T&T on the love triangle.

When I was over at Swans and Sparrows (message board) There is a sticky post there that states one of the writers says there is a love triangle. The other says there isnt.

So this must mean the love triangle is false. Its one man she loves?

Which one would you say?

I was just watching CotBP again and I have to say..I cant tell. It could be either. If it ended Jack/Liz it would fit in well with PotC 1 as a movie..if it ended Will/Liz it would fit in well with PotC 1 as a movie..

I'm going to be honest here..movie 1 Jack/Liz is developing into something in DMC ..movie 1 Will/Liz isnt really developing into anything in movie 2..

To me it seems as if Jack/Liz is the true love story in the series..at the moment anyway because they have started with chemistry and the chemistry is continuing where as Will/Liz chemistry has fizzled out already.

eeekkk

so what Yall think?

Or maybe there is no love triangle and Elizabeth ends up on her own? (I cant see that matching in with anything in PotC 1

theres those writers go again to confuse us!

one says one thing and another says the opposite!!

damnit...

id say ur right though lovelyone, J/E fit in with the overall story whereas W/E fit in with the first epic....

their story ended at one with the climatic kiss...we didnt get nemore climatic kisses from them in DMC we got a kiss where the cameras werent on closeup and there was no chemistry there. we got a HOTTER and deffinately an 'unfinished business' kiss from J/E.

With all these spoilers bout jacks dad coming out and J/E being there with jacks dad without WILL id bet its only gonna be a good thing for us J/E shippers....

bloody writers!!!!
How come we get spoilers like wills death etc and yet theres NOTHING about J/E!?!

So frustrating!!!

The triangle is what I would call maybe...transparent. There is technically no 'triangle', but Jack's part in it was to make things more interesting and to partially spur on the story in AWE.

The one thing most people have not considered is how the writers view the relationship between Will and Elizabeth. No, we do not see them interact much together on-screen, but Ted mentioned that Will taught Elizabeth to sword fight, and that they had to do something together 'besides have sex'.

I think that speaks pretty well for what the writers feel about W/E. Also, I think W/E have had a pretty steady love, probably the kind that would make most of us go, "eeewwwwwww," because they are so into each other.

Putting Jack into the mix allows them to experience a bump in their relationship, and AWE will be about them moving beyond it.

It's just my opinion of course, but once again, I'm just going off what I've read from the writers. 😄

wow sword fight...^^..Jack taught Elizabeth to embrace her pirate side he taught her to embrace freedom. If Jack went with Liz..she would have something more to do besides sex..she would be free from a caged life. She could see the world

LOL the "bump in the relationship" crap again..Jack is "fate intervening"..he's not a bump IMO..the entire of DMC is not a bump in the road..IMO now things have just crossed over and it can never be a Will/Liz ending..she's spoiled the feast by eating the waffle first

T.Maria I agree..the kiss ended on another teaser "almost kiss" with Jack/Liz it wasnt THE final kiss between them IMO..not by a long shot...its not the end of their feelings towards eachother either...Liz has the full potential to develop.

To me it suggests another kiss in movie 3..but this time it wont be a lust based one. I think Jack might be the one who kisses HER instead of her being the one to initiate in the kiss.

Its gotta be something we haven't seen yet when it comes to another kiss between the two..And IMO it all poits to Jack leaning in to kiss her and her accepting it.

I know the lack of J/E spoilers..grrr..why are they so ready to confirm things about Will etc but nothing comes out on Jack..its like his story in movie 3 has to remain silent...is it being far more protected than Will spoilers?ALSO there are NO Elizabeth spoilers coming out either...well not that I know of anyway.

surreal44, you also have to read about what T&T says the meaning of the entire series is. and it appears to be Jack ending up with Elizabeth..they said all of that in one paragraph. Its a "trade off" meaning trading something in for something new..and this may be true for each character.

also. Ted said the compass is not pointing towards Jack for sex..so there must be something about him "other than sex" that she finds appealing..

LOl sorry 3rd post in a row.

I think the true love story is Jack/Liz and Will is the "thing in the way of it" I said this in another thread.

