Originally posted by lando005
not just carnage, spidy's top 5 has been greatly depowered in this match you could easily throw carnage, the original green goblin, hydro-man, sandman, mystrio electro and more in that roster
...Good point. I nearly forgot about them.
Oh, and Morlun, Black Tarantula, Scorpion, etc... 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
You do understand Wolverine was orginally a Villian for Hulk right so if you want to bring Carnage up I could bring Hulk up to right 😕Listen Ock's tentacles are good but they rely on their abilty to deflect an enemies blows which won't happen here as all these guys can cu through them.
Venom is tough but like you said he isn't beating everyone here and as long as one person holds him off th others aren't that dangerous.
Listen the fact is they are all pretty fast but only Venom really is on par with Spiderman in Speed everyone else is below him even the Lizard. even in his bio he is only stated at being 45 mphs. All these people are above peak human which puts them all above 30 mph so Lizard second fastest on the other team that matters isn't leaps and bounds above anyone here.
That one hit they need won't even be lucky. All th people on Spidey's team have been hit before the only reason they take Spidey's hits are because they are tough enough to take the blnt force trauma of Spiderman. These guys though are appling Edge foce trauma meaning they are going to cut these people down. Ock's Arms gone Lizard's tail gone. defensless Villians gone. Rhino not tough enough to withstand Adamantium he is gone despite his strength.
That makes it 2 against 5. Like I said I see Cyber, OR, sabertooth, or any of the possible combination of two beating Venom.
GG is only hard because of his glider but his bombs won't be that effective against people with actual HFs.
Why would you bring Hulk into this? Hulk was not the villian in that scenario. Wolverine was created as a Hulk VILLIAN, not the other way around. So your argument is flawed already.
Carnage, however, is an original Spider-Man villian. One that he still contends with every now and then.
And you must've mis-read my statements before. I DO believe that Venom can take on the entire team by himself.
Originally posted by Newjak
Plus hasn't he fought against Alpha Flight a couple times not sure though.And hasn't he fought the Wendigo before.
Alpha Flight: Twice
Wendigo: Five times
Originally posted by jmcnasty
yep he fought against alpha flight and stalemated them ending with them calling a truce.
He fought with the X-Men not solo. Guardian, Sasquatch has taken him out one on one, oh hell look at thier power set.
Originally posted by jmcnasty
Understood, cant change your opinion. I just cant see spiderman villians (except carnage, venom, hydro) as a huge threat. I own spiderman and wolverine comics (theyre my favorite hero's) and I compare both and I see wolverine fighting a thousand hand ninja's and see people going after him to cause the world and other superteam trouble and I just dont witness the same for spiderman. When I read spiderman books, majority of his fights or won off of brains not brawns. I witness spiderman getting tackle by police officer, whereas wolverine fight a room full of about 400 men armed to the teeth. Spiderman fight enhanced humans that dont have any knowledge of there powers and no kind of skills, whereas wolverine fight people like magneto (fought him one on one a lot of times), sauron, hulk, thing, namor, mimic etc. and spiderman is getting slapped around by an old dude in a vulture suit and a common thug in a scorpion suit. Just dont add up to me.
Spidey has also fought Namor, Hulk, Thing, etc...etc. They've fought a lot of the same villians.
And I'd wager to say that "common thug in a scorpion suit" would thrash Wolverine. 😐
Originally posted by King_Mungi
He fought with the X-Men not solo. Guardian, Sasquatch has taken him out one on one, oh hell look at thier power set.
Wolverine has beaten Mac more times the to opposite has happened. He has also never really fought with Sasquatch but has been ambushed by him on a couple occasions.
Originally posted by Newjak
Plus since at one tme or another Wolverine has gone one on one with any X-Villian tey are in play as well.So Magneto Juggernaut they all could be in his rouge gallery. Plus hasn't he fought against Alpha Flight a couple times not sure though.
And hasn't he fought the Wendigo before.
Oh, this should be good. You want to use every enemy they've faced?
Spider-man's opponents:
-SUPERMAN
-Morlun
-Juggernaut
-Hulk
-Thor
-Namor
-FANTASTIC FOUR
-SILVER SURFER
Should I continue?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has beaten Mac more times the to opposite has happened. He has also never really fought with Sasquatch but has been ambushed by him on a couple occasions.
haha bull when has Wolverine ever and I mean ever beat Mac? and not the second fight, he was actually tracking Sasquatch.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
haha bull when has Wolverine ever and I mean ever beat Mac? and not the second fight, he was actually tracking Sasquatch.
Alpha Flight v2 #1.
Uncanny X-Men #121 (Wolverine dodges Mac's blast, tags him and has him dead to rights but stops because Shaman lost control of his spell)
There is one more incident Wolverine out fights Mac off the top of my head but I will need to hunt it down.
The only time Mac won was when he first donned the Guardian armor and threw down with Logan. Wolverine was at a large disadvantage have no intel on Mac's armor and Mac himself knew everything their to know about Wolverine...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, this should be good. You want to use every enemy they've faced?Spider-man's opponents:
-SUPERMAN
-Morlun
-Juggernaut
-Hulk
-Thor
-Namor
-FANTASTIC FOUR
-SILVER SURFERShould I continue?
