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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Not to me you weren't. You told me that Magus' was manipulating Quasar himself and not the nullifier.
If you read back, I listed several possibilities, one of which is that Magus manipulated the nullification energies.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
You're getting confused here. Quasar was not the only one who's inexperience here with their weapon at hand. Magus' has just gotten the IG to operate when Quasar pulled the trigger. An inexperienced Magus with an incomplete IG, with but a mere thought, prevented the Nullification energy from erasing his citadel and confining it to just Quasar. Quasar pulled the trigger and did everything right, the IG gave Magus' power over the nullification energy.
No, I'm not. You suggested that Nebula's inexperience explains any deficiencies when she could not detect Adam Warlock. You also suggested that Thanos' relative inexperience explains his inability to affect Maelstrom. That's a double-standard, because you don't apply that very same logic to Quasar, who by any stretch of the imagination, was not an experienced user of the UN. If you did, you wouldn't hold Quasar's ineffectuality against the UN itself. Just like you don't hold Nebula's or Thanos' ineffectuality against the IG itself.
Double.
Standard. Your argument is logical. But it is fallacious because you refuse to apply your logic both ways.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
There is no short comings in that fight. Both were inexperience (with Magus having an incomplete weapon), and the point of those panels were to show off the IG's power. It even states it on there that "a champion learns the word ULTIMATE carries little weight in this current contest of titans." The UN words to concentrating on your target and pulling the trigger, making sure that's all you think about. Anything else would result in a mushroom effect.
It showed that Magus w/ IG could beat Quasar w/ UN. That's all. And when Reed reset the Multiverse with UN, it showed that UN's scope of power > IG's scope of power. Any extraneous thought results in the user's own nullification, it can also result in the nullification of everything. Considering that you fully recognize how dangerous and easily the UN can backfire on it's own user, I find it suspicious that you believe Magus turning it back onto Quasar was this monumental feat of cosmic proportions.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Funny thing being PG Thor couldn't even get pass Thanos, who himself couldn't get pass a skyfather. And Zom? Zom was binded by Eternity and Dormammu. Where does it say Zom lay waste to Eternity? Zom got blown away like the wind just at the presence of LT.Adept IG users have pimp slapped Eternity and every other cosmics save LT.
And that's the best it's ever done, whereas the UN reset the entire Marvel Multiverse in a single panel. Don't ignore the simplicity of this comparison. The UN did more than the IG ever did. UN > IG.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
LOL. What's the limitation again? That he's never used it before? Like Reed has ever used it before. And why are you scuffing at him merging two universes? 5 Cubes that created a universe along with 25 other Cubes were still below the IG. Let's ignore that as well.
That Quasar sucks with the UN. Reed didn't suck with the UN, that simple. I wholeheartedly acknowledge that Magus merged two universes. I also wholeheartedly acknowledge that 30 CCUs could create one and then merge two universes. That doesn't change the fact that when compared to the complete resetting of the entire Marvel Multiverse, such feats are utterly laughable in comparison.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Is that so? Reed's never used the IG before but since Galactus trusts in him, therefore Reed's a more competent user? Thanos trusted Quasar too so why are you saying Quasar was incapable of using the UN properly?
Reed's a more competent user because Galactus put it into Reed's hands, Reed understood what he had to do, and Reed actually did it. Quasar is a less competent user because Thanos explicitly ridicules his supposed "trusted choice," Quasar struggled for several pages to activate it and then utterly failed.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
His goal was to fire it and destroy the Magus' stronghold and only it. What does that look like to you in these scans? He fired it.
Quasar #40Here's Magus controlling the nullification energy and turning it on only Quasar.
Infinity War 5
That's Magus turning the UN back onto Quasar. It's speculation he controlled the nullfication energy. As stated before, it's a possibility that is just as cogent as Magus using the Mind Gem on Quasar, or the Space Gem to teleport Quasar into the nullification sphere, etc. Yet, even should we stipulate that Magus turned those energies back onto Quasar, you still ignore your fallacious reliance of Black Alice > Spectre rationale. Manipulating another's powers does not necessarily suggest that you possess a greater scope of personal power. Black Alice may have punked Spectre, but no way is Black Alice more personally powerful than Spectre.
Everything else you said is repeating the same fallacious logic above: (i) you're using double-standards which I completely cornered you into; (ii) you're relying on simplistic logic; and (iii) you're ignoring the plain and obvious.
In summation: (i) Magus w/IG > Quasar w/UN is a reflection of the wielder's capability, not the artifact's capability, as you so convincingly argue for when trying to excuse Nebula's ignorance of Warlock and Thanos' impotency against Maelstrom; (ii) even assuming that Magus manipulated the UN's energies directly, BA > Spectre rationale fails, since manipulation of another's energies does not necessitate possessing a greater scope of personal power; because: (iii) we both know Black Alice may have punked Spectre, but on her own she does not have feats over Spectre and we both know that an IG user may have punked a UN user, but on its own the IG does not have feats over UN.
Originally posted by id369
The interesting part is that the structure of the entire argument make sense, but only if you buy into Ad Ignorantiam.Otherwise its clear where UN or IG stand if you take into account raw showings.
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