The Ultimate Street Fight

Wait. Are we usiung Bat-God here? The same Bat-God that can figure out the world's greatest mysteries while literally sleeping and in a coma? I thought we were using the standard (hah!), non-universe-killing Batman?

He's NOT going to figure out that DD is blind during their fight. When they met, he didn't even figure it out until WELL after the fight. Batman is going to be so busy trying not to get his ass kicked, he'll never have a chance to realize DD is blind. Thus, he'll just try and out martial arts him, or use batarangs or something. In that case, DD is superior due to his senses.

Cage can toss Wolverine into the next county. He IS in fact that strong. And Spider-Man can, in fact, suffucate him if he really wants to. We've seen what a non-holding back Spider-Man can do to him.

I didn't think T'Challa's anti-metal claws worked on Cap's shield, but I could be wrong as well. Evidence?

Honestly, however, I think that Black Panther would get the majority over Cap, but since they're not fighting, there's no worry there.

There is no way that Black Panther would be able to stalemate Spidey for "a long, long time". If he wanted to, Spidey would wreck T'Challa. Hell, written properly, Spider-Man can take out the entire team himself. He's done more impressive before, in my book.

Batman is by far the first to go down. From there, it's a steady win for Team 1.

Team 1 may be a bit more powerful than team 2, but team 2 is much more deadly. While team one can rely mostly on their fists and strength, team 2 can resort to adamantium claws, explosive batarangs, panther's daggers, and Iron Fist's fists which are deadly.

no, not badgod, metalmanx. But in the 5 minute briefing, they are giving info on the other team and any notable qualities. Thus team 2 will be informed that DD is blind and relies on sonar.

I've never seen anyone throw wolverine more than a couple hundred feet, and that was the savage hulk mad. So unless Cage is now as strong as the incredible hulk, I doubt that he could. Also I doubt wolverine will just allow Cage to grab him and chuck him like a football. You also have to remember that wolverine held his own against much tougher enemies (savage hulk, juggernaut) and survived. So he can definitely take what spiderman or luke cage can dish on him.

Team 1: Captain America, Dare Devil, Luke Cage, and Spiderman

versus

Team 2: Iron Fist, Black Panther, Batman, and Wolverine

With 5 minutes prep Batman poses a serious threat to DD, if he has a sonar-thingy (is that the technical term?). DD's senses are so super-sensitive, he'll be completely disoriented, and effectively out of the fight (because it's not gonna be a long fight, if I'm any judge).

However, that still leaves Captain America, Spiderman and Cage, and, according to Wiki: "In their first meeting, Cage and Spider-Man appeared to be roughly equal in physical strength (Amazing Spider-Man #123, August 1973). However, subsequent experimentation by Noah Burstein appears to have increased Cage's strength considerably."

And Captain America is a better tactician than Batman, in my opinion (though not by much). I would have Spiderman throw a web on Wolverine, and sling him away so far that before he gets back the fight is over (because that healing power is annoying 😛 so instead of fighting him, I'd just remove him from the fight). Spiderman is fast and strong enough to do it.

That leaves Batman, Iron Fist and Black Panther. I would put Spiderman against Black Panther, Cap against Batman and Cage against Iron Fist. Spiderman should take BP, Cap will/might take Batman (not sure) and Cage should keep Iron Fist busy for long enough that after Spiderman took BP, he can assist either Cap or Cage, whichever needs his help most urgently.

I still think team 1 has a slight edge... I'd give it to them 6, maybe 7 out of 10...

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, not badgod, metalmanx. But in the 5 minute briefing, they are giving info on the other team and any notable qualities. Thus team 2 will be informed that DD is blind and relies on sonar.

I've never seen anyone throw wolverine more than a couple hundred feet, and that was the savage hulk mad. So unless Cage is now as strong as the incredible hulk, I doubt that he could. Also I doubt wolverine will just allow Cage to grab him and chuck him like a football. You also have to remember that wolverine held his own against much tougher enemies (savage hulk, juggernaut) and survived. So he can definitely take what spiderman or luke cage can dish on him.

Venom has flung Wolverine away like a rag doll before IIRC. He's also been flung back from telekineis too but that probably doesn't count here.

Besides, in NA Cage flung Wolverine away pretty easily. It wasn't more than a few yards but you can tell it was minimal effort

Spiderman could, very easily, take Wolverine out of the fight right to begin with. Web him up, and hammer throw him as far as he can. Will it KO or even injure wolverine? No, but it gives the rest of the team plenty of time to whittle the rest down.

