The compass

SavvySparrow. Even PotC 1 showed us this Odyssey (odysseus/Jack) type resemblance I remember watching it and thinking.."HA! Jack is stranded on an island and he's forced to be stuck with the female" Then what I find astonishingly similar is how his perspective of Liz/women totally changes after that island experience (peas in a pod scene) and the ending.

Its so weird how they have now introduced Calypso into the new stoey. What an odd choice of character. As is the Kraken to add into PotC. Its like they have now made it so Calypso is the reason why Jack is changing to suit Elizabeth..not the encounter with Liz on the island of movie 1..

the The only time Calypso was brought into an ancient story as a character was the Odyssey I believe (correct me if I'm wrong)

I cant remember but I think someone, one of the J/E shippers on KttC told me how T&T liked the ancient myths and legends etc

Now that's very interesting. It's been a really long time since I read the Oydessy. I can only remember bits and pieces of it because I was too young to appreciate it. All I remember is that Oydessus leaves, his faithful wife waits, there's a battle at Troy in which the Greeks use a horse, instead of dresses (Wooden horse.) Sorry couldn't resist.
Somehow, he makes Athena mad, so he spends a long time trying to get home. I guess this proves that I should review my myths.
And you're right, Jack is very similar in character to Oydessus. If I remember correctly, they share a fondness for trickery rather than for blood. Isn't there another character that's a foil of Oydesses? There's one character who wants war above all else with Troy. Maybe Agamendon? If that's correct, then he's strikingly similar to Will in that respect.

Yes it really is similar. Remember Liz said something like "you slipped past 100 spies of the east India company" maybe he did something similar to Odysseus with the wooden horse.

We also learn that he's a master of disguise (Just like Oddy) "impersonating a cleric in the church of England" 😂 I frigging love how he giggles at that..he's like "ahh yes, memories!"

Elizabeth does something here that reminds me of Penelope. She tricks the other men so that Jack can escape..If i remember correctly Penelope is basically Odysseus's equal in the Odyssey. Elizabeth is Jack's match for sure in PotC 1 and 2

Here is what my copy of the Odyssey says about Oddy:

Odysseus the hero with 1000 disguises

There have been 3 common responses to the hero of the Odyssey. First he is the loyal hero-husband, who's eyes are fixed on one goal only: To return home. What ever his trials, tribulations and temptations, everything is subsumed to this ultimate imperative. Second. He is the eternal wanderer, fired with a passion for knowledge and experience, and intellect, He is often quoted to be intelligent and quick of wit. Third he is an anti-hero. A mean, selfish time server, who employs disguise and deceit to gain the most disreputable ends.

that is like... soooooooo Jack 😂

we think Jack is an enigma but I think he can pretty much be placed aside Odysseus. He can be sussed out because of that.

does he piss off Athena in the Illiad?

He pees off Poseidon (sea god) in the Odyssey I know that much. He owes him his soul

Davy anyone?

no thank you..

lol I meant Davy is basicaly Poseidon from the Oddysey

Jack's ultimate nemisis

I thought I remembered that he displeases Athena in some way, so that she decides not to help him on the journey home. Which, actually even though Tia is Calypso, she is a lot like Athena in that she is a spiritual guide. (The crab claws).

I was thinking that maybe Jack's string of bad luck may have something to do with Tia and his choices in the past. On the DMC game, one of the items you can pick up is a Voodoo doll. When the item is explained it says: never cross a Voodoo Queen who knows your likeness. The likeness is of Jack. Is that foreshadowing, or something that has occurred in the past?

Poseiden is the sea god. And Calypso is the sea goddess. Am I right. I have seen the Odyssey exactly twice.

SavvySparrow I thought Jack actually had good luck all of a sudden..recently he seems to be getting by mostly on luck..as Johnny says "miraculously running between the rain drops".

But this luck hasn't always been there, he's been through many scrapes where he has had to be brave..he's got scars...then all of a sudden he's lucky..and now with DMC his luck has run out.

Calypso protected Odysseus from Poseidon's rage for 7 years..on the 7th he left for Penelope...and Poseidon royally sought vengeance on him as soon as he made a choice to leave Calypso..

