Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by lando005
the odds of them landing thoes blows are unlikely

Now that quote you just said dont make any sense. Not trying to be rude. Black cat has fought all of these villians and have almost taken them down herself and she lay blows on each of them, so what make wolverine squad any different. You know the truth, you know that wolverine squad WILL LAND BLOWS. I know it hurts to admit the truth but it will happen and it will be the end of the fight. 💃

Elektra land blows on spiderman in every encounter they get into and she sometimes beat him (like one time she stabbed him in the shoulder leading to him passing out) so what makes wolverine squad any different.

Originally posted by lando005
lets not forget that with the exception of gorgon these r the toughest foes wolverine has the OP watered down the spider-foes quite a bit

Exactly. Carnage was originally on the Spider side. Had to make it fair(ish) for the Wolvie squad.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
What you said did make sense. How is it hard to find spiderman when you could go to his city and cause havok. If apocalypse wanted spiderman he could get spiderman, easily but he dont want spiderman because I cant see spiderman accomplishing anything, you could just throw doc ock at spiderman if he was taken over by apocalypse and doc ock would just knock him out. Youre right about wolverine not being mentally stable but he have his reasons, maybe if people stop trying to use the ultimate weapon (got that fraze from the marvel encyclopedia) against everyone he'll be ok, that why spiderman goes to bed just find, (except he just got beat to death by a dude with superstrength that could be killed by bullets.). Spiderman and his enemies are good but if I had to hire someone to be my body gaurd and I had a choice out of sabertooth or the lizard, I would quickly go for sabertooth (if he dont back stab me). And why do people keep bringing up strength difference. Daredevil fights people everyday with superstrength, do he lose, no. Batman fights people everyday with superstrength do he lose, no. You can have great strength but could still be a loser.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Now that quote you just said dont make any sense. Not trying to be rude. Black cat has fought all of these villians and have almost taken them down herself and she lay blows on each of them, so what make wolverine squad any different. You know the truth, you know that wolverine squad WILL LAND BLOWS. I know it hurts to admit the truth but it will happen and it will be the end of the fight. 💃

Elektra land blows on spiderman in every encounter they get into and she sometimes beat him (like one time she stabbed him in the shoulder leading to him passing out) so what makes wolverine squad any different.

So what? Wolverine got beaten by Punisher. And when Logan fought Spider at the cemetey he couldn't land a single blow untill Spider-man ALLOWED him. Both Venom and Lizard are as fast as Spider. Ock's arms held 6 supervillains and two superheroes from landing a single blow at him. GG just flies in the air far above them so noone could hurt him. Spider villains would win.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Now that quote you just said dont make any sense. Not trying to be rude. Black cat has fought all of these villians and have almost taken them down herself and she lay blows on each of them, so what make wolverine squad any different. You know the truth, you know that wolverine squad WILL LAND BLOWS. I know it hurts to admit the truth but it will happen and it will be the end of the fight. 💃

Elektra land blows on spiderman in every encounter they get into and she sometimes beat him (like one time she stabbed him in the shoulder leading to him passing out) so what makes wolverine squad any different.

Omega Red's pheremones and Cyber's hallucinogens give the team a huge advantage and other the Venom and maybe Lizard the effects are going to hit them hard and fast. Three of the Wolverine rogues are also spec opt trained with field action in world war 1 and could easily turn his into a gorilla tactics game using the battle field to their advantage. This match should go to the team of Wolverine foes.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. Carnage was originally on the Spider side. Had to make it fair(ish) for the Wolvie squad.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Being a big Wolverine fan, I'm just being realistic. When you on other hand just vote for some you like best. The thing is that Spider-man and every villain on the list fought characters FAR more powerfull than anyone on the list and some of them fight such characters on a regular basis. You just say Wolverine can do this and that. But tell me what could Wolverine do to Venom? He tried to stab him many times and even stabbed him through and Venom was only laughing at him. What could sabertooth do to GreenGoblin that is flying in the air and throwing dozens bombs at him? How is lady D. gonna avoid Doc Ock's arms and stab him if even entire sinister six team together with Spider-man and Hulk couldn't avoid his arms and land a hit? Wolvie villains got healing factor. Big deal. It won't save them if Venom uses his symbiote to rape their brains and make them believe that they are kids from elementary school. (yes, symbiote could do that). And healing factor won't help against arms that could ripp off your skeleton. You got my point.

I dont get your point when you have a guy that is invulnerable on the team, cyber and posses a healing factor. The doc ock that fought hulk, spiderman, etc... had adamantium arms do he have them arms in the fight, if he does he be a better threat. Also when wolverine and venom fought it showed both of them enjoying the fight not just venom and wolverine was running circles around venom, standing on his head, bouncing off his back etc... And as for gg, lady deathstrike will do the finishing blow. You all said that you read xmen comics, right. Well in a recent comic lady deathstrike was fighting a fire dude (forgot his name, I think its sunspot, rogue has his powers now) and he was flying around. She just jumped in the air and cut his legs off, same could happen to gg. Since noone on the spiderman squad has a healing factor omega red can just spread his death spores across the entire facinity knocking everyone out, except maybe venom, leaving just him to get treated like a rag doll. Like I said before wolverine squad can take any kind of punishment, can you say the same for the other team that WILL get hit.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I dont get your point when you have a guy that is invulnerable on the team, cyber and posses a healing factor. The doc ock that fought hulk, spiderman, etc... had adamantium arms do he have them arms in the fight, if he does he be a better threat. Also when wolverine and venom fought it showed both of them enjoying the fight not just venom and wolverine was running circles around venom, standing on his head, bouncing off his back etc... And as for gg, lady deathstrike will do the finishing blow. You all said that you read xmen comics, right. Well in a recent comic lady deathstrike was fighting a fire dude (forgot his name, I think its sunspot, rogue has his powers now) and he was flying around. She just jumped in the air and cut his legs off, same could happen to gg. Since noone on the spiderman squad has a healing factor omega red can just spread his death spores across the entire facinity knocking everyone out, except maybe venom, leaving just him to get treated like a rag doll. Like I said before wolverine squad can take any kind of punishment, can you say the same for the other team that WILL get hit.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. Carnage was originally on the Spider side. Had to make it fair(ish) for the Wolvie squad.

Listen Ock's tentacles are good but they rely on their abilty to deflect an enemies blows which won't happen here as all these guys can cu through them.

Venom is tough but like you said he isn't beating everyone here and as long as one person holds him off th others aren't that dangerous.

Listen the fact is they are all pretty fast but only Venom really is on par with Spiderman in Speed everyone else is below him even the Lizard. even in his bio he is only stated at being 45 mphs. All these people are above peak human which puts them all above 30 mph so Lizard second fastest on the other team that matters isn't leaps and bounds above anyone here.

That one hit they need won't even be lucky. All th people on Spidey's team have been hit before the only reason they take Spidey's hits are because they are tough enough to take the blnt force trauma of Spiderman. These guys though are appling Edge foce trauma meaning they are going to cut these people down. Ock's Arms gone Lizard's tail gone. defensless Villians gone. Rhino not tough enough to withstand Adamantium he is gone despite his strength.

That makes it 2 against 5. Like I said I see Cyber, OR, sabertooth, or any of the possible combination of two beating Venom.

GG is only hard because of his glider but his bombs won't be that effective against people with actual HFs.

Originally posted by lando005
i'm not saying u dont have valid points just i think ur overateing them that's all like i said before they are basicly skilled fighting blades and nothing more spider foes have tones of versitility in comparison soo my money is on them not say8ing they wont loose but as far as options go they have more spidy and his foes have accomplished a lot and spidy far outshines wolverine in versitility and uses not just going off of strength

Understood, cant change your opinion. I just cant see spiderman villians (except carnage, venom, hydro) as a huge threat. I own spiderman and wolverine comics (theyre my favorite hero's) and I compare both and I see wolverine fighting a thousand hand ninja's and see people going after him to cause the world and other superteam trouble and I just dont witness the same for spiderman. When I read spiderman books, majority of his fights or won off of brains not brawns. I witness spiderman getting tackle by police officer, whereas wolverine fight a room full of about 400 men armed to the teeth. Spiderman fight enhanced humans that dont have any knowledge of there powers and no kind of skills, whereas wolverine fight people like magneto (fought him one on one a lot of times), sauron, hulk, thing, namor, mimic etc. and spiderman is getting slapped around by an old dude in a vulture suit and a common thug in a scorpion suit. Just dont add up to me.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do understand Wolverine was orginally a Villian for Hulk right so if you want to bring Carnage up I could bring Hulk up to right 😕

Or you could just use Spoor... he could beat every one of Spider-man's rogues at the same time.

lets throw wendigo in there since he is a wolverine villian or lets throw the gorgon in there with his glasses off and let the spider team look at him or ogun who dont even have a physical body.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Or you could just use Spoor... he could beat every one of Spider-man's rogues at the same time.

So Magneto Juggernaut they all could be in his rouge gallery. Plus hasn't he fought against Alpha Flight a couple times not sure though.

And hasn't he fought the Wendigo before.

Originally posted by Newjak
Plus since at one tme or another Wolverine has gone one on one with any X-Villian tey are in play as well.

So Magneto Juggernaut they all could be in his rouge gallery. Plus hasn't he fought against Alpha Flight a couple times not sure though.

And hasn't he fought the Wendigo before.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Understood, cant change your opinion. I just cant see spiderman villians (except carnage, venom, hydro) as a huge threat. I own spiderman and wolverine comics (theyre my favorite hero's) and I compare both and I see wolverine fighting a thousand hand ninja's and see people going after him to cause the world and other superteam trouble and I just dont witness the same for spiderman. When I read spiderman books, majority of his fights or won off of brains not brawns. I witness spiderman getting tackle by police officer, whereas wolverine fight a room full of about 400 men armed to the teeth. Spiderman fight enhanced humans that dont have any knowledge of there powers and no kind of skills, whereas wolverine fight people like magneto (fought him one on one a lot of times), sauron, hulk, thing, namor, mimic etc. and spiderman is getting slapped around by an old dude in a vulture suit and a common thug in a scorpion suit. Just dont add up to me.

Originally posted by Newjak
Plus since at one tme or another Wolverine has gone one on one with any X-Villian tey are in play as well.

So Magneto Juggernaut they all could be in his rouge gallery. Plus hasn't he fought against Alpha Flight a couple times not sure though.

And hasn't he fought the Wendigo before.

Spoor was essentially unbeatable. He only lost because he was a disease and there just happened to be a mystical healer around (yeah for plot devices). Even the Celestials weren't able to stop Spoor. I hesitate at using primarily X-Men villains in a Wolverine rogue gallery (Magneto being the exception because their is a great deal of animosity between them) but Spoor was an actual Wolverine villain, and I don't think he appeared out side of a Wolverine issue.

Originally posted by lando005
you realize the level of pis in wolverine comics is comparable to that of superman's right? what doesnt add up is someone with a healing factor adamantium bones, claws enhanced senses and fightings skills is made up to be one of the most powerful people on the planet, also spider-man had tones of low feats at the begining of his career not denying that but ur also forgettin to look at his high end feats takeing out juggernaut, morlun, the mand thinker's android, so on and so forth if you think spider-man is below wolverine you are sadly mistaken he's a combat fighting knife nothing more and if marvel ever wrote him in character an to the limits of his abilities instead of treating him like a dc character that would be apperant you dont see wolverin fighitng guys like doc ock becaus he cant beat doc ock he wouldnt be able to get close to him and he wouldnt be able to stop whatever plan ock has in motion i'm sorry but in my oppinion wolverine has been made out to be more than he is

Now I cant lie, when spiderman 1st came out he was awesome. He was superman. Back then if I had to put my money on spiderman or wolverine, my bet would have been on spiderman easily. The thing is wolverine have grown, he is basically immortal. I know that some of it (a lot of it is pis) but it happened, cant take it away. Wolverine has been hit by a nuclear bomb, has been exploded and lost all of his flesh by nitro and got right back up. Has taken out submariner, almost killed the hulk, went hand to hand with apocalypse. Fought the fantastic four numerous of times, almost beat the xmen. Ripped Iron man armor to shred. I know all of these things happened but you cant count them out, if they were done to spiderman you would use it in the battle. Also with this doc ock thing. I think wolverine can take doc ock out with no problem. Cut his arms off and gut him. Wolverine is a very tactical fighter he will get to doc ock.

FEAR THE DEER!

Originally posted by Zahit
FEAR THE DEER!

Elk actually. 🙄