On the Batman vs. Daredevil note, we are only looking at one sided prep. Yes, Daredevil has INSANE senses, but he doesn't primarily rely on his hearing. Rather, he relies on his radar sense. Thusly, I'd argue that Daredevil, KNOWING that batman has all sorts of gadgetry, makes some sort of 'earplug,' perhaps out of Spiderman's webbing. While this puts him at a slight disadvantage, I'd say his radar sense is plenty accurate enough for him to keep up with the others WITHOUT the benefit of sound.

Now, assuming Wolverine is still in the next city block, and is currently hailing a cab back to the fight, it'll be a non-sonicly-affected Daredevil vs. Batman, Captain America vs. Black Panther and Luke Cage versus Iron fist.

Not bad match-ups, in my opinion. However, I would say that T'challa would lose a slight majority of the time to Captain America, I'd say that Batman would definitely lose to a top notch Daredevil, and at the BEST stalemate the hearing impaired one. And...well...Luke Cage and Iron Fist? They could deal with each other for long enough.

But wait...we're ignoring Team 1's biggest gun! Spidey! He could, quite literally, sit on his ass, out of reach of Team 2, and simply assist every other combatant. Throw some webbing on Batman's feet, pull them out from under him, right into an Uppercut from daredevil. Throw a web net on Iron Fist, right as he's going for a flying kick, and do similar to T'challa.

One on one, each fight was great, but with Spidey as back up, it's a curbstomp!

Then, by the time Wolverine returns, it's a full team versus him, and there is NO WAY that Wolverine even gets 1/10 on Spiderman, Captain America, Daredevil, AND Luke Cage. No way.

Team one for the win.

Originally posted by masterbruce
no, not badgod, metalmanx. But in the 5 minute briefing, they are giving info on the other team and any notable qualities. Thus team 2 will be informed that DD is blind and relies on sonar.

I've never seen anyone throw wolverine more than a couple hundred feet, and that was the savage hulk mad. So unless Cage is now as strong as the incredible hulk, I doubt that he could. Also I doubt wolverine will just allow Cage to grab him and chuck him like a football. You also have to remember that wolverine held his own against much tougher enemies (savage hulk, juggernaut) and survived. So he can definitely take what spiderman or luke cage can dish on him.

The Wrecker threw Wolverine like...what seemed to be AT LEAST a couple miles away. In the New Avengers series. And Cage is either as strong or stronger than the Wrecker. It wasn't that difficult. He just grabbed Wolverine's wrist as Wolvie was trying to slash him and tossed him. Pretty simple for cage to do as well. 😬

That 5 minute briefing seems to be a GIANT disadvantage towards Team 1, especially since DD is the only one with any real weakness here. Although, if Batman uses sonics, he'll put Wolverine down, too (if he's still in the same zip code, that is). Wolvie's senses aren't as good as DD's, but still enhanced enough to the point where sonics would put him down.

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman could, very easily, take Wolverine out of the fight right to begin with. Web him up, and hammer throw him as far as he can. Will it KO or even injure wolverine? No, but it gives the rest of the team plenty of time to whittle the rest down.

On the Batman vs. Daredevil note, we are only looking at one sided prep. Yes, Daredevil has INSANE senses, but he doesn't primarily rely on his hearing. Rather, he relies on his radar sense. Thusly, I'd argue that Daredevil, KNOWING that batman has all sorts of gadgetry, makes some sort of 'earplug,' perhaps out of Spiderman's webbing. While this puts him at a slight disadvantage, I'd say his radar sense is plenty accurate enough for him to keep up with the others WITHOUT the benefit of sound.

Now, assuming Wolverine is still in the next city block, and is currently hailing a cab back to the fight, it'll be a non-sonicly-affected Daredevil vs. Batman, Captain America vs. Black Panther and Luke Cage versus Iron fist.

Not bad match-ups, in my opinion. However, I would say that T'challa would lose a slight majority of the time to Captain America, I'd say that Batman would definitely lose to a top notch Daredevil, and at the BEST stalemate the hearing impaired one. And...well...Luke Cage and Iron Fist? They could deal with each other for long enough.

But wait...we're ignoring Team 1's biggest gun! Spidey! He could, quite literally, sit on his ass, out of reach of Team 2, and simply assist every other combatant. Throw some webbing on Batman's feet, pull them out from under him, right into an Uppercut from daredevil. Throw a web net on Iron Fist, right as he's going for a flying kick, and do similar to T'challa.

One on one, each fight was great, but with Spidey as back up, it's a curbstomp!

