Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Wolverine beat Venom!So?

Spidey has beat Wolv, Wolv has beat spidey, Venom has beat spidey, Spidey has beat Venom.

Someone would step in and take Cyber and Tooth so they don't double team.

I think Lizard could do this:

Known Powers: Lizard has enhanced strength, agility and durability. Ability to climb walls like a gecko, run at 45 mph, and leap 18 feet. He can whip his tail at over 70 mph. Can telepathically communicate with, and control, reptiles.
Known Abilities: Connors has genius intelligence and is a world reknowned herpetologist (reptile scientist).
Strength Level: Able to lift at least 12 tons (as Lizard), normal human male with little regular exercise (as Connors).

Lizard is tough but he doesn't have a true healing factor there fore any real damage given to him will put him down not so for the otehr team.

Like I said I see Wolverine's Villain playing the team angle better working together better and with some off them being able to easily kill off other people on the team quickly.

All it takes is for one person to stalemate Venom long enough for this to take place and as Wolverine has already done it either Sabertooth or Cyber could do it.

Another Key point though is that Doc Ock's Tentacles are only good if they are attached to his body and seeing how most of these guys can easily cut through them I don't see how he really is that big a factor anymore.

Basically all the Spidey Villains have going for them is Venon and he can be stalemated long enough for the rest of the team to get killed pretty quickly.

Originally posted by lando005
you mean the wreker the same wreker who wreked wolverines face and was tearing through the avengers to include spiderman and woloverine, stick to the facts wolverine only got that hit in because spiderwoman(the so called weak link) was distracting him with her pharmones, wolverine also got some frequent flier miles in that fight as well infact i dont see any "weak links" on the new avengers roster, nobody's perfect unlike dc marvel characters also have bad days and make mistakes dispite their skill level. wolverine just is not as versitle as spidy and spidy villans are far from pushovers

Theyre not push overs they just dont have a name for themselves like wolverine villian does. Like i said the only villian that spiderman has that made something of himself is carnage, the rest are nobodies that get tackled everyday by weaklings.

Originally posted by Newjak
Spidey also has a Spider Sense to help make up the differnce in Skill level without it it he would be dead because Wolverine more than likely takes it. Thats another thread though because Venom and the rest of the Team Don't have Spider Senses to help them.

Lizard is tough but he doesn't have a true healing factor there fore any real damage given to him will put him down not so for the otehr team.

Like I said I see Wolverine's Villain playing the team angle better working together better and with some off them being able to easily kill off other people on the team quickly.

All it takes is for one person to stalemate Venom long enough for this to take place and as Wolverine has already done it either Sabertooth or Cyber could do it.

Another Key point though is that Doc Ock's Tentacles are only good if they are attached to his body and seeing how most of these guys can easily cut through them I don't see how he really is that big a factor anymore.

Basically all the Spidey Villains have going for them is Venon and he can be stalemated long enough for the rest of the team to get killed pretty quickly.

Good Points.

But, if Lizard can handle DS or someone fast enough he could face Cyber while Venom starts owning everyone.

Lizard is pretty damn fast, 45mph, 18ft leep?

I'm sure Doc Ock controls his arms with his mind, even when off his body, or is that just Ult. Ock?

Venom could be jumping and dodging for a while, plus firing multiple tendrils and such at them, they can come from all over his body.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Top 5 foes of the 2 heroes face each other in a battle for villainous supremacy. Each team has 1 hour prep and the battle takes place in the middle of NYC.

Spidey Squad: Venom, Green Goblin, Lizard, Doctor Octopus, and Rhino

versus

Wolvie Squad: Sabretooth, Omega Red, Silver Samurai, Lady Deathstrike and Cyber

Spidey Squad for the win.

Originally posted by Newjak
Spidey also has a Spider Sense to help make up the differnce in Skill level without it it he would be dead because Wolverine more than likely takes it. Thats another thread though because Venom and the rest of the Team Don't have Spider Senses to help them.

Lizard is tough but he doesn't have a true healing factor there fore any real damage given to him will put him down not so for the otehr team.

Like I said I see Wolverine's Villain playing the team angle better working together better and with some off them being able to easily kill off other people on the team quickly.

All it takes is for one person to stalemate Venom long enough for this to take place and as Wolverine has already done it either Sabertooth or Cyber could do it.

Another Key point though is that Doc Ock's Tentacles are only good if they are attached to his body and seeing how most of these guys can easily cut through them I don't see how he really is that big a factor anymore.

Basically all the Spidey Villains have going for them is Venon and he can be stalemated long enough for the rest of the team to get killed pretty quickly.

You make some good points, except for the venom thing. I have seen wolverine slice venom tongue off (with the bone claws) leaving venom in pain. I have seen black bolt wife stabbed him in the back with her hair knocking him out. I think that wolverine enemies can cut through venom just fine.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Good Points.

But, if Lizard can handle DS or someone fast enough he could face Cyber while Venom starts owning everyone.

Lizard is pretty damn fast, 45mph, 18ft leep?

I'm sure Doc Ock controls his arms with his mind, even when off his body, or is that just Ult. Ock?

