Profanity and manners, just as annoying as political correctness.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It does matter. If people don't know what shit means, but can use it in a sentence, is it okay for them to say it? IF people don't know what die means, but can use it in a sentence, should they?You say it's okay to say a word to make people happy. Isn't humouring someone the same thing?
But happy isn't used constantly to make someone do something for you is it?
That is not my argument, my argument is that please has no value and that forcing your children to do say it also is wrong.
In some countries, society is against gays and abortion. Are they wrong?
Manners are a set of rules imposed upon people. Your parents tell you to use them, certain people shun you for not using them, and some people believe manners should be taught in schools and policed.
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If you looked at all the definitions on that page, you would've seen the one I used.

First of all, they DO know what it means. Their use of it demostrates that. They just cannot give a dictionary definition. I did explain that to you. Try and read my points properly next time.

Secondly, it does not matter what 'happy' is used for. I used it as an example of a word that is continuously used correctly even though it is very hard to give a dictionary definition for. Just like 'please'. Get it?

Thirdly. if yopur argument is that 'please' has no value, then you are still totally wrong. As I have already explained, it is a natural addition to any language due to a commonly occuring desire amongst people for there to be ways of verbally expressing respect and politeness. That is the word that does it; if you cannot be bothered to use it makes you ruse and that is a criticism of you.

Fourthly, countries that are against gays and what-not are normally those countries considered rather immoral. it is contemptible to make out that the structure of manners, politeness and respect in most countries can be compared to the persecution of gays. Obviously you don't realise such values, but again, that just counts against you as a person.

Fifthly, Manners are not a set of rules created by some Governmental or bureaucratic body and overliad on society. Like I say, they come from society itself. Yes, parents enforce those rules upon their kids. Rather like they enforce them not to steal or hurt others. It so happens that laudable things do have to be enforced on kids. That is different from it being enforced on society.

Lastly, as regards the dictionary definition- no I do not, and you are a liar.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
First of all, they DO know what it means. Their use of it demostrates that. They just cannot give a dictionary definition. I did explain that to you. Try and read my points properly next time.

Secondly, it does not matter what 'happy' is used for. I used it as an example of a word that is continuously used correctly even though it is very hard to give a dictionary definition for. Just like 'please'. Get it?

Thirdly. if yopur argument is that 'please' has no value, then you are still totally wrong. As I have already explained, it is a natural addition to any language due to a commonly occuring desire amongst people for there to be ways of verbally expressing respect and politeness. That is the word that does it; if you cannot be bothered to use it makes you ruse and that is a criticism of you.

Fourthly, countries that are against gays and what-not are normally those countries considered rather immoral. it is contemptible to make out that the structure of manners, politeness and respect in most countries can be compared to the persecution of gays. Obviously you don't realise such values, but again, that just counts against you as a person.

Fifthly, Manners are not a set of rules created by some Governmental or bureaucratic body and overliad on society. Like I say, they come from society itself. Yes, parents enforce those rules upon their kids. Rather like they enforce them not to steal or hurt others. It so happens that laudable things do have to be enforced on kids. That is different from it being enforced on society.

Lastly, as regards the dictionary definition- no I do not, and you are a liar.

It's not that it's difficult to define, it's that it's used as an excuse to look polite, rather than by it's real definition.

That's not my argument. My argument, is that manners have no purpose because the words aren't used to their definitions, the words are not necessary, and the words are forced upon minors, which is wrong because it's teaching children to be just like their parents.

Politeness and respect I don't have a problem with. I do agree with you that politeness is a must, as I've already stated and respect is also necessary. But manners are like a substitue to politeness. They are meaningless, unnecessary and not needed.

Bad manners is not immoral. That's just ludicrous.

You didn't see it did you, and I am not a liar. Here's the definition I used.

po·lite (p-lt) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "polite" [P]
adj. po·lit·er, po·lit·est

1. Marked by or showing consideration for others, tact, and observance of accepted social usage.
2. Refined; elegant: polite society.

Originally posted by lord xyz
They DON'T know what it means, they think it's something you can add to look polite. To me, that's subconscious bigotism.

It's not that it's difficult to define, it's that it's used as an excuse to look polite, rather than by it's real definition.

Why are you continually saying that? What are you getting out of it?

You seem to be pushing the idea that if someone cannot define the word, it has no meaning. I know what please means, me not being able to actually define it does not mean the word does not have a meaning. It simply means I can't define it, not that it has no definition.

Do you understand that?

Originally posted by lord xyz
That's not my argument. My argument, is that manners have no purpose because the words aren't used to their definitions.

They don't need to be used to their definitions for people to know what the word implies. It's not necessary to know.

I don't need to know the exact definition of "Please" to know why someone is using it (Whether genuine or not). You are falsely and needlessly connecting two ideas.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Politeness and respect I don't have a problem with. I do agree with you that politeness is a must, as I've already stated and respect is also necessary. But manners are like a substitue to politeness. They are meaningless, unnecessary and not needed.

Being meaningless and having no literal meaning are two different things, why can you not understand that?

The overuse of the word "Please" may have rendered it's power meaningless in your opinion, but the word still has a meaning, and that meaning is all you need to know. You don't need to now how to define the word in order to APPLY the meaning.

I'll show you again:

Please:

Used as a polite addition to requests, commands, etc. "If you would be so obliging."; Kindly (As in, in a kind manner): "Please come here.", "Will you please turn the radio off?".

In all of those instances, the person on the receiving end of the requests does not need to know how to define "Please" in order to know why it is being used.

You already got scared to reply to VVD, now to me, let's see how long you can continue ignoring people.

-AC

I am sorry that I missed VVD's post, I didn't see it.

Now reply to mine also, please (See?).

-AC