Elizabeth says she wants to meet a pirate as a little girl, we see what her true desires are.

THEN Will the "blacksmith" comes into her life

IMAGINE if Will was not in this series at all. And Elizabeth fell off the fort and met her first pirate 🙂 The true love story would be clear as DAY..Its Jack/Liz 100%.. Norrington would have been the "farquad" character.

If the character of Will was not added because Jack was a "risk" back in the day, we would have probaly seen the usual successful T&T screenplay writing with love stories..."Rogue gets the girl" and farquad tries to ruin it all. Its even happening now, the Jack/Liz thing is clearly the way they want to go IMO especially after DMC.

When movie 1ended the writers seem to have made sure Jack/Liz had lots of potential for a possible continuation of the story.

To me its so obvious Jack is the right man for her but Will is there postponing it.

Again Will wanted to be with his father first. Liz is just the thing postponing it.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
When I was over at Swans and Sparrows (message board) There is a sticky post there that states one of the writers says there is a love triangle. The other says there isnt.

So this must mean the love triangle is false. Its one man she loves?

Which one would you say?

I was just watching CotBP again and I have to say..I cant tell. It could be either. If it ended Jack/Liz it would fit in well with PotC 1 as a movie..if it ended Will/Liz it would fit in well with PotC 1 as a movie..

I'm going to be honest here..movie 1 Jack/Liz is developing into something in DMC ..movie 1 Will/Liz isnt really developing into anything in movie 2..

To me it seems as if Jack/Liz is the true love story in the series..at the moment anyway because they have started with chemistry and the chemistry is continuing where as Will/Liz chemistry has fizzled out already.

eeekkk

so what Yall think?

Or maybe there is no love triangle and Elizabeth ends up on her own? (I cant see that matching in with anything in PotC 1

I would rather see her sail off on her own than end up with Will if she cant be with Jack

I would rather see her end up with Norington instead of Will if she cant be with Jack

Will..I just dont like his character..It doesnt seem right that he will end up with her after his development..

i wish that each character had its happy ending. If Will didnt had to die then I prefer for him to get a well suited girl for him and call it all truce with Jack.So Jack can get the girl and each person gets what he/she wants. Or if Will doesnt get a girl then be with his father. You guys must be thinking im cheesy now...

The thing with the triangle is that it can go both ways. Personally, I think there is a triangle, but it depends on your point of view. Some people insist that it's always been Jack who has been on Elizabeth's mind, and that Will was a distraction. There are others who insist that Jack serves solely as a distraction. In either case, there was never a triangle.

I say that there is in that two men care for the same woman, and that woman does not know her feelings yet. She may have gone off with Will at the end of DMC but the fact that the compass pointed at Jack in the first place, and that she kissed him to settle a matter of curiousity indicates that things are not so cut and dry. Elizabeth does not know her own feelings on the matter.

I'm actually curious to know which writer believes what.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
i wish that each character had its happy ending. If Will didnt had to die then I prefer for him to get a well suited girl for him and call it all truce with Jack.So Jack can get the girl and each person gets what he/she wants. Or if Will doesnt get a girl then be with his father. You guys must be thinking im cheesy now...

Not at all! I wish the same thing, but do you see why it can't end that way? DMC has set up a course of events in which there will be a clear victor, but in that, someone has to lose. It may very well be Elizabeth, as she seems to be the cause of the heart ache of not one but three men.

You can argue that what she wants most beyond her perspective love interest is the freedom to be who she truly is. (Which is a pirate). She may be a truly modern woman and decide that she doesn't want the restrictions of being bound to a man, but chose the life of the open sea instead. Anything is possible!

seriosly guys..I think this is the single most significant thing to think of.

Elizabeth says she wants to meet a pirate as a little girl, its her true childhood dream (then will the blacksmith enters)...Imagine if there was no Will added in to movie 1 to balance out the risky character of Jack.