Venom could be jumping and dodging for a while, plus firing multiple tendrils and such at them, they can come from all over his body.

As for Doc Ock's arms I'm pretty sure they have to be connected to his body for them to work.

Venom's good but basically everyone on the other team has HFs and insane skill. Venom has been stalemated by Wolverine. I don't see him beating Cyber and Sabertooth at the same time. I don't think Lizard is enough to hold off anyone long enough for Venom to dispose of Sabertooth.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Theyre not push overs they just dont have a name for themselves like wolverine villian does. Like i said the only villian that spiderman has that made something of himself is carnage, the rest are nobodies that get tackled everyday by weaklings.

Originally posted by Newjak
Lizard is good but he isn't Spiderman and he doesn't have a spidey sense. One good slash to the torso or head he is done.

As for Doc Ock's arms I'm pretty sure they have to be connected to his body for them to work.

Venom's good but basically everyone on the other team has HFs and insane skill. Venom has been stalemated by Wolverine. I don't see him beating Cyber and Sabertooth at the same time. I don't think Lizard is enough to hold off anyone long enough for Venom to dispose of Sabertooth.

Telepathic Control over Tentacles: Octopus can control the actions of his artificial arms psionically, even when they have been severed from his body and are seperated from him by vast distances (a distance of 900 miles has been recorded).

Telescoping: Each tentacle is approximately six feet long at full contraction, but can extend to a maximum of 24 feet in length.

Superhuman Striking Force: Each tentacle is capable of moving at a speed of ninety feet per second and strike with the force of a jackhammer.

Should put down Sabertooth and 3 others quite easily.

Originally posted by lando005
they are far from nobodies venom is far from a nobidy, the goblins are far from nobidies DOC OCK is far from a nobody that's the most obsurd thing i've heard thoes are some hightly rated villians your reffering to

Tell me one good accomplishment for your spider team and I can top yours with the wolverine team. Tell me a time that one of spiderman villian have fought a team by themselves and i can match yours with wolverine. I bet you cant name not one of them besides carnage.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Telepathic Control over Tentacles: Octopus can control the actions of his artificial arms psionically, even when they have been severed from his body and are seperated from him by vast distances (a distance of 900 miles has been recorded).

Telescoping: Each tentacle is approximately six feet long at full contraction, but can extend to a maximum of 24 feet in length.

Superhuman Striking Force: Each tentacle is capable of moving at a speed of ninety feet per second and strike with the force of a jackhammer.

Should put down Sabertooth and 3 others quite easily.

Besides it really doesn't matter. Like I said they easily cut through them. It doesn't matter if its once twice or three times until their useless. Besides like I said Death Spores and he is done for the most part.

Originally posted by Newjak
Where is this from and has Doc Ock really shown this?

Besides it really doesn't matter. Like I said they easily cut through them. It doesn't matter if its once twice or three times until their useless. Besides like I said Death Spores and he is done for the most part.

Marvel Database, Ult. Ock controlled the arms w/o them been attatched.

Ock could take out 1->3 people before OR can do much.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Top 5 foes of the 2 heroes face each other in a battle for villainous supremacy. Each team has 1 hour prep and the battle takes place in the middle of NYC.

Spidey Squad: Venom, Green Goblin, Lizard, Doctor Octopus, and Rhino

versus

Wolvie Squad: Sabretooth, Omega Red, Silver Samurai, Lady Deathstrike and Cyber

Since when are either of those teams the "top 5" villains for Wolverine or Spider-Man?

meh, anyway, Omega Red's death spores are pretty indiscriminate about who they effect... so Silver Samurai is screwed and the rest of the W team's healing factor's are knocked down quite a few pegs

Doc Ock would also be screwed, Venom, Goblin and Lizard all have healing abilities that would keep them in the fight .... Rhino does have protection against a lot of things... but I'm not sure about this type of attack

Ok... let's say it's now:

Omega Red
Cyber (does he even have a healing factor?... anyone got scans or issue #s?)
Sabretooth
Deathstrike

Vs

Venom
Lizard
Green Goblin

Nobody has really mentioned GG much yet, but in this fight with everyone's healing abilities reduced, his flight and weaponry will be huge factors... a single bomb should put down anyone except Cyber for quite a while

Venom can obviously web the crap out of the whole opposing team and slow them all way down/incapacitate them (claws are only good for cutting webbing if they can move their arms through the required motion)

Ever remaining member of the "S" team is far stronger and faster than anyone on the "W" team ... with the possible exception of Cyber (in strength, not speed)

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Marvel Database, Ult. Ock controlled the arms w/o them been attatched.

Ock could take out 1->3 people before OR can do much.

