Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by jmcnasty
like i said on every site that have spiderman. In marvel knight #13 wolverine easily stuck his claws into spiderman chest and could have finished him but he did it as pay back and then captain america fussed at wolverine which led to spiderman getting angry attacking wolverine. wolverine put his hands over his head and treated spiderman like a little baby saying "spiderman you can stop punching me at any time I dont want to have to hurt you", spiderman punches didnt have any affect. Also in new avengers, i think its # 6 the writer stated that besides spider girl spiderman is the weakest person on the team. He said next to captain america wolverine and iron man spiderman man is going to look like a chump because some fan of spiderman was asking the new avengers writer not to make spiderman look weak next to the other hero's.

They wolvie squad is more durable than the spidey squad. Every one of them has enhanced healing abilities, many have adamantium skeletons or admantium armor. Also, their attacks are much more deadly, sharp claws that will cut through steel like butter. Omega Red also has his death spores which can kill or weaken people near him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Lizard's HF was to limbs only I thought. I thought other than that he really isn't that invulnerable.

Doc Ocks tentacles are tough but OR has his Death Spoer Thingy's as well and besides OR can take a hit from Doc Ock not the other way around is what I meant and yes OR more than likely murders him quickly.

Rhino is tough but not tough enough to take on Admantium and Cyber could stab him in the head rather easily.

Venom is tough but not unbeatable and while he does posse quite a few problems he isn't owning the whole team by himself.

If Rhino non jobs for once, he could take most of the team alone.

80 tonner, 100mph runs.

Venom owns most of the team.

OR may take Doc Ock, but GG or someone jumps on OR with Ock.

well, it's not a matter of nonjobbing, you have to factor a character's personality and intelligence into these matches. And frankly, Rhino may be strong as a rhino, but also dumb as one too.

Originally posted by masterbruce
well, it's not a matter of nonjobbing, you have to factor a character's personality and intelligence into these matches. And frankly, Rhino may be strong as a rhino, but also dumb as one too.

Yes, Rhino is dumb, he will just swing his arms like mad or something.

Originally posted by masterbruce
They wolvie squad is more durable than the spidey squad. Every one of them has enhanced healing abilities, many have adamantium skeletons or admantium armor. Also, their attacks are much more deadly, sharp claws that will cut through steel like butter. Omega Red also has his death spores which can kill or weaken people near him.

I'm not saying healing is everything, but it is still a good advantage to have in any fight longer than 5 minutes as your injuries don't accumulate as seriously as one would without enhanced healing ability.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
I was joking anyway, just trying to bring up like Rhinos only ever win.

Venom Can take most of the team out.

Doc Ock would be owning Wolverine villians all over the place.

Lizards HF owns most of the others. Limb Regeneration is good enough for me.

Ocks arms could take ORs tendrils match for match.

Doc ock wont be doing anything while getting his tendrils sliced off by lady deathstrike and it stated that her reflexes is super human. When i see venom do a great stunt like wolverine, ex; wolverine takes over new york - he fought majority every none hero and villian by himself and defeated them all. Wolverine took on the entire xmen by himself, fantastic four, alpha flight, stalemated wendigo, stalemate hulk, kills 1000s of ninjas in about everyone of his book. In one book he was thought to be dead and he was on a building scoping a building because a child was kidnapped by a group of powered thugs and spiderman seen wolverine on the roof thinking that it was an imposter and he attacked. Wolverine smelled him coming and dodged him leaving spiderman saying "this is the fastest person I met" and spiderman leaped at wolverine and got kicked in the stomach and got back up and charged wolverine ending with wolverine grabbing him by the neck put his claws under his neck. When spiderman seen the claws he realized it was wolverine. If wolverine wanted to kill spiderman he could have.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
If Rhino non jobs for once, he could take most of the team alone.

80 tonner, 100mph runs.

Venom owns most of the team.

OR may take Doc Ock, but GG or someone jumps on OR with Ock.

As stated most of Woley's guys are very skill combatents much more skilled then anyone on Spidey's team. That kind of skill with their weapons is hard for anyone to overcome.