...suspicious lol. Tia knows Jack loves Elizabeth. Has she let him go. luck and all. Jack still seems to have that luck on the cannibal Island but as SOON as he meets Tia and she finds out he's "in love" with Liz? It goes.

I agree Tia is like Athene/Circe/Calypso all rolled into one 😄

then how funny..it seems as if Its Will who has the luck wouldn't you agree?

Im not sure if we should compare DMC with the Odyssey. But I cant deny that the simmilarities are quiet interesting and intriguing. I wonder if TED/Terry did this withougt thinking of its comparissons or they really took this into a lot of thought.

I think they are. Its so similar. Odysseus practically goes through the same thing Jack does at the end of DMC start of AWE..he's reborn again from the waves and now knows how to understand the female and use this knowledge to his advantage.

Besides Calypso was added on to this story. So it only makes sense to compare to the Odyssey.

yuh huh 😄^^

Savvysparrow. Last night you said something that interests me. Liz was waiting for Jack to be angry with her and respond badly to her actions.

Last time he was so angry with her and IMO this makes it easy for her to betray him and leave him.

This time its so different.

Its like she was trying to end her feelings for Jack..but also trying to end Jack's feelings for her in that scene with her actions..and it actually showed us that Liz's plans backfire and she knows it.

she almsot kissed him again and he's totally in love with her now.

It made him smile more the fact that she couldnt resist. I think al this plan that Liz thought was brilliant all backfired. She never expected him to be so calm about it and smile during the process.

I dont think she expected to be SO taken by the kiss either^^

Its like she had "angry face" all set and ready in motion but then she was basically breathless and shaking in the matter of a heartbeat

Also in melodramas the music is key in situations where actions are speaking louder than words. The music is CLEARLY reflecting Elizabeth's emotions/facial expressions in this scene and not Jack's, because
A) we don't see his face as she goes in for the kiss..
B) the music is very sad and desperate and Jack is smiling
C) as she's leaving..it shows you just how bloody hard she is finding this whole situation its emotional and physical torture to her..its like her heart is physically aching and is reflected in the music..its TORMENTING music here as she is leaving and she looks at Will its like "DAMN you Will Turner!!" as if its his fault she's doing what she's doing.

The is music reflecting exactly how she feels during this entire scene, its a handy device to use when words simply cant express ones true emotions in films. Typical melodrmatic scene indeedy.

EDIT - although its not all entirely matching her emotions..some moments are there to create a feeling for the audience like suspence for example when she leaves and just as she chains him up.

I think she thought her plan was genious, but it turned out to backfire on her lol.

Jack showed her great loyalty and sacrifice for her. Made her realize she had feelings for Jack. So the only way to get rid of the temptation was to chain him up and since he owes his debt to Davey. So she thought One kiss, just one taste and it will be over. No one has to know about it But she wasnt expecting to be so taken by the kiss like you said, LovelyOne.

So her plan of kissing him and chaining him up and pretend as if nothing happend all turned caca for her. And certainly did not expect Jacks reaction to all this. She was more pissed at herself for wanting Jack and leaning back for another kiss. She was angry that Jack simply said Pirate she was just pissed bc it looked as if it was Jack who won her over 😂

By the end she was crying in regret of chaining up the man she loves. She so wanted more of him, she was so sorry lol Its written all over her face.

guys, i've had a revelation, and after all this explaining, I've got it figured out.

It works for whoever was holding it last, it works for whoever looked at it last, it works for whoever the camera pans to, it was pointing to Liz and the chest, it was pointing to Will, it was pointing to Jack and the chest, and it was just pointing to Jack.

😄 all figured out. HAHAHA. oh gee...

💃 lets celebrate, Good one Kate!!

Originally posted by diddly-dum
Whats this whole deal about the compass?? I think you guys are over analysing things. I think the compass really has no more importance than what it shows,.. Really guys stop over analysing these things. Producers/directors don't have to have hidden meanings for all these minute things!!!
Well,.. thats all I have to say.