Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You're forgetting a couple things. First off, I never said they would win. I said they could hold their own until their other team members arrive.Secondly, Wolverine is a much much much smarter fighter then Spiderman. It often doesn't seem like it, because writers make it seem like all he does is stab something, smoke a cigar and say 'bub'. But, the fact is, he is a very talented, skilled, smart and expierienced fighter. And if he's not going to get tagged by Spiderman, then, SM probably eventually could, but it would take him some serious work. Don't presume that it's going to be so simple for the web-slinger
...But it would. 😐
Originally posted by masterbruceQuite a few of Spiderman's villans would own Wolverine.
Wolverine faces much tougher foes on a regular basis than spiderman. He doesn't have clowns as enemies (ie Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, etc)
No matter how much you whine about Spiderman being a loser, it still doesn't change the fact he brings more to the table than some claws and healing.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Quite a few of Spiderman's villans would own Wolverine.No matter how much you whine about Spiderman being a loser, it still doesn't change the fact he brings more to the table than some claws and healing.
And Spider-man is not one-shotting Batman out. You think Batman just stands there looking stupid? He can dodge AND his team mates can help him. Black Panther could definitely keep Spidey from killing Bruce with all the gadgetry he has.
Originally posted by TshernSpiderman brings more speed, strength, agility, long distance attack, precognitive sense, better travel, and the ability to remain out of his reach. Wolverine is a damage soaker.
Also Wolverine brings something else to the table. Fighting skills, speed, incredible stamina and so forth. Wolverine could in my opinion beat every member of Team 1 apart from Spider-man. He has got what it takes to do it.
Originally posted by TshernWasn't really my argument, but Spiderman has the strength within him to do so. The other members could help Spiderman all of the same. Spiderman is much faster than Spiderman so he won't be dodging him for a long time. I don't know why I was addressed with something I never said though.
And Spider-man is not one-shotting Batman out. You think Batman just stands there looking stupid? He can dodge AND his team mates can help him. Black Panther could definitely keep Spidey from killing Bruce with all the gadgetry he has.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman brings more speed, strength, agility, long distance attack, precognitive sense, better travel, and the ability to remain out of his reach. Wolverine is a damage soaker.Wasn't really my argument, but Spiderman has the strength within him to do so. The other members could help Spiderman all of the same. Spiderman is much faster than Spiderman so he won't be dodging him for a long time. I don't know why I was addressed with something I never said though.
The first one: He sure does bring of those things than Wolverine, I don't even bother arguing anything else, I still have some common sense left. I just wanted to point out that Wolverine has more strength than Cap & DD and is faster than DD, Cap & Luke Cage and so forth. Spider-man is the undisputed king of these areas in this match. Agreed?
The second one: Yeah, I wasn't too clear there, huh? That comment was not pointed to you, but to Metalmanx. Anyways, I still disagree, Batman has dodged Superman's punches and those are probably faster than Spidey's. Batman is not going to stand there and get punched if Team 2 manages to enforce their way of fighting. I posted on page 4 that the outcome depends almost completely on one thing: Who can enforce their tactics? I don't have the answer, but I made quite a nice post of the advantages and disadvantages on page 4. If you're interested, please check it out.
To make it clear, I'm not saying Team 2 wins the majority. Neither am I saying Team 1 does it. There are just too many variables for me to decide anything conclusively, but I don't think there is a clear winner in the battle.
Originally posted by TshernBatman dodging Superman's punches is nothing but PIS as I'm sure you know correct?
The first one: He sure does bring of those things than Wolverine, I don't even bother arguing anything else, I still have some common sense left. I just wanted to point out that Wolverine has more strength than Cap & DD and is faster than DD, Cap & Luke Cage and so forth. Spider-man is the undisputed king of these areas in this match. Agreed?The second one: Yeah, I wasn't too clear there, huh? That comment was not pointed to you, but to Metalmanx. Anyways, I still disagree, Batman has dodged Superman's punches and those are probably faster than Spidey's. Batman is not going to stand there and get punched if Team 2 manages to enforce their way of fighting. I posted on page 4 that the outcome depends almost completely on one thing: Who can enforce their tactics? I don't have the answer, but I made quite a nice post of the advantages and disadvantages on page 4. If you're interested, please check it out.
To make it clear, I'm not saying Team 2 wins the majority. Neither am I saying Team 1 does it. There are just too many variables for me to decide anything conclusively, but I don't think there is a clear winner in the battle.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Batman dodging Superman's punches is nothing but PIS as I'm sure you know correct?
Originally posted by TshernRemember it isn't really dodging bullets, but dodging the gunman or the gunman missing. Spiderman should barely be able to do it once the bullet leaves the chamber.
PIS and/or Supes holding back a lot. Batman knows that Supes won't kill him, so it's easy for him to toy with him. Anyways, it's a bloodlusted Spidey here and he'll be a lot more dangerous than a Superman who is hardly fighting at all. But Batman has quite a few speedfeats as well, he dodges bullets and I believe he could dodge one or two punches, but there's no way he could do it for long. Spider-man will take Bruce down if no-one is there to give Bats a hand. Can you live with this, C-Master?