OR takes Doc Ock by himself simple as that. Death Spores Tendril that can match Doc Ock's blow for blow as well as the fact that he more than likely can take a hit from Doc Ock no problem and then stick one through his head wins it for him right there.

Venom is tough but he has been held off by lower tier guys before in fact Wolverine has fought Venom before and held his own. Lizard is tough but I doubt he survives getting his head cut off.

Once again this is how it goes raw power advantage goes to Spidey' villains.

Only because of Venom everyone else besides GG can easily be killed on there team.

While Wolverine's Villains have the Skill and durability advantage and more than likely would be able to use their teamwork better than the Spidey villains would.

In fact the more I think about it the more I think Spidey Villains loose. I see almost anyone on Wolvey's Villains killing Rhino or Lizard pretty easliy and 3 of the guys killing Doc Ock easily.

That makes it 2 against 5 I say within the first few moments of the match.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Doc ock wont be doing anything while getting his tendrils sliced off by lady deathstrike and it stated that her reflexes is super human. When i see venom do a great stunt like wolverine, ex; wolverine takes over new york - he fought majority every none hero and villian by himself and defeated them all. Wolverine took on the entire xmen by himself, fantastic four, alpha flight, stalemated wendigo, stalemate hulk, kills 1000s of ninjas in about everyone of his book. In one book he was thought to be dead and he was on a building scoping a building because a child was kidnapped by a group of powered thugs and spiderman seen wolverine on the roof thinking that it was an imposter and he attacked. Wolverine smelled him coming and dodged him leaving spiderman saying "this is the fastest person I met" and spiderman leaped at wolverine and got kicked in the stomach and got back up and charged wolverine ending with wolverine grabbing him by the neck put his claws under his neck. When spiderman seen the claws he realized it was wolverine. If wolverine wanted to kill spiderman he could have.

Wolverine has nothing to do with this fight, except his villians are fighting. 😕

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Wolverine has nothing to do with this fight, except his villians are fighting. 😕

Originally posted by lando005
when wolverine stabed him that was a training session not a real fight inother words they werent really going at it also u want to get technical spidy also kncoked him out of the penthouse through unbreakable glass, look you may not like spiidy but he is far from a weak link as far as A-listers go wolverine is good but spider-man is better he is far more versitle able to use a combo of his spider powers and his book smarts i'm not downplaying wolverine and i'm not trying to turn this inot a spidy vs wolverine thing here like your trying to do but spider-man is far more useful than wolverine

Spiderman is great but spiderman strength will do no kind of harm against wolverine. Also I have been collecting the new avengers book and spiderman does look like the weak link. Just like the crusher told spiderman, hes nothing but a pest but while spiderman was getting slung across the city wolverine was the one who actually posed the most threat to the crusher than the ever loving spiderman and i do love spiderman but I just know his limits and he needs to stick to fighting his enhance humans that is bred in a lab with no training under there belt.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thats where I disagree Rhino is tough when not Jobbing but I always thought Wolverine does better against Rhino than Spider man does. It is simple Rhino Charges anyopne with Admantium Blades and a Healing Factor take the impact and simply pierce Rhino through his head. Rhino is tough but he isn't tough enough to take Admantium through the head.

As stated most of Woley's guys are very skill combatents much more skilled then anyone on Spidey's team. That kind of skill with their weapons is hard for anyone to overcome.

OR takes Doc Ock by himself simple as that. Death Spores Tendril that can match Doc Ock's blow for blow as well as the fact that he more than likely can take a hit from Doc Ock no problem and then stick one through his head wins it for him right there.

Venom is tough but he has been held off by lower tier guys before in fact Wolverine has fought Venom before and held his own. Lizard is tough but I doubt he survives getting his head cut off.

Once again this is how it goes raw power advantage goes to Spidey' villains.

Only because of Venom everyone else besides GG can easily be killed on there team.

While Wolverine's Villains have the Skill and durability advantage and more than likely would be able to use their teamwork better than the Spidey villains would.

In fact the more I think about it the more I think Spidey Villains loose. I see almost anyone on Wolvey's Villains killing Rhino or Lizard pretty easliy and 3 of the guys killing Doc Ock easily.

