Originally posted by jmcnasty
we have a lot of wolverine haters on this site, if you were to put mr.x on the team of wolverine, spiderman villians wont be able to touch him. Omega red powers can take out half the team and the spiderman villian dont have no way physically to take down cyber who can just scratch any of the spider villians once and take over the mind and thats all gorgon would have to do is fight the entire time without his glasses on and turn any of them to solid stone. I think that the spiderman villian are at a disadvantage. I never knew there were so many wolverine haters. Sabertooth can hold his own against any of the fighters out there because wolverine has held his own plenty of times against venom and there has never been a winner out of the two. I think lady deathstrike is quick enough to get in close to get a strike off of the lizard or doc ock and thats all it will take is one strike. The thing that you dont see is that all of wolverine enemies on this site have a healing factor or there very durable. The team you have conjure are physical fighting beings and the enemies you have made for wolverine can hardly be beaten by physical force. Also the fighters you have put on wolverine side are some of the best fighters in the marvel universe while the ones on spiderman side dont know how to do nothing but just punch and kick (no strategy). Ill give it to wolverine team and if omega red and gorgon start off using there powers in the beginning of the fight it will be very easy.
jmcnasty, I agree with you on many of your points. I made this thread originally thinking that the wolverine enemies were too powerful for the spiderman enemies (who I originally included Carnage). But from the responses from almost everyone saying the spidey team will win, I adjusted the scenario and replaced carnage with lizard. Still it seems most believe that spidey team will easily win. I don't quite understand as I always thought sabretooth, omega red, and cyber were some damn tough baddies that nobody wanted to mess with. Now I guess Venom could just beat them all on his own. And since Spidey can hold his own against venom, guess spidey can just whoop them too. Conclusion: Wolverine is a pathetic sack of shit, apparently.
oh, and there is no Gorgon in my scenario.
majority of the villians you have named almost took over a city or the country. Ex; gorgon almost took over the united states, killing some of the strongest villian and heros on the planet. Cyber took over madripoor, omega red almost took over russia, had to put him on ice, sabertooth fought the entire xfactor and half the xmen by himself and always end up almost killing someone (also took down the powerful wendigo, someone who hulk couldnt even defeat). It took spiderman and punisher to tackle sabertooth and spiderman almost died during that fight but sabertooth let him go and jumped out the window. Silver samurai (the weak link but could still hold his own against any of them) is a crime lord and is hired by the best. I just seen a book where venom got mud stomped by black bolts wife, any of these fighter might could take or could stalemate him. Rhino is just an idiot any of the fighter that poses adamantium can kill him.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Venom would shove tendrils through his mouth, eyes and ears and f**k him up from the inside out. Hallucinogens and various toxins/poisons have almost no effect on Venom.
Does venom have an easy time shoving tendrils up his opponent's faces? If so, then how the hell does spiderman, wolverine, and others always hold their own when fighting him?
like i said on every site that have spiderman. In marvel knight #13 wolverine easily stuck his claws into spiderman chest and could have finished him but he did it as pay back and then captain america fussed at wolverine which led to spiderman getting angry attacking wolverine. wolverine put his hands over his head and treated spiderman like a little baby saying "spiderman you can stop punching me at any time I dont want to have to hurt you", spiderman punches didnt have any affect. Also in new avengers, i think its # 6 the writer stated that besides spider girl spiderman is the weakest person on the team. He said next to captain america wolverine and iron man spiderman man is going to look like a chump because some fan of spiderman was asking the new avengers writer not to make spiderman look weak next to the other hero's.
Originally posted by Sub_MarinerThat was a different Rhino with the Leader's mind who was using his powers in a much different way. Rhino could never beat Hulk going H2H.
Rhino has beat Hulk, is he a street leveller?😛
But overall I think Spidey Villains take it although I think Wolverine or Cyber kill Rhino pretty easily if you ask me.
Venom is good but he isn't going to destroy everyone here.
In fact I would say 3/5s of the Spidey Villains proibably die rather quickly in Doc Ock the Lizard and Rhino.
Doc Ock only has human durability and a decent hit from any of these people should kill him and Omega Red can beat him at his own game of tendrils. Lizard is tough but he is pretty easy to kill as well comapred to the others.
GG's ability of flight keeps him in.
Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
I thought you meant are Cable and IM street levellers.So i said is Hulk. 😛
You suggested wolverine's enemies are street levelers, so I pointed out that that is not true, ie Omega Red took out very powerful characters such as Ironman and Cable.
On the other hand, I never said Spiderman's foes were street levelers so I don't quite understand why you pointed out Rhino beat Hulk, since I know that Rhino is a formidable foe. 💃
Originally posted by masterbrucenever said anything about this being an easy fight it's going to be nasty but it is what it is both spidy and wolverine are A listers but they are on diffrent tiers of power someone noted the venom cyber match so i was adding onto that (and yes he can easily shove the symbiote up his nose and mouth and yes he has tried this on spidy before) another huge factor is doc ock he knows have this team is using adamantium so his best bet is to go 1 oppoent at a time i dont see anyone on the wolverine villan team who could dodge all 4 of doc ocks arms for more than 2 minutes
jmcnasty, I agree with you on many of your points. I made this thread originally thinking that the wolverine enemies were too powerful for the spiderman enemies (who I originally included Carnage). But from the responses from almost everyone saying the spidey team will win, I adjusted the scenario and replaced carnage with lizard. Still it seems most believe that spidey team will easily win. I don't quite understand as I always thought sabretooth, omega red, and cyber were some damn tough baddies that nobody wanted to mess with. Now I guess Venom could just beat them all on his own. And since Spidey can hold his own against venom, guess spidey can just whoop them too. Conclusion: Wolverine is a pathetic sack of shit, apparently.oh, and there is no Gorgon in my scenario.
Originally posted by Newjak
That was a different Rhino with the Leader's mind who was using his powers in a much different way. Rhino could never beat Hulk going H2H.But overall I think Spidey Villains take it although I think Wolverine or Cyber kill Rhino pretty easily if you ask me.
Venom is good but he isn't going to destroy everyone here.
In fact I would say 2/3s of the Spidey Villains proibably die rather quickly in Doc Ock the Lizard and Rhino.
Doc Ock only has human durability and a decent hit from any of these people should kill him and Omega Red can beat him at his own game of tendrils. Lizard is tough but he is pretty easy to kill as well comapred to the others.
GG's ability of flight keeps him in.
I was joking anyway, just trying to bring up like Rhinos only ever win.
Venom Can take most of the team out.
Doc Ock would be owning Wolverine villians all over the place.
Lizards HF owns most of the others. Limb Regeneration is good enough for me.
Ocks arms could take ORs tendrils match for match.
Originally posted by Sub_MarinerLizard's HF was to limbs only I thought. I thought other than that he really isn't that invulnerable.
I was joking anyway, just trying to bring up like Rhinos only ever win.Venom Can take most of the team out.
Doc Ock would be owning Wolverine villians all over the place.
Lizards HF owns most of the others. Limb Regeneration is good enough for me.
Ocks arms could take ORs tendrils match for match.
Doc Ocks tentacles are tough but OR has his Death Spoer Thingy's as well and besides OR can take a hit from Doc Ock not the other way around is what I meant and yes OR more than likely murders him quickly.
Rhino is tough but not tough enough to take on Admantium and Cyber could stab him in the head rather easily.
Venom is tough but not unbeatable and while he does posse quite a few problems he isn't owning the whole team by himself.
the only threat that i see if gg because venom havent accomplished nothing to prove to me that he can beat any of these fighters except maybe silver samarai. Wolverine has owned venom and proved many of times to be to fast for venom, like I said before black bolts wife with the hair almost killed venom, juggernaut SLAUGHTERED venom, hulk slaughter venom, whereas wolverine hold his own against hulk and made juggernaut run off one time, bone clawed wolverine held his own against venom. Lizard is out of the picture, I think that silver samarai can take him, his blade can cut through anything. Doc ock, he a regular human, one slice from any of them. rhino I think that adamantium can easily cut threw him - he goes down easily and hard and with sabertooth ferocity and never giving up attitude and forever pumping healing factor that is combined with adamantium bones and over 100 years of fighting skill under his belt he would take venom. The only villian on the roster on spiderman side that have actually done something for himself was carnage and now he's a nobody. I seen the police take him down with a barrage of bullets. You all are giving spiderman villians too much credit.