Then, by the time Wolverine returns, it's a full team versus him, and there is NO WAY that Wolverine even gets 1/10 on Spiderman, Captain America, Daredevil, AND Luke Cage. No way.

Team one for the win.

That's a damn accurate assessment. The ONLY thing I disagree with, is that I think T'Challa gets the slight majority against Cap. But, fortunately for Team 1 and masterbruce's specifications, Cap won't be fighting BP.

But I really like that idea to make ear plugs for DD using Spidey's webbing or something else like that. That's smart, I never really considered that.

team 1 takes this.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's a damn accurate assessment. The ONLY thing I disagree with, is that I think T'Challa gets the slight majority against Cap. But, fortunately for Team 1 and masterbruce's specifications, Cap won't be fighting BP.

But I really like that idea to make ear plugs for DD using Spidey's webbing or something else like that. That's smart, I never really considered that.

bah! ultimate street fight...and no Puck? 😛

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Wrecker threw Wolverine like...what seemed to be AT LEAST a couple miles away. In the New Avengers series. And Cage is either as strong or stronger than the Wrecker. It wasn't that difficult. He just grabbed Wolverine's wrist as Wolvie was trying to slash him and tossed him. Pretty simple for cage to do as well. 😬

That 5 minute briefing seems to be a GIANT disadvantage towards Team 1, especially since DD is the only one with any real weakness here. Although, if Batman uses sonics, he'll put Wolverine down, too (if he's still in the same zip code, that is). Wolvie's senses aren't as good as DD's, but still enhanced enough to the point where sonics would put him down.

I was just gonna add that Bruce with sonics also takes down Wolverine. Nice point

I see Team 1 taking this.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Yeah, that's pretty smooth. Bats will be all cocky thinking he got a trump card an DD will just start boppin' him in the face w/the stick. Watch though, when wolvie gets back he'll somehow be able to take Cage punches right in the face and not budge. He'll be faster than Spidey too 🙁 You know how Marvel do.

If the earplugs are powerful enough to block the effects of a sonic-attack, wouldn't it diminish his actual senses as well? 😕

Oh, and Team 2 for the win:

I'm even gonna bar sonics for this.

My first reaction was Team One ftw, but then I thought about it more. And I just wanted to be contrary. 😛

Bats vs. Cap- Bats ftw. Yes, Cap is probably a better tactician. Only by a very small amount though. However, Bats has two things going for him: His gadgets. And his cunning. Bats has held his own against tons of enemies, completley defensive until he's formulated a plan, and then he puts it into action. After deflecting a couple Batarangs, he would realize the sheild was extremley tough. He may also realize that Cap has no actual superhuman feats going for him. He would hold his own until he knows what to do, and then it's done for Cap.

Daredevil vs. Black Panther- BP takes it 7/10. I'm not discrediting DD- but Bp's gadgets give him the edge. Because, Daredevil would take the win, except that, all BP has to do is get a couple of hits. DD has shrugged off major hits before by simply rolling with them when he can't dodge. But, BP's enhanced speed, combined with both his claws and his knives mean he CAN hit DD and CAN take a win. A majority, even.

Ironfist and Wolverine vs. Spiderman and Luke Cage-
The problem with Wolverine is that people don't realize when he's at his best. He gets discredited for one on one battles, but his true deadly nature comes into play in Multi-melee battles. His feral side makes him extremley deadly to anyone around him. His speed and reflexes allow him to go from target to target, and his instincts, senses and overall H2H amazing skill means he can follow through. And his Healing Factor keeps him in the game.
Combine all of that with a man who's on of the MU's most talentd MA's when he's NOT using his chi, and you've got a very dangerours situation. When he is using his Chi, he's a superhuman martial artist. Just upping the danger.

People say that, if written properly, Wolvy should be removed from battle a few seconds in. But thats a wrtieen properly Cage/SM vs. a NOT written properly Wolverine. If written properly, Cage shouldn't be fast enough to catch him, and except for very close range, webbing shouldn't either. And if anybody DOES grab him, they shouldn't be able to hold him long enough to throw him. And he should be able to cut Cage's skin- it's ranked as hard as titanium. And Wolvy's cut titanium before.
Iron Fist is capable of holding his own against either contestant. Granted, Spidy would probably get a win, but not immediatley. And Cage would go down.

I reckon the two on two fight would last long enough for the other members of team two to come along, and make it a three or even four on two fight.

Team Two 7/10.

Anyone else supporting team 2 ftw?

Team 1: Captain America, Dare Devil, Luke Cage, and Spiderman

versus

Team 2: Iron Fist, Black Panther, Batman, and Wolverine

hard to say.