You know that I laugh at your comments right. When he fought the hulk the hulk grabbed him by the head and was suffocating him. He almost died until outside interference helped. The juggernaut battle. Juggernaut laughed at spiderman the entire time until spiderman ran a truck into him, again spiderman wasnt a threat. Spiderman had red sun light around his body while fighting superman, if the same happened with wolverine superman would be a dead person (head cut off). Thor didnt see spiderman as a threat and he actually let spiderman punch him in the face and smiled. Morlun, HAHAHAHA, morlun had to take control of the wendigo body to even pose a threat to wolverine. Namor and spiderman stalemated but wolverine beat namor. Silver surfer, another, HAHAHAHA. Fantastic four would never try to cause spiderman any serious harm. Wolverine posed a threat to juggernaut, hulk, etc, spiderman almost got killed by everyone you named if it wasnt for outside help.
Originally posted by jmcnasty
You know that I laugh at your comments right. When he fought the hulk the hulk grabbed him by the head and was suffocating him. He almost died until outside interference helped. The juggernaut battle. Juggernaut laughed at spiderman the entire time until spiderman ran a truck into him, again spiderman wasnt a threat. Spiderman had red sun light around his body while fighting superman, if the same happened with wolverine superman would be a dead person (head cut off). Thor didnt see spiderman as a threat and he actually let spiderman punch him in the face and smiled. Morlun, HAHAHAHA, morlun had to take control of the wendigo body to even pose a threat to wolverine. Namor and spiderman stalemated but wolverine beat namor. Silver surfer, another, HAHAHAHA. Fantastic four would never try to cause spiderman any serious harm. Wolverine posed a threat to juggernaut, hulk, etc, spiderman almost got killed by everyone you named if it wasnt for outside help.
Actually, no. I did not know that you are laughing at my comments. Good to know I'm still making people laugh.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436347
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436356
And this was a super-powered Hulk. Hulk never touched him in this fight.
Spider-Man outsmarted Juggernaut. Wolverine has NEVER, EVER posed a threat to Juggy.
Spidey also managed to kill Morlun with his dying breaths, using abilities he never had before. When did Morlun EVER face Wolverine? Morlun would destroy Wolverine.
Spidey has DEFEATED Namor.
Superman's strength returned rather quickly.
Thor has had his ass kicked by Spidey before, until he started to use his actual Thunder God powers. Doesn't change the fact they've fought before.
Spidey has fought the Fantastic Four twice and pretty much beat them (basically) both times.
And yes, he's fought Silver Surfer before. A couple of times in fact. He even defeated him when he was taken over by Carnage, which makes him more powerful.
I don't think I even need to bring in Hydro-Man, Absorbing Man, Sandman, Mysterio, Electro, etc...
So, you can laugh if you want, but Spider-Man's rogues are far more powerful.
Metalmanx, that was a great fight you showed of hulk and spiderman, have to respect spiderman in that fight he did pretty good. Now the other fight I seen of hulk and spiderman, spiderman almost got killed, easily. I would like to bring up some of wolverine rogue AGAIN, ogun (dont have physical body), morlun, wendigo and I just went to wolverine rogue and it does show hulk there. I forgot the name of the guy that is in the astral plane, magneto, the hand, and hydra. About to go to his web site and pull up more.
Originally posted by jmcnasty
Metalmanx, that was a great fight you showed of hulk and spiderman, have to respect spiderman in that fight he did pretty good. Now the other fight I seen of hulk and spiderman, spiderman almost got killed, easily. I would like to bring up some of wolverine rogue AGAIN, ogun (dont have physical body), morlun, wendigo and I just went to wolverine rogue and it does show hulk there. I forgot the name of the guy that is in the astral plane, magneto, the hand, and hydra. About to go to his web site and pull up more.
Wait wait. Before you do that. I need to hear about this fight of Morlun vs. Wolverine. To my knowledge, they've never faced. Are you getting Morlun confused with someone else? I think you are.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait wait. Before you do that. I need to hear about this fight of Morlun vs. Wolverine. To my knowledge, they've never faced. Are you getting Morlun confused with someone else? I think you are.
I think I am to. Descride morlun to me. He do have mystical powers dont he because Im thinking of a guy that gauged wolverine eye out when sabertooth broke him out of the raft.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Alpha Flight v2 #1.
Uncanny X-Men #121 (Wolverine dodges Mac's blast, tags him and has him dead to rights but stops because Shaman lost control of his spell)There is one more incident Wolverine out fights Mac off the top of my head but I will need to hunt it down.
The only time Mac won was when he first donned the Guardian armor and threw down with Logan. Wolverine was at a large disadvantage have no intel on Mac's armor and Mac himself knew everything their to know about Wolverine...
Ooooh nice try, as stated later in the series that was a memory manipulation from Department H to cover up what they did with the real James (shoot him in space). If you knew continuity when Wolverine was still savage, James was donning the Groundhog armor and even then was long time cured as shown in the Alpha Flight special: First Flight (vol.1) & Alpha Flight: Blast from the Past (Vol.2), which goes against that "flashback". Even that flashback had "James" letting his guard down, he didn't even want to fight him it was a experiment to help treate him. Also Wolverine was in his X-Men attire, another example it was an edited memory
haha dead to rights? please have you seen what Mac's shields are capable of? block a nuclear explosion and blocked attacks from Shaman, Human Torch, Vindicator, Windshear and Witchfire all at the same time. Dead to rights? please.
No one won, Mac thought Wolverine turned into a murderer and was proven wrong and apologized
His disadvantage was intelligence? please, are you even familar with Guardian's powerset? you know what make a Wolverine vs. Guardian thread and we shall see.
Originally posted by jmcnasty
I think I am to. Descride morlun to me. He do have mystical powers dont he because Im thinking of a guy that gauged wolverine eye out when sabertooth broke him out of the raft.
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Morlun/morlun.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlun