Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by Newjak
Where to start.

I never said anyine is ging to take Venom Solo but can stalemate him like Wolverine was able to do.

PS your Juggernaut incident is a little off. You see he destroys Venom. Venom is laughing everything off but in the later epiodes it does say he was almost killed and the toxins saved him.

Ths same Toxins increased his power and when he like you said all he did was through Juggernaut around a little bit. He never actually hurt Cain and nothing showed us he could. Besides he doesn't have the Madness Toxins making him stronger in this fight.

Next Lizard is fast but he isn't that fast how do you think Spiderman survives fights with him. He is always a step behind Spideman. Lizard also relies on his tail to be his main weapon but once again anyone on this team could cut it off easily as well. Then go in and cut his head off.

Doc Ock tentacles can be cut off with ease by anyone here and after all one good throwing knife to the head and he is down.

Rhino I've already said why Rhino dies

Basically besides Venom and possibly GG everyone on the other team aren't that good at dodging there main weapns can be cut off easily because they aren't that strong. And one good hit kills them and even a decent hit takes them out of the fight pretty much.

While the other team can take quite a few hits before going down. Venom isn't down right owning anyone here. He would win one on one against anyone here but he isn't destroying them. Anyone here with the exception of Sliver Samuri can hold him off because of HFs or just incredibly tough Armor

There were three fights against Juggernaut, in the first Venom was pushed into toxins. In the second fight Venom is under effect of the toxins BUT it was NEVER stated that toxins increase his strength. NEVER. It only made him mad. And it doesn't matter since at the end of second issue effect of virus was gone, so in the third fight it was classic Venom. He couldn't hurt Juggernaut, it is true. But noone can hurt Juggernaut so it doesn't matter. He still was knocking Juggernaut all over the place.
There is no way for Sabertooth to cut Ock's arms, they are too fast for him. And Wolverine was able to stalemate Venom but there clearly was nothing he could do to him and in case of Venom clone, just like Jyppe said, he wasn't even trying to fight Logan. Now I never said that Venom is going to take them all by himself. But together they'd murder the other team.

I think it would affect him, but not enough to be fatal or neutralize him.

He likely has limited immunity to OR's death spores but he has no defence against Omega Red's ability to syphon away life force.

I wasnt saying that the spiderman villians isnt a threat, Im sayint that they would fall and not just get koed, Im referring to getting killed because theyre fighting a squad full of killers. What you all fail to realize is that each of the people of wolverine side has fought people that is a walk in the park more powerful than them like sabertooth. Sabertooth fought a guy that was created in the sinester lab that had all of superman powers and he got gutted. Someone also said that sabertooth got knocked out by northstar, that dont seem impossible, SINCE NORTHSTAR MOVES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Sabertooth fought both spiderman and punisher and could have killed both until he decided to leave because he didnt see them as a threat. If someone could, help me find a site where they posted sabertooth vs spiderman they have pic's on there that shows sabertooth almost killing spiderman but let him go. Venom is good but you all are giving him to much credit. During the time that he fought juggernaut, he got raped until he absorbed some toxin that made a completely different venom. That venom and juggernaut fight was a slaughter. The hulk and venom fight was a slaughter also, wolverine has done much better in a fight. Someone also said that venom could snatch an adamantium head off, hahahahahahaha, they dont know that adamantium is indestructible, venoms not snatching anything off. Doc ock is a human, thats all it takes is ONE SLICE, someone can come and cut him from behind or he could be fighting one of these opponent and they could just jump in there and get a quick attack and the fight is over. Also I wasnt saying that wolverine can take over the world, Im saying that his skill is so great that people tend to witness it and use his as a successful weopon, that almost killed the hulk (when wolverine was war) and that almost took out the entire xmen.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
ISabertooth fought a guy that was created in the sinester lab that had all of superman powers and he got gutted. That venom and juggernaut fight was a slaughter. The hulk and venom fight was a slaughter also, wolverine has done much better in a fight. Someone also said that venom could snatch an adamantium head off, hahahahahahaha, they dont know that adamantium is indestructible, venoms not snatching anything off.

are you laughing with yourself or at yourself......
....it's pretty creepy either way.....

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Errmm..I said Venom could rend CYBER'S head from his shoulders. But...Cyber doesn't have an adamantium skeleton, just skin. So it wouldn't be hard to do for a fifty tonner.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I wasnt saying that the spiderman villians isnt a threat, Im sayint that they would fall and not just get koed, Im referring to getting killed because theyre fighting a squad full of killers. What you all fail to realize is that each of the people of wolverine side has fought people that is a walk in the park more powerful than them like sabertooth. Sabertooth fought a guy that was created in the sinester lab that had all of superman powers and he got gutted. Someone also said that sabertooth got knocked out by northstar, that dont seem impossible, SINCE NORTHSTAR MOVES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Sabertooth fought both spiderman and punisher and could have killed both until he decided to leave because he didnt see them as a threat. If someone could, help me find a site where they posted sabertooth vs spiderman they have pic's on there that shows sabertooth almost killing spiderman but let him go. Venom is good but you all are giving him to much credit. During the time that he fought juggernaut, he got raped until he absorbed some toxin that made a completely different venom. That venom and juggernaut fight was a slaughter. The hulk and venom fight was a slaughter also, wolverine has done much better in a fight. Someone also said that venom could snatch an adamantium head off, hahahahahahaha, they dont know that adamantium is indestructible, venoms not snatching anything off. Doc ock is a human, thats all it takes is ONE SLICE, someone can come and cut him from behind or he could be fighting one of these opponent and they could just jump in there and get a quick attack and the fight is over. Also I wasnt saying that wolverine can take over the world, Im saying that his skill is so great that people tend to witness it and use his as a successful weopon, that almost killed the hulk (when wolverine was war) and that almost took out the entire xmen.

No need for that "he beat tough guys before" because every spider villain on this list fought characters MUCH more dangerous than anyone on the list of Wolvie villains, so it doesn't work that way. We have simple facts and they say that Spider-man villains are superior to Wolvie villains. Venom was LAUGHING at Juggernaut punches in the first fight and he was beating him in two further fights that you clearly haven't read and his strength wasn't boosted, it never been stated anywhere and in the third fight effect of virus (that is madness) was gone. So Venom did something noone on the Wolvie's list could even dream to do, he was beating Juggernaut with only his own powers. When he fought Hulk he was feeding him with webbing untill Hulk used his only weakness - sound. There is nothing Wolverine could've done to Eddie, it was obvious. Venom on other hand has ways to beat Wolverine. Venom and GG by themselvs could give the team a hard time. Add Ock and Lizard to the list and it's a slaughter.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He likely has limited immunity to OR's death spores but he has no defence against Omega Red's ability to syphon away life force.

Doesn't OR need to touch his enemy with his tendrils in order to syphon away life force?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom and GG by themselvs could give the team a hard time. Add Ock and Lizard to the list and it's a slaughter.

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But what happens when you add Rhino?

Shit...Wolverine's foes win 10/10.

Spidey's team has RHINO! They CAN'T win. It's against the Universal laws and constructs in marvel!

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I wasnt saying that the spiderman villians isnt a threat, Im sayint that they would fall and not just get koed, Im referring to getting killed because theyre fighting a squad full of killers. What you all fail to realize is that each of the people of wolverine side has fought people that is a walk in the park more powerful than them like sabertooth. Sabertooth fought a guy that was created in the sinester lab that had all of superman powers and he got gutted. Someone also said that sabertooth got knocked out by northstar, that dont seem impossible, SINCE NORTHSTAR MOVES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Sabertooth fought both spiderman and punisher and could have killed both until he decided to leave because he didnt see them as a threat. If someone could, help me find a site where they posted sabertooth vs spiderman they have pic's on there that shows sabertooth almost killing spiderman but let him go. Venom is good but you all are giving him to much credit. During the time that he fought juggernaut, he got raped until he absorbed some toxin that made a completely different venom. That venom and juggernaut fight was a slaughter. The hulk and venom fight was a slaughter also, wolverine has done much better in a fight. Someone also said that venom could snatch an adamantium head off, hahahahahahaha, they dont know that adamantium is indestructible, venoms not snatching anything off. Doc ock is a human, thats all it takes is ONE SLICE, someone can come and cut him from behind or he could be fighting one of these opponent and they could just jump in there and get a quick attack and the fight is over. Also I wasnt saying that wolverine can take over the world, Im saying that his skill is so great that people tend to witness it and use his as a successful weopon, that almost killed the hulk (when wolverine was war) and that almost took out the entire xmen.

i think your giving wolverine and his enemies too much credit.... last time i checked the spider foes had thier fair share of blood on thier hands too also as far as controlling and useing them as weapons there's a major diffrence here woverine is good just not nearly as good as everyone makes him out to be not to mention he's been brainwashed countless times already he's not the most mentaly stable guy around same can be said for the rest of his crew which makes them a better choice to use as weapons cause they have already been broken once they can be controlled again, also it was a lot easier to find wolverine that it was spider-man so if i wanted to use a hero to take over the world i would go with one i would have an easier time finding and overpowering for the most part wolverine and his foes are all just durable fighting blades nothing more where as there is a ton of versitility on the spider foe side

Yeah Spidey squad for the win, here is a little of everything.

Versatility(Venom), durability(Venom, again), strategy and weapons(GG and Doc Ock), strength (Rhino), speed (Venom & Lizard).

Originally posted by blind faith
Yeah Spidey squad for the win, here is a little of everything.

Versatility(Venom), durability(Venom, again), strategy and weapons(GG and Doc Ock), strength (Rhino), speed (Venom & Lizard).

Venom should arguably go under the strength, as well. Friggin thing is MUCH stronger than Spiderman, and has shown superior strength to carnage on occasion.

Originally posted by Soljer
Venom should arguably go under the strength, as well. Friggin thing is MUCH stronger than Spiderman, and has shown superior strength to carnage on occasion.

Originally posted by Sam Z
No need for that "he beat tough guys before" because every spider villain on this list fought characters MUCH more dangerous than anyone on the list of Wolvie villains, so it doesn't work that way. We have simple facts and they say that Spider-man villains are superior to Wolvie villains. Venom was LAUGHING at Juggernaut punches in the first fight and he was beating him in two further fights that you clearly haven't read and his strength wasn't boosted, it never been stated anywhere and in the third fight effect of virus (that is madness) was gone. So Venom did something noone on the Wolvie's list could even dream to do, he was beating Juggernaut with only his own powers. When he fought Hulk he was feeding him with webbing untill Hulk used his only weakness - sound. There is nothing Wolverine could've done to Eddie, it was obvious. Venom on other hand has ways to beat Wolverine. Venom and GG by themselvs could give the team a hard time. Add Ock and Lizard to the list and it's a slaughter.

I can tell that their is a lot of people on this site that dont read xmen or wolverine comics because they seem to no nothing of sabertooth or anyone in the wolverine squad. Sabertooth fight people like the spiderman squad on a regular basis. He have taken on xfactor, weaponx, xmen, excalabor, generation x, spiderman and punisher at the same time, luke cage and iron fist at the same time, alpha flight, the hand, etc..... He have enough skill to go one on one with any of these fighters and probably could win. Noone on the wolverine squad gives up until they have actually won the fight or at least caused serious damage and I cant see the people on spiderman team dodging everything that these people throw at them, they might dodge some but not all and thats all it would take is one hit. Now on the spiderman list, yeh theyre going to land blows but sabertooth, cyber, omega red, and lady death strike is going to get right back up due to there durability and healing factor, (dont know about silver samarai. Can you say the same for the other squad. If sabertooth stabs his hand threw the lizard chest will he get back up. If lady deathstrike cut doc ock legs off, will he still be fighting. You get my point.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I can tell that their is a lot of people on this site that dont read xmen or wolverine comics because they seem to no nothing of sabertooth or anyone in the wolverine squad. Sabertooth fight people like the spiderman squad on a regular basis. He have taken on xfactor, weaponx, xmen, excalabor, generation x, spiderman and punisher at the same time, luke cage and iron fist at the same time, alpha flight, the hand, etc..... He have enough skill to go one on one with any of these fighters and probably could win. Noone on the wolverine squad gives up until they have actually won the fight or at least caused serious damage and I cant see the people on spiderman team dodging everything that these people throw at them, they might dodge some but not all and thats all it would take is one hit. Now on the spiderman list, yeh theyre going to land blows but sabertooth, cyber, omega red, and lady death strike is going to get right back up due to there durability and healing factor, (dont know about silver samarai. Can you say the same for the other squad. If sabertooth stabs his hand threw the lizard chest will he get back up. If lady deathstrike cut doc ock legs off, will he still be fighting. You get my point.

I have read loads and loads of X-Men comics. I've seen the many things the Wolvie squad can do. And yet I still strongly believe the Spidey Squad takes this match.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I can tell that their is a lot of people on this site that dont read xmen or wolverine comics because they seem to no nothing of sabertooth or anyone in the wolverine squad. Sabertooth fight people like the spiderman squad on a regular basis. He have taken on xfactor, weaponx, xmen, excalabor, generation x, spiderman and punisher at the same time, luke cage and iron fist at the same time, alpha flight, the hand, etc..... He have enough skill to go one on one with any of these fighters and probably could win. Noone on the wolverine squad gives up until they have actually won the fight or at least caused serious damage and I cant see the people on spiderman team dodging everything that these people throw at them, they might dodge some but not all and thats all it would take is one hit. Now on the spiderman list, yeh theyre going to land blows but sabertooth, cyber, omega red, and lady death strike is going to get right back up due to there durability and healing factor, (dont know about silver samarai. Can you say the same for the other squad. If sabertooth stabs his hand threw the lizard chest will he get back up. If lady deathstrike cut doc ock legs off, will he still be fighting. You get my point.

Yeah. Accept it and move on.

Originally posted by lando005
i think your giving wolverine and his enemies too much credit.... last time i checked the spider foes had thier fair share of blood on thier hands too also as far as controlling and useing them as weapons there's a major diffrence here woverine is good just not nearly as good as everyone makes him out to be not to mention he's been brainwashed countless times already he's not the most mentaly stable guy around same can be said for the rest of his crew which makes them a better choice to use as weapons cause they have already been broken once they can be controlled again, also it was a lot easier to find wolverine that it was spider-man so if i wanted to use a hero to take over the world i would go with one i would have an easier time finding and overpowering for the most part wolverine and his foes are all just durable fighting blades nothing more where as there is a ton of versitility on the spider foe side

What you said did make sense. How is it hard to find spiderman when you could go to his city and cause havok. If apocalypse wanted spiderman he could get spiderman, easily but he dont want spiderman because I cant see spiderman accomplishing anything, you could just throw doc ock at spiderman if he was taken over by apocalypse and doc ock would just knock him out. Youre right about wolverine not being mentally stable but he have his reasons, maybe if people stop trying to use the ultimate weapon (got that fraze from the marvel encyclopedia) against everyone he'll be ok, that why spiderman goes to bed just find, (except he just got beat to death by a dude with superstrength that could be killed by bullets.). Spiderman and his enemies are good but if I had to hire someone to be my body gaurd and I had a choice out of sabertooth or the lizard, I would quickly go for sabertooth (if he dont back stab me). And why do people keep bringing up strength difference. Daredevil fights people everyday with superstrength, do he lose, no. Batman fights people everyday with superstrength do he lose, no. You can have great strength but could still be a loser.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I can tell that their is a lot of people on this site that dont read xmen or wolverine comics because they seem to no nothing of sabertooth or anyone in the wolverine squad. Sabertooth fight people like the spiderman squad on a regular basis. He have taken on xfactor, weaponx, xmen, excalabor, generation x, spiderman and punisher at the same time, luke cage and iron fist at the same time, alpha flight, the hand, etc..... He have enough skill to go one on one with any of these fighters and probably could win. Noone on the wolverine squad gives up until they have actually won the fight or at least caused serious damage and I cant see the people on spiderman team dodging everything that these people throw at them, they might dodge some but not all and thats all it would take is one hit. Now on the spiderman list, yeh theyre going to land blows but sabertooth, cyber, omega red, and lady death strike is going to get right back up due to there durability and healing factor, (dont know about silver samarai. Can you say the same for the other squad. If sabertooth stabs his hand threw the lizard chest will he get back up. If lady deathstrike cut doc ock legs off, will he still be fighting. You get my point.

Being a big Wolverine fan, I'm just being realistic. When you on other hand just vote for some you like best. The thing is that Spider-man and every villain on the list fought characters FAR more powerfull than anyone on the list and some of them fight such characters on a regular basis. You just say Wolverine can do this and that. But tell me what could Wolverine do to Venom? He tried to stab him many times and even stabbed him through and Venom was only laughing at him. What could sabertooth do to GreenGoblin that is flying in the air and throwing dozens bombs at him? How is lady D. gonna avoid Doc Ock's arms and stab him if even entire sinister six team together with Spider-man and Hulk couldn't avoid his arms and land a hit? Wolvie villains got healing factor. Big deal. It won't save them if Venom uses his symbiote to rape their brains and make them believe that they are kids from elementary school. (yes, symbiote could do that). And healing factor won't help against arms that could ripp off your skeleton. You got my point.

lets not forget that with the exception of gorgon these r the toughest foes wolverine has the OP watered down the spider-foes quite a bit