And yes I can live with that. ✅
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Remember it isn't really dodging bullets, but dodging the gunman or the gunman missing. Spiderman should barely be able to do it once the bullet leaves the chamber.And yes I can live with that. ✅
Originally posted by Tshern
PIS and/or Supes holding back a lot. Batman knows that Supes won't kill him, so it's easy for him to toy with him. Anyways, it's a bloodlusted Spidey here and he'll be a lot more dangerous than a Superman who is hardly fighting at all. But Batman has quite a few speedfeats as well, he dodges bullets and I believe he could dodge one or two punches, but there's no way he could do it for long. Spider-man will take Bruce down if no-one is there to give Bats a hand. Can you live with this, C-Master?
The thing is, given both Spider-Man's and Batman's speed...it really won't be a challenge at all for Spidey to tag him. Superman holds back A HELL OF A LOT when fighting Batman. Otherwise, he would have him dead in a split second. A Spider-Man not holding back? Bruce doesn't stand a chance. I respect Batman and all, but I don't see him dodging even one punch from a Spider-Man that wants to hit him (precognitive sense, faster reflexes and all that).
And no, Black Panther can't really stall Spidey all that much. BP is hardcore and all, but Spidey is his superior. Some well-placed webbing can easily put BP out of comission.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The thing is, given both Spider-Man's and Batman's speed...it really won't be a challenge at all for Spidey to tag him. Superman holds back A HELL OF A LOT when fighting Batman. Otherwise, he would have him dead in a split second. A Spider-Man not holding back? Bruce doesn't stand a chance. I respect Batman and all, but I don't see him dodging even one punch from a Spider-Man that wants to hit him (precognitive sense, faster reflexes and all that).And no, Black Panther can't really stall Spidey all that much. BP is hardcore and all, but Spidey is his superior. Some well-placed webbing can easily put BP out of comission.
I can see you point, but I disagree. Batman is a lot slower than Spider-man, there is no arguing about that, but I think he can dodge a shot or two, although not longer. Spidersense is not helping (correct me if I'm wrong) Spidey by telling him were Batman dodges, it counters Bat's offensive maneuevers (which are non-existent in Bat vs Spidey fight). I guess we have to agree that we disagree. Fine with that?
I think Black Panther can hold his own until someone defeats his foe and assists BP. Vibranium armor, enhanced speed, reflexes, senses, fighting skills and gadgetry are enough to keep Spidey at bay for a while. But it seems we're not agreeing on this either, so there's no need to post more explanations, we both understand our points, don't we?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The thing is, given both Spider-Man's and Batman's speed...it really won't be a challenge at all for Spidey to tag him. Superman holds back A HELL OF A LOT when fighting Batman. Otherwise, he would have him dead in a split second. A Spider-Man not holding back? Bruce doesn't stand a chance. I respect Batman and all, but I don't see him dodging even one punch from a Spider-Man that wants to hit him (precognitive sense, faster reflexes and all that).And no, Black Panther can't really stall Spidey all that much. BP is hardcore and all, but Spidey is his superior. Some well-placed webbing can easily put BP out of comission.
Isn't BP superhuman now?
Originally posted by Tshern
I can see you point, but I disagree. Batman is a lot slower than Spider-man, there is no arguing about that, but I think he can dodge a shot or two, although not longer. Spidersense is not helping (correct me if I'm wrong) Spidey by telling him were Batman dodges, it counters Bat's offensive maneuevers (which are non-existent in Bat vs Spidey fight). I guess we have to agree that we disagree. Fine with that?I think Black Panther can hold his own until someone defeats his foe and assists BP. Vibranium armor, enhanced speed, reflexes, senses, fighting skills and gadgetry are enough to keep Spidey at bay for a while. But it seems we're not agreeing on this either, so there's no need to post more explanations, we both understand our points, don't we?
Actually the Spider-sense works on the offensive, too, as it's done for him on numerous occassions. It basically tells him where to strike when he's facing a quick opponent. That's why I don't see Batman being able to dodge a punch. Spidey throws a punch, Batman attempts to dodge, but Spidey had already recalibrated his punch to the direction where Batman will be, landing his punch.
Don't get me wrong. I love BP. I think he takes the majority over Cap and Wolverine. But Spidey is just leagues ahead of him. Yes, the Vibranium armor and his other abilities keep him in the game, but a non-holding back Spidey still embarasses him. BP doesn't have the strength to break the webs. He can cut them, yes, but not if he's webbed in an unfortunate manner in which he can't reach the webs with his claws, which we know Spider-Man can do.
I hope you don't think I'm angrily arguing with you or anything. I'm just really enjoying this civil, well-thought out debate. 🙂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, but he's enhanced. He's basically on par with all of Wolverine's and Cap's abilities, save for regenerative capabilities.
Ok im not arguing with you but marvel.com says he has superhuman attributes. Obvoulsy you said he was enhanced for a reason. This seems to be another case pf Marvel not being consistent. It seems now that enhanced can equal superhuman and peak human.
I'll think I'll check the BP respect thread.