Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So ultamately you thnk I am [b]lying ?Why would I ? I have no reason to. I am not trying to justify my experience or orientation what-so-ever. You honestly beleive that If my sexual attractions were my choice, I wouldn't just ADMIT IT ?
As if I didn't have the guts or something 🙄
I have faced bigotry many many times, and I never felt the need to lie. Not then and not now.You claim that you know a lot about psychology and neurology through years and years of study, and therefore you know for a FACT that I chose my sexuality. You claim to know about the inner workings of my mind and my being.
You also claim that you know me better than I know myself !
So If I studied the Mormon religion for years, and then I read a biography about you and analyzed it for years, does that mean I would somehow know the truth about you ?
Would I be able to determine your entirety and the workings of your mind from reading the subject of you for years ? Would I have Regret all figured out from studying his biography and religion?
If not, then how do you imagine that you KNOW for a fact that I am Gay by choice, and have somehow changed my own desires ? How would you know for certain the true workings of my own mind, especially better than I would ? [/B]
No, you might not be lying, but you might be lying, I do not know, and no one can know absolutely. Perhaps you are lying and not knowing it, perhaps you are absolutely right. I do not know, but personal claims prove nothing. Scientifically speaking there is no conclusive evidence as to whether homosexuality is learned or genetically determined behavior. Even if you did not make a choice, your experiences throughout life could have led to determining your sexual preference. There are a large number of possible explanations for perception of a lack of choice in the matter, there are a large number of possible motivations for stating that the sexual orientation was chosen or not, there are an enormous number of possible explanations for homosexual behavior, and no method for deciding which is correct as of today. Regardless of your personal belief, you may not even be accurate in claiming that you did not decide your sexuality, perhaps you made minor choices between behaviors that led to homosexuality being a given, perhaps the choices were of no necessary relation to sexuality, who knows, the issue is that without a complete history of you individually one cannot know whether your sexuality was learned or genetic. This is fact. I do not claim that you are dishonest, I claim that it is entirely possible that you may perceive a lack of choice, when such may have been present had you come into contact with different experience and/or different consequences. Perhaps the choice was removed from you by external factors including possible interaction with other individuals from the point of your birth, there is no discounting the possibility. The notion of the individual existing in a vacuum and having choice that is not nearly absolutely dictated by history of experience, including all interactions with others, is a fallacy. No individual makes any choice absolutely naive.
I do not claim to know anyone, in fact I believe the opposite to be true, I believe that no man can know another. I believe the assumption that anyone is the same mentally as anyone else is a belief quite probably in error. All anyone has as to evidence concerning the internal, covert, behavior is their external, overt, behavior. This is all a logical individual can truly know of another.
It is my belief that experience and history decided your sexuality, if not choice. I do not believe that sexuality is decided by genetics. I do not claim to know this absolutely, I believe it to be the case. Evidence to a genetic cause for the behavior is severely lacking, and as such the belief in a genetic causal component must be viewed with skepticism.