OR's Sopres are pretty quick and I don't see Ock taking out anyone quickly. Basically he goes and tries to attack someone he gets one arm cut off and then they go in for the kill. These people don't play around like Spiderman. They're going to keep pressing him until he is dead. He'll be to concerned with his head staying on his shoulders to try and tell one of his fallen arms to move.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Tell me one good accomplishment for your spider team and I can top yours with the wolverine team. Tell me a time that one of spiderman villian have fought a team by themselves and i can match yours with wolverine. I bet you cant name not one of them besides carnage.

for example goblin carries enough ko gas on him to put that entire team to sleep everyone has wins or losses feats dont mean much when the fight begins

Originally posted by Scoobless
Since when are either of those teams the "top 5" villains for Wolverine or Spider-Man?

meh, anyway, Omega Red's death spores are pretty indiscriminate about who they effect... so Silver Samurai is screwed and the rest of the W team's healing factor's are knocked down quite a few pegs

Doc Ock would also be screwed, Venom, Goblin and Lizard all have healing abilities that would keep them in the fight .... Rhino does have protection against a lot of things... but I'm not sure about this type of attack

Ok... let's say it's now:

Omega Red
Cyber (does he even have a healing factor?... anyone got scans or issue #s?)
Sabretooth
Deathstrike

Vs

Venom
Lizard
Green Goblin

Nobody has really mentioned GG much yet, but in this fight with everyone's healing abilities reduced, his flight and weaponry will be huge factors... a single bomb should put down anyone except Cyber for quite a while

Venom can obviously web the crap out of the whole opposing team and slow them all way down/incapacitate them (claws are only good for cutting webbing if they can move their arms through the required motion)

Ever remaining member of the "S" team is far stronger and faster than anyone on the "W" team ... with the possible exception of Cyber (in strength, not speed)

Besides it now is 4 or three and once again I would give the teamwork adavntage to Wolverine's Team.

It seems like the spidey supporters here are assuming their team will land all of their hits (ie, Venom will be able to web and tendril everyone at will, GG will hit his targets with pumpkins and no one will jump out of the way, Doc Oc's tentacles will grab everyone before they have a chance to strike back)

what if you assume wolvie's team lands their hits (OR strangles Doc Oc with his faster tentacles (which are part of him and not mechanical add-ons), Lady Deathstrike lopping off lizards head with one swipe, Cyber poisoning Rhino in the face, Sabretooth holding his own against Venom, and Silver Samurai cutting GG into sushi)

if either of these 2 scenarios are to occur, the second one is more likely as Wolverine's enemies are far more skilled and trained fighters and are faster too.

Originally posted by masterbruce
It seems like the spidey supporters here are assuming their team will land all of their hits (ie, Venom will be able to web and tendril everyone at will, GG will hit his targets with pumpkins and no one will jump out of the way, Doc Oc's tentacles will grab everyone before they have a chance to strike back)

Probably because of the massive speed advantage pretty much everyone on the "S" team has over the "W" team

Originally posted by masterbruce
It seems like the spidey supporters here are assuming their team will land all of their hits (ie, Venom will be able to web and tendril everyone at will, GG will hit his targets with pumpkins and no one will jump out of the way, Doc Oc's tentacles will grab everyone before they have a chance to strike back)

what if you assume wolvie's team lands their hits (OR strangles Doc Oc with his faster tentacles (which are part of him and not mechanical add-ons), Lady Deathstrike lopping off lizards head with one swipe, Cyber poisoning Rhino in the face, Sabretooth holding his own against Venom, and Silver Samurai cutting GG into sushi)

if either of these 2 scenarios are to occur, the second one is more likely as Wolverine's enemies are far more skilled and trained fighters and are faster too.

Originally posted by masterbruce
It seems like the spidey supporters here are assuming their team will land all of their hits (ie, Venom will be able to web and tendril everyone at will, GG will hit his targets with pumpkins and no one will jump out of the way, Doc Oc's tentacles will grab everyone before they have a chance to strike back)

what if you assume wolvie's team lands their hits (OR strangles Doc Oc with his faster tentacles (which are part of him and not mechanical add-ons), Lady Deathstrike lopping off lizards head with one swipe, Cyber poisoning Rhino in the face, Sabretooth holding his own against Venom, and Silver Samurai cutting GG into sushi)

if either of these 2 scenarios are to occur, the second one is more likely as Wolverine's enemies are far more skilled and trained fighters and are faster too.

That was a gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood point. People isnt looking at it the other way and theyre not looking at the fact that wolverine team has WAY more experience then the other and theyre all great tactians and theyre some of the best fighters out there along with great powers. Each and everyone of spiderman villians all started off as a common thug that was granted powers but theyre still just common thugs that is still basically human. I have witness venom getting sliced to bits on many occasions and it wont be any different with the wolverine team doing so.

Originally posted by lando005
i'll say it again it's not going to be an easy fight on either side and neither one of thoes scinearios are likely to happen they are faster than some but not all looking at the over all teams the wolverine side has duribiity healing teamwork and mostly just bladed weapons while on the spider villian side they have the edge in versitilty if the cards are played right on either side one or the other might win but to help me reach a better conclusion A does doc ock have his adamantium arms and B which goblin is this and what does he have in his bag

If he does have adamatium arms he still goes down but it will just be much harder to take him down. Every man on wolverine team can take a couple of licks from doc ock (except silver samarai) and is agile enough to get in there to get the finishing blow, which would only take one slice.