That makes it 2 against 5 I say within the first few moments of the match.

Doc Ock takes Deathstrike or SS.

Venom will take OR and Sabertooth.

GG and Lizard will take Cyber and DS or SS.

Which GG is this anyway? Urich?

I had Harry in mind.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Doc Ock takes Deathstrike or SS.

Venom will take OR and Sabertooth.

GG and Lizard will take Cyber and DS or SS.

And Wolverine has stalemated Venom for awhile and while I think Wolverine winning would be PIS him holding Venom off isn't. Therefore Sabertooth could do the same thing. Maybe not beat him but still hold him off and Cyber is supposed to be better than Sabertooth I thought. So those two together I think take Venom.

Basically Either Sabertooth or Cyber hold Venom off long enough for the others to clean house and then they all gang up on Venom.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think he is trying to point out whatever Wolverine can do his Villians can do as well because alot of them are carbon copies with some extra abilties to make it harder on Wolverine.

True statement, he just didnt catch on. Everyone on wolverine team has a healing factor and adamantium to stop any physical attack, except silver samarai. They have been taking much more punishment than anyone on spiderman team can dish out and got up with no problem. Omega red is almost invulnerable and cyber is almost invulnerable. Like I stated before theyre some of the best fighters on the planet. Cyber almost defeated the entire xfactor by himself but venom is struggling to beat a girl that fights with her hair. You all just dont think before you type. When I see any of these fighters tackle the xmen by themselves or fight and BEAT someone as powerful as the wendigo, then I'll say that they have a chance at beating wolverine foes. Sabertooth also took down the weopon x superpowered team by himself.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes which brings me to another point.
This is a fight of match ups. Whoever can get the best match ups win. Basically I would give that to Wolverine's Team because they are aalled skilled combatents in fighting and in a team fight most would know that is key.

And Wolverine has stalemated Venom for awhile and while I think Wolverine winning would be PIS him holding Venom off isn't. Therefore Sabertooth could do the same thing. Maybe not beat him but still hold him off and Cyber is supposed to be better than Sabertooth I thought. So those two together I think take Venom.

Basically Either Sabertooth or Cyber hold Venom off long enough for the others to clean house and then they all gang up on Venom.

Wolverine beat Venom!So?

Spidey has beat Wolv, Wolv has beat spidey, Venom has beat spidey, Spidey has beat Venom.

Someone would step in and take Cyber and Tooth so they don't double team.

I think Lizard could do this:

Known Powers: Lizard has enhanced strength, agility and durability. Ability to climb walls like a gecko, run at 45 mph, and leap 18 feet. He can whip his tail at over 70 mph. Can telepathically communicate with, and control, reptiles.
Known Abilities: Connors has genius intelligence and is a world reknowned herpetologist (reptile scientist).
Strength Level: Able to lift at least 12 tons (as Lizard), normal human male with little regular exercise (as Connors).

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes which brings me to another point.
This is a fight of match ups. Whoever can get the best match ups win. Basically I would give that to Wolverine's Team because they are aalled skilled combatents in fighting and in a team fight most would know that is key.

And Wolverine has stalemated Venom for awhile and while I think Wolverine winning would be PIS him holding Venom off isn't. Therefore Sabertooth could do the same thing. Maybe not beat him but still hold him off and Cyber is supposed to be better than Sabertooth I thought. So those two together I think take Venom.

Basically Either Sabertooth or Cyber hold Venom off long enough for the others to clean house and then they all gang up on Venom.

Venom is great but i just dont think that he can handle the poison in cyber claws. One strike and venom is out of the fight and that wont be hard for cyber considering that he is a LOT better fighter than venom and has speed of his own and can take about anything that venom can dish out.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Spiderman is great but spiderman strength will do no kind of harm against wolverine. Also I have been collecting the new avengers book and spiderman does look like the weak link. Just like the crusher told spiderman, hes nothing but a pest but while spiderman was getting slung across the city wolverine was the one who actually posed the most threat to the crusher than the ever loving spiderman and i do love spiderman but I just know his limits and he needs to stick to fighting his enhance humans that is bred in a lab with no training under there belt.