirety of the abstract. i've tried to explain this a couple times. fine by me if you disagree. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats the thing, it does exactly.

Actully it does not, but believe what you wish.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its stated point blank that how well an abstract is represented can vary.

It is all dependent on the abstracts wishes and their requirements.

Please, as you like to say, "Handled previously"

The Fractals were talking about FINITE Beings, NOT Abstracts:

The "wishes and requirements" pertains to the Physical APPEARANCE of the M-body, NOT it's Quantity of power:

"Some Entities have very SPECIFIC Requirements, others give us FREER REIGN"

"Frequently we FORM the MANIFESTATION-BODY to the MENTAL IMAGE of the Beholder"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
On top of that Eternity is the totality of the universe therefore not only is the mbody not the totality of the universe as you used to argue and now have wisely quitened down on,

When have I quietened my understanding on the matter?

Eternity's M-body has the TOTALITY of the Universe's power within it.

Eternity's M-body can give you access to any point in the actual Universe.

Eternity's M-body contains the Spirit and Consciousness of the Universe.

Now you know my official claims.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
but it conclusively cannot possess the totality of Eternitys power because he is the universe, so for him to sum up all of his power into an Mbody he would be depriving the rest of reality of energy and leave it a void. Do you see this happening on panel?

You still haven't provided a shred of evidence to dispute Entropy's M-body creating a Universe, and Eternity's M-body creating a Universe aside from numerous occasions where the M-body of Eternity has been depicted as the Universe embodied.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not idealism its rational thought. Common sense, versus unsupported fantasy made up to support an agenda.

You mean Marvel's "fantasy?"

What "agenda" is Marvel supporting?

Eternity's M-Body is the "Spirit/Consciousness" of the Universe:

"Since there's nothing to be done for this zoned-out MANIFESTATION of Eternity"

"Avengers are about to launch an assault on the Cosmic Muckamuck they figure DID THIS to the TEMPORAL SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE HERE"

Again:

When Gamora had to the find the Spirit/Consciousness of Eternity which was in a CATATONIC State:

HOW did Gamora manage to REACH Eternity's Consciousness hmm?

The Answer:

By ENTERING the M-BODY of Eternity.

HOW does Gamora manage to exit the Consciousness of Eternity hmm?

The Answer:

By EXITING the M-BODY of Eternity.

Again:

Thanos became the Universe, by taking Eternity's (the "M-body"😉 place

Again:

When Korvac erased this Universe, it was Eternity (the "M-body"😉 that was erased

Again:

When Insane Genis destroyed the Universe, it was Eternity (the M-body) he crushed

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Again:

When Reed Erased and Created a New Multi-verse, again, it's Eternity/Infinity (the M-body) that's Erased and Created anew

Again:

The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus

Again:

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

Again:

When Stakar and Aleta went in search of the "Scar of Eternity" which was LOCATED WITHIN the actual Universe:

They passed through it and where did they end up when they crossed to the other side of the ACTUAL UNIVERSE?

"the Journey through the Scar is at an end, let's see what lies Beyond Eternity"

When they go Beyond the Scar of Universe, they exit Eternity (who IS the Universe)

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ENTROPY'S M-BODY becomes ETERNITY the ENTIRE UNIVERSE

ETERNITY is the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!

ETERNITY is the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!

ENTROPY becomes his Father, ETERNITY is the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!

Again:

The M-Body of the Entity (Eternity/Death) leaves the Universe it was and enters a parallel EMPTY Vacuum, which is called a Virgin Universe.

That SAME M-Body of Eternity CREATES a Universe by exploding it's M-Body as a BIG BANG (NO NEED for Phoenix btw)

"ALL matter was a single mass of Infinite density, which Exploded Outward from a central point"

"The coming of the Entity INTO this Virgin Universe, one previously as Blank and EMPTY as a true Vacuum, now causes Stars and the Stuff of Stars to be HURLED FROM IT"

Again:

"Eternity"

"Once again I AM REALITY"

"In THIS UNIVERSE THAT IS I"

Originally posted by leonidas
the infinity m-body ignored quasar BECAUSE the infinity sentience was IMPRISONED along with the ETERNITY sentience by magus.

Here is how Eternity was depicted Catatonic:

And this is how Infinity was depicted in the same issue by the same Artist you say is also Catatonic like Eternity:

"she's IGNORING me, GUESS THIS ISN'T the M-BODY I MET"

I don't see a resemblance, in fact, Infinity seems quite AWARE.

On top of this, Quasar said she was "Ignoring him" not that she was incapable of undertstanding him in any way.

But regardless the Art speaks for itself.

Originally posted by leonidas
a clear distinction has been shown to exist between the m-body and the sentience. m-body catatonic, sentience still fully functional and battling.

The Sentience which coincidentally happens to be within the M-body of Eternity.

Originally posted by leonidas
we have seen multiple m-bodies existing of eternity

No we have not.

There were THREE manifestaions of Eternity, TWO of the M-body's appeared in Quasar #37, the other in Quasar #38 which was a continuation of #37.

TWO of those THREE M-bodys were PAST Reflections:

1. (the Warlock Trial which took place FIVE Months before in Warlock %the Infinity Watch #1)

2. (Beyonder meeting the Abstracts which took place EIGHT Years before Quasar #38 was published) 😆

There was only ONE legitimate Eternity M-body in that arc, the Comatose Eternity which actually corresponded with Quasar #37.