Team 2's strat or the way i see it going:

Daredevil vs Batman: Batman. why? sonics. plain and simple. if not, a flashbang, if not that, an exploding batarang etc.

Wolverine vs Cage: Wolverine. why? Cage gets gutted. yes, even with his steel-hard skin, those claws are indestructible and can go through anything. ive seen wolves many-a-times slash guns to shreds which are steel, so there ya have it.

Black Panther vs Cap: Black Panther. hes been known to beat Cap and i dont see what would stop him here from doing it again. better equipment/gadgetry, weapons.

and Spiderman takes on whoevers left which is Iron Fist and whoever finishes their fight and wins first, which i think would be Bats, via sonics, and then Wolverine with his claws and they could teamup on Spiderman while BP takes down Cap still, which IMO will be awhile.
but then again, Spideys not just gunna be standing around while his other 3 teammates get beat, but i think Iron Fist could hold off spidey some while all of spidermans team mates get beat.

Team 1's strat:

Spidey kicks wolvie out the fight, webs him up and tosses him several street blocks. ahh, thats better 😄 and Team 2 just gets completely pwned.

Batman beats DD again, but then Spiderman KOs or kills Batman in one punch, so they cancel out.

Cap beats IF, then they gang up on BP and gang bang him.

most likely overall, id say team 1 wins. 6/10 its really close though.

Originally posted by braz
Team 1: Captain America, Dare Devil, Luke Cage, and Spiderman

versus

Team 2: Iron Fist, Black Panther, Batman, and Wolverine

hard to say.

Team 2's strat or the way i see it going:

Daredevil vs Batman: Batman. why? sonics. plain and simple. if not, a flashbang, if not that, an exploding batarang etc.

Wolverine vs Cage: Wolverine. why? Cage gets gutted. yes, even with his steel-hard skin, those claws are indestructible and can go through anything. ive seen wolves many-a-times slash guns to shreds which are steel, so there ya have it.

Black Panther vs Cap: Black Panther. hes been known to beat Cap and i dont see what would stop him here from doing it again. better equipment/gadgetry, weapons.

and Spiderman takes on whoevers left which is Iron Fist and whoever finishes their fight and wins first, which i think would be Bats, via sonics, and then Wolverine with his claws and they could teamup on Spiderman while BP takes down Cap still, which IMO will be awhile.
but then again, Spideys not just gunna be standing around while his other 3 teammates get beat, but i think Iron Fist could hold off spidey some while all of spidermans team mates get beat.

Team 1's strat:

Spidey kicks wolvie out the fight, webs him up and tosses him several street blocks. ahh, thats better 😄 and Team 2 just gets completely pwned.

Batman beats DD again, but then Spiderman KOs or kills Batman in one punch, so they cancel out.

Cap beats IF, then they gang up on BP and gang bang him.

most likely overall, id say team 1 wins. 6/10 its really close though.

Not that it helps my case... but I'd like to point out that Cage's skin has the strength of titanium, not steel. Wolvy should still be able to stab him, but I thought I'd let you know.

ok. regardless, Cage's team still wins IMO. barely though. just too much strength and speed on one side. 😬

I think everyone is underestimating batman here. He is an incredibly good fighter and peak human, but more importantly, he's the smartest guy in this scenario, bar none. He is freaking resourceful as hell, so don't expect him to go down easily or quickly, he will definitely be a nuisance to team 1.

Batman will realize that he's outpowered physically against anyone on the opposing team (except maybe DD) so he won't resort only to fighting to ensure his team's victory and maybe serve more as a support figure.

Also, no one is chucking wolverine miles away. Wolverine ain't gonna just stand there and let Cage grab him or Spidey web him. Is there anyone more ferocious than an angry wolverine? He will make anyone he fights regret the day they were born or die trying.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I think everyone is underestimating batman here. He is an incredibly good fighter and peak human, but more importantly, he's the smartest guy in this scenario, bar none. He is freaking resourceful as hell, so don't expect him to go down easily or quickly, he will definitely be a nuisance to team 1.

Batman will realize that he's outpowered physically against anyone on the opposing team (except maybe DD) so he won't resort only to fighting to ensure his team's victory and maybe serve more as a support figure.

Also, no one is chucking wolverine miles away. Wolverine ain't gonna just stand there and let Cage grab him or Spidey web him. Is there anyone more ferocious than an angry wolverine? He will make anyone he fights regret the day they were born or die trying.

So...spiderman couldn't stay, say...fifty feet from Wolverine, lay down a blanket of webbing, enrapture him, and hammer-throw him a few blocks? 🤨