Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's usually somewhere in between. 🙂
Yeah thats true. I guess when they wrote his bio they were not really thinking. Enhanced is superhuman when you think about, but sometimes they put these terms into ranks.
BP one-shoted karnak......PIS. 😱
P.S. Im glad they upgraded BP, before I think he was a bit of a p****
Originally posted by masterbruce
ya know, just cuz you're stronger and faster don't necessarily mean you're the better fighter in a battle. Other factors come into play as well, mental abilities, experience, stamina, trickery (all of which Batman and Wolverine have in abundance)
I never said it did, did I?
Spider-Man has been doing his thing for a looooong time now. He's quite the intelligent fighter. While Wolverine and Batman are better martial artists, Spider-Man is the better all-around fighter.
You want other factors? Spider-Man has in addition to his superhuman strength and superhuman speed:
-Superhuman endurance
-Superhuman reflexes
-Superhuman equilibrium
-Superhuman precog abilities
-Superhuman agility
-Tons and tons and tons of experience
-Is HIGHLY intelligent (both in book smarts and in street smarts)
-Is one of the most resourceful heroes in the Marvel Universe (if not THE most)
-One of the fastest thinkers/quickest on his feet
-Trickery? Spidey does that all the time to foes he can't beat the old-fashioned way.
Originally posted by TshernMaybe his teammates can help him, but he ain't dodging a Spidey w/the killing intent(Shoosh!) without serious PIS. Spidey's faster than you think. DD's a better dodger than Bats because of his senses and speed & agility. See that speed? Batman won't have time to dodge or pull out a gadget & Spidey wasn't even going all out. If he was DD would be @least a head shorter.
And Spider-man is not one-shotting Batman out. You think Batman just stands there looking stupid? He can dodge AND his team mates can help him.
Originally posted by MetalmanxDitto. These are often forgotten when talking about Spidey. Dude's one of the best improvisers ever
You want other factors? Spider-Man has in addition to his superhuman strength and superhuman speed:-Tons and tons and tons of experience
-Is HIGHLY intelligent (both in book smarts and in street smarts)
-Is one of the most resourceful heroes in the Marvel Universe (if not THE most)
-One of the fastest thinkers/quickest on his feet
-Trickery? Spidey does that all the time to foes he can't beat the old-fashioned way.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphNah it's not like saying anything. Maybe I shouldn't have said "or whatever", but the point still stands. Wrecker didn't have superspeed if I remember right and he's never seemed all that skillful. Cage on the other hand hangs w/Iron Fist and is a damn good scrapper.
And when you say "If Wrecker or whoever", it clearly demonstrates you know nothing about the character and shouldn't be arguing for or against him, if you don't even know the name, and yet automatically assume Cage is as fast or faster. That's like saying "Well, if Superman or whoever can melt things by looking at them, then Wolverine can too". I'm not saying Cage is faster or slower, but at least bother to know the name of whoever you're talking about.
Originally posted by Tshern
Also Wolverine brings something else to the table. Fighting skills, speed, incredible stamina and so forth. Wolverine could in my opinion beat every member of Team 1 apart from Spider-man. He has got what it takes to do it.And Spider-man is not one-shotting Batman out. You think Batman just stands there looking stupid? He can dodge AND his team mates can help him. Black Panther could definitely keep Spidey from killing Bruce with all the gadgetry he has.
Black Panther would be too distracted by Spidermans webs even though Spiderman is fighting Wolverine at the same time. Spidermans speed will allow him to aid his team while fighting to help his team gain the upper hand. Spiderman has a better awareness of what is going on all around him. Gotta love that Spider sense
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never said it did, did I?Spider-Man has been doing his thing for a looooong time now. He's quite the intelligent fighter. While Wolverine and Batman are better martial artists, Spider-Man is the better all-around fighter.
You want other factors? Spider-Man has in addition to his superhuman strength and superhuman speed:
-Superhuman endurance
-Superhuman reflexes
-Superhuman equilibrium
-Superhuman precog abilities
-Superhuman agility
-Tons and tons and tons of experience
-Is HIGHLY intelligent (both in book smarts and in street smarts)
-Is one of the most resourceful heroes in the Marvel Universe (if not THE most)
-One of the fastest thinkers/quickest on his feet
-Trickery? Spidey does that all the time to foes he can't beat the old-fashioned way.
You missed Durability.
Originally posted by Soljer
You missed Durability.
I dont know how much times we have said this but with all of Spiderman abillities combined along with the fact that he is on his game makes him accomplish feats that some heroes could only dream about. This puts him on another level. Spiderman has great fighting awarness he see what others dont see, he uses what around him to keep the game in his favor, so having Spiderman on any team is a bonus especially when he can fight an opponent and help distract another at the same time, it keep the odds in his teams favor
Originally posted by Tshern
I just wanted to point out that Wolverine has more strength than Cap & DD and is faster than DD, Cap & Luke Cage and so forth.
Does he? Is he? I dont think its been established if Wolvie is stronger than DD and Cap. Secondly, i dont think hes faster than DD and Cap either. Moreso DD.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNot really. Just look at Morlun, one of the toughest guys Spidey's ever faced. A lot like the Gorgon, only problem is he's not telepathic and he wont heal from getting his head cut off. The likes of Goblin, Rhino, Shocker, Lizard, and Doc Ock aren't going to do anything to Wolverine.