Imagine if Liz had fallen from the fort and met her pirate?

to me..its obvious what the true love story is. Its the one that started before Liz even met Will Turner. The Jack/Liz meeting is far more significant than the W/E meeting. They even tried to make it less suggestive and cut the original scene atmospehric scebe..but it still comes across as he single most important meeting of 2 characters EVER in potc..the W/E one simply introduces the medallion. (in essence..Jack is in this girls life even back then, and he's around the same age as Norrington BTW)

Originally posted by savvysparrow
Not at all! I wish the same thing, but do you see why it can't end that way? DMC has set up a course of events in which there will be a clear victor, but in that, someone has to lose. It may very well be Elizabeth, as she seems to be the cause of the heart ache of not one but three men.

You can argue that what she wants most beyond her perspective love interest is the freedom to be who she truly is. (Which is a pirate). She may be a truly modern woman and decide that she doesn't want the restrictions of being bound to a man, but chose the life of the open sea instead. Anything is possible!

no no no dont worry I see and know it cannot end that way. I just wish that Will didnt had to die apart that his character may be boring, but he still has a purpose. His destiny was to kill davey, I understand that perfectly. I know it cannot be done the way I wished to be with every character gets what they want, but I know it cant be like that. I know what I see and read, and I sadly se no future in Will. So I cant deny facts. But I do wish still Will to be somewhat happy. Boring or not he is human.

Well, I don't know that he'll die. If he dies, that will take AWE out of the realm of bittersweet and border on tragedy. Elizabeth will keep the guilt of his death with her for the rest of her life, as will Jack. J/E wouldn't happen because of his death, at least not by the end of AWE. Not to mention, the loss of life in AWE would be extraordinary given that Norrington, Governor Swann and others are rumored to lose their lives.

He may not die, but he may choose not to return. I see that as being likely, especially if he continues to disgrace himself with his jealous nature. It's going to take him doing something extreme for him to see the error of his ways.

Yeah rumors are that Swann and Norri are gonna die. I dont want no one to die. Its just too sad...I get very emotional lol. But Im not sure how Wills suppose death is gonna be. Supposedly hes gonna be granted immortality. Then technicaly he wont be dead, just a god or a spirit watching over the 7 seas instead of teorrizing like davey did.

they shouldnt have even added in his character in the first place with movie 1 because now they have the problem of getting rid of him cuz Jack clearly is no longer a risky character to be in a movie on his own with a lead female.

sadly they felt they had to with movie 1 it seems..

How many movies have 2 lead heroic males?

hardly any..I cant think of one except PotC

They have now made Jack a lead a hero aswell in DMC..so Will/Jack now clash..one needs to be removed if movie 4 is on the cards..

they have made Jack face the supreme ordeal already so now the main focus will be on Will's big departure/supreme ordeal ..and its not reconcilation with Elizabeth IMO. Its reconcilation with the father and the gods. everything points to it.

Jack hasnt had reconciliation with the father and the gods yet..so we will see it in AWE..if the character misses that reconciliation during the "reward" stage and they instead reconcile with female in ..the gods/father come crashing into their lives later on at like step 10/11 I think

Jack's gotta square up to his dad in movie 3 and and Davy/Tia (gods)

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Yeah rumors are that Swann and Norri are gonna die. I dont want no one to die. Its just too sad...I get very emotional lol. But Im not sure how Wills suppose death is gonna be. Supposedly hes gonna be granted immortality. Then technicaly he wont be dead, just a god or a spirit watching over the 7 seas instead of teorrizing like davey did.

I don't know, I rather like Will. They'll resolve his story in a seemingly satisfying manner. And would the triangle or pyramid if you include Norrington be as remotely interesting without Will?

I think we're in for some surprises with Will's character in AWE.

remember sailor rumors are just rumors not facts. I dont believe in rumors. The only confirmation we will have is from the movie. By the way I posted the siggy 🙂

Originally posted by sailorleo
no they're not...lallalalalla *puts fingers in ears*

Ha! Sorry....I mean....Norrington is going to find his very own Pirate wench to carry off over his shoulder.

Or if you're upset about Governor Swann....Governor Swann is going to find his own....uh.....spinster widow to throw over his shoulder....

Feel better?