Originally posted by leonidas
and multiple m-bodies existing of death.

Those were PAST Reflections, the Prime Manifester said they collect every M-body ever made of the Abstracts:

"Our Dimension contains Reflections of EVERY MANIFESTATION we have EVER DONE"

A bunch of left over "Reflections" of Deaths.

Originally posted by leonidas
to say these are 'other-multiversal' manifestations is pure speculation as other multiverses are NEVER MENTIONED in any relevent book dealing with m-bodies.

I never said they were from other multiverses, I said Universes.

In any case it's true it didn't exactly mention it, but this is my proof,

what is Magus doing in the Dimension of Manifestations when he was "MANY REALITIES AWAY" from the 616 Universe/Eternity?

"He's Catatonic....It appears to be Induced by OUTSIDE FORCES"....

What did this to Mighty Eternity?...................................Magus with his Cosmic Containment Units:

From where?........many Realities away

Many Realities away...

Yet here is Magus, in the Dimension of Manifestation employing Fractals:

If only characters with in a selective Universe have access to the D of M, how is this possible?

Unless any being of enough stature from any Universe can manifest within the Dimension of Manifestations.

I'm reposting this bit of my last post, because the scan seems to have not work.

Here is how Eternity was depicted Catatonic:

And this is how Infinity was depicted in the same issue by the same Artist you say is also Catatonic like Eternity:

"she's IGNORING me, GUESS THIS ISN'T the M-BODY I MET"

I don't see a resemblance, in fact, Infinity seems quite AWARE.

On top of this, Quasar said she was "Ignoring him" not that she was incapable of undertstanding him in any way.

But regardless the Art speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm reposting this bit of my last post, because the scan seems to have not work.

Here is how Eternity was depicted Catatonic:

And this is how Infinity was depicted in the same issue by the same Artist you say is also Catatonic like Eternity:

"she's IGNORING me, GUESS THIS ISN'T the M-BODY I MET"

I don't see a resemblance, in fact, Infinity seems quite AWARE.

On top of this, Quasar said she was "Ignoring him" not that she was incapable of undertstanding him in any way.

But regardless the Art speaks for itself.

Have a wonderful week, off to the Laker game 🙂

I'm with Thanos. The only being was able to shut it down was the Living Tribunal and we all know LT is the second to TOAA. My meaning is

LT >>>Thanos with IG >>> Pheonix Force

Originally posted by Mr Master
HOW did Gamora manage to REACH Eternity's Consciousness hmm?

The Answer:

By ENTERING the M-BODY of Eternity.

the m-body here was a conceptualization, imo, an artists artifice. it was shown to show readers and gamora that she standing outside eternity. how would an artist show this otherwise? should they have some amorphous black cloud represent the universe? are you saying that in its natural state, the universe is . . . humanoid . . .? eternity itself says the universe HAS no physical dimensions, and yet it takes the shape of a humanoid creature? eternity itself also says it was not shown in its totality. we have seen eternity appear the size of galactus and larger, and the size of dr strange. clearly those aren't the same m-bodies. is the totality of the universe encompassed in an m-body the size of dr strange and appearing WITHIN the universe? makes no sense . . .

Thanos became the Universe, by taking Eternity's (the "M-body"😉 place

but he DIDN'T replace the m-body. the m-body remained behind, apparently devoid of a driving force. which makes perfect sense of course because the sentience that drives it WAS replaced. thanos essentially became the life force of the universe. again, why would the m-body remain behind if it was the totality of teh universe?

Originally posted by Rewmac
I'm with Thanos. The only being was able to shut it down was the Living Tribunal and we all know LT is the second to TOAA. My meaning is

LT >>>Thanos with IG >>> Pheonix Force

LT>Phoenix Force>Thanos w/ig

Originally posted by guy222
LT>Phoenix Force>Thanos w/ig

LT>Thanos w/ig>Phoenbix Force

Originally posted by Rewmac
I'm with Thanos. The only being was able to shut it down was the Living Tribunal and we all know LT is the second to TOAA. My meaning is

LT >>>Thanos with IG >>> Pheonix Force

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Good post from Leo that deals with the Guardians of the Galaxy/Gamora issue

It doesn't make you right in any way though.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Really? Just representations you say? That’s not what you were arguing ten pages back my friend
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/426282_21-thanos-with-ig-vs-white-crown-phoenix

and I thought that’s what you were disputing here? 😕

It's funny how you threw up this meaningless link to throw people off from the facts I'm presenting as to discredit my thoroughness.

Nice try duke, but I invite anyone to point out to me where in that link I said anything different than what I'm saying now.

I never said Eternity's M-body was just a "representation" I said it's a representation of his TOTALITY!!!

😆

You humor me sometimes duke.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He was merging them.

And correction, he lost to Eternity and Infinity. And the Gauntlet was still incomplete.

Courtesy of Mr. Master. The Force getting owned by a starship.

Sing birdy, sing. serenade

Note: Don't even try it. It's not a version of the Force. It's the Force itself. If you disagree, post scans FROM THIS BOOK proving your case. You can't. Cause it's the Force getting owned, then later owned by the X-Men and Ultra Force.

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