Quite a few of Spiderman's villans would own Wolverine.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAnd once again another person claims all Wolverine has is claws and a healing factor. Wrong. Although with the claws and the healing factor alone he could still beat Spider-Man.
No matter how much you whine about Spiderman being a loser, it still doesn't change the fact he brings more to the table than some claws and healing.
Originally posted by MetalmanxPanther is not as strong as Cap, therefor he is not stronger than Wolverine.
No, but he's enhanced. He's basically on par with all of Wolverine's and Cap's abilities, save for regenerative capabilities.
Originally posted by python99If Spider-Man starts webbing up other people while being engaged by Wolverine he will get killed. Spider-Man has difficulty avoiding Wolverine in a 1 on 1 fight as it is.
Black Panther would be too distracted by Spidermans webs even though Spiderman is fighting Wolverine at the same time. Spidermans speed will allow him to aid his team while fighting to help his team gain the upper hand. Spiderman has a better awareness of what is going on all around him. Gotta love that Spider sense
Originally posted by jrodslamWell obviously he is both stronger and faster than DD. DD is a human physically. Wolverine is in his own words, "Way stronger n' faster than normal people." And considering Wolverine was a peak human before his Weapon X enhancements and all his feats are on par with those of Ultimate Captain America it's safe to say he's got Cap beat physically too. DD human, Wolverine not human. Common Sense.
Does he? Is he? I dont think its been established if Wolvie is stronger than DD and Cap. Secondly, i dont think hes faster than DD and Cap either. Moreso DD.
Originally posted by riceroost
Well obviously he is both stronger and faster than DD. DD is a human physically. Wolverine is in his own words, "Way stronger n' faster than normal people." And considering Wolverine was a peak human before his Weapon X enhancements and all his feats are on par with those of Ultimate Captain America it's safe to say he's got Cap beat physically too. DD human, Wolverine not human. Common Sense.
Its obvious hes faster and stronger than DD because Wolvie stated that hes way faster and stronger than normal people? He does have some impressive feats of strength, but none that are done on a continuous basis that would put him above Cap or DD in strength. Possibly slightly in strength, but not enough to make much of a difference in a fight.
Originally posted by jrodslamI'd say moreso Cap because of the SSS. DDs senses allow him to start moving out of the way of stuff 1st though. He's got a head start over everybody but Spidey. DD's capable of smashing Wolvies windpipe over & over, nutshots will hurt too. Punisher got him in the junk & so did puck
Does he? Is he? I dont think its been established if Wolvie is stronger than DD and Cap. Secondly, i dont think hes faster than DD and Cap either. Moreso DD.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Puck's awesome, it doesn't matter who it is if need be....he will punch you in the balls 🙂Wolverine:
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_015.jpg
off topic here. can anyone gimme a link to this spidy vs. wolvie thread? kinda new here and would like to read this thousand page thread you speak of.
thanks
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never said it did, did I?Spider-Man has been doing his thing for a looooong time now. He's quite the intelligent fighter. While Wolverine and Batman are better martial artists, Spider-Man is the better all-around fighter.
You want other factors? Spider-Man has in addition to his superhuman strength and superhuman speed:
-Superhuman endurance
-Superhuman reflexes
-Superhuman equilibrium
-Superhuman precog abilities
-Superhuman agility
-Tons and tons and tons of experience
-Is HIGHLY intelligent (both in book smarts and in street smarts)
-Is one of the most resourceful heroes in the Marvel Universe (if not THE most)
-One of the fastest thinkers/quickest on his feet
-Trickery? Spidey does that all the time to foes he can't beat the old-fashioned way.
If Spider-Man starts webbing up other people while being engaged by Wolverine he will get killed. Spider-Man has difficulty avoiding Wolverine in a 1 on 1 fight as it is.
Wolverine has a hard enough time sneaking up on Spiderman like the time Spidey took on the X-Men and swated Wolvie like a fly when he tried to sneak up on him. Like I stated before when Spidey is on his game, he is on his game, so fighting a guy like Wovlerine and dishing out some webbing at the same time for some aid for his team should'nt be that much of a problem considering spidey usually fights from a distance and anylizes the situation before jumping into combat thus making him also a smarter fighter than Wolverine.
Originally posted by riceroost& now you're just talking crazy Goblin & Ock would murder Wolvie.
Not really. Just look at Morlun, one of the toughest guys Spidey's ever faced. A lot like the Gorgon, only problem is he's not telepathic and he wont heal from getting his head cut off. The likes of Goblin, Rhino, Shocker, Lizard, and Doc Ock aren't going to do anything to Wolverine.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerOck can just rip Wolvies ingots out repeatedly. Using 2 arms to hold Wolvies arms useless. F**k that, after he gets him cought. He can just wrap 1 tentacle to hold both Wolvie's arms. Then he can pull Wolvie's nuts off and he can't do shit 'bout it 🙁 GG blows his meat off w/a bunch of pumpkin bombs(not easy to dodge explosions), flys him to the nearest lake or fountain(or a good puddle) and patiently drowns him
Here is an convincing argument:Simple enough to you?
