Spider-Man, Venom, and Carnage vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Accel
This is easily going nowhere. I’m not going to continue arguing the same asinine subjects with you over and over again.

Instead, I’ll just list off the reasons that the other fight wasn’t PIS once again so you can actually counter them specifically this time…
- Namor only knocked out Hulk underwater. Every time he tried on land, he failed.
- Namor was [b]dehydrated. In case you haven’t grasped what that means, it means his strength was nowhere near his strength levels underwater.
- Iron Man only knocked Hulk out once with a cheap lucky shot that used all his power source.
- Every other time IM, he lost miserably, which would mean his one victory goes against consistency. I would imagine that would nominate that one event for PIS.
- Neither Hercules nor Wonder Man nor Namor (on land) nor Iron Man (with that one exception) have ever come close to knocking out the standard Savage Hulk they typically fight.
- This Hulk was far stronger than the one they typically fought against.

Now, just once, come up with a logical argument, to say how it was PIS, despite all those reasons. If you just repeat the same things and nothing to actually counter the things listed above, then I guess you really don’t have any better, reasoning to your logic.
In other words, if you can’t bring any thing besides Namor and Iron Man knocked him out (which I countered), then stop making BS claims.

Also, I’ll tell ya that in the recent IH v3 #99, Hulk resists spores that take over their victims within seconds. Apparently, they couldn’t do the same against Hulk (and they entered in through his head). Same kind of attack. Now I’ve proven this method ineffective.

Ground slam replaces thunderclap and wins it here. [/B]

You ignore all my arguments and whenever i counter something you pretend you do not hear that, but it doesn't mean that i do not bring logical arguments. Only that you don't want them to be so.

You want it to be a list, no problems.

- Ironman is not a match for Hulk in strength nor in durability.
But he is capable of holding his own against Hulk and even pull a win.
- That punch wasn't cheap and it wasn't luck. They were fighting and Hulk's condition was a result of their fight.
- Namor defeated Hulk underwater.
- Underwater Namor is at his peak form, just like he is always on this vs forum.
- Both Hercules and Wonderman have strength greater than Ironman.
- Hulk can beat anyone from the team in 1 on 1 fight.
- All the guys i mentioned above are capable of holding their own against Hulk 1 on 1 and some of them even won fights against him on some ocasions.
- If one SOMETIMES is capable of that, then as the team, they all should win the fight without much efforts.
Now, i'm tired of this BS, if that^^ you don't concider logical and you do not think that all i mentioned above counters you argument then it is you who doesn't have any logical argument.

Those "spores" were not life creatures that make mutually benefitial symbiotic bonding and controle will, mind and body of the host, so your point is useless.

Ground slam is not capable of making enough noise to hurt symbiotes that developed high resistance to sonic attacks and in case of Carnage even sonic blaster designed by Reed Richards himself was useless.

You want new arguments from me, ok. You don't like bonding with the symbiotes, here's another. They could simply suffocate Hulk, through his ears, nose mouth and even eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong but Hulk still needs to breathe. And dozens tendrils that move faster than bullets fly are gonna do the job.

As i said before i'm tired of this BS, so if you have nothing to say except whining again, that my arguments make no sense only because you do not like them and only because they prove you wrong, then don't respond at all.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You ignore all my arguments and whenever i counter something you pretend you do not hear that, but it doesn't mean that i do not bring logical arguments. Only that you don't want them to be so.

You want it to be a list, no problems.

- Ironman is not a match for Hulk in strength nor in durability.
But he is capable of holding his own against Hulk and even pull a win.
- That punch wasn't cheap and it wasn't luck. They were fighting and Hulk's condition was a result of their fight.
- Namor defeated Hulk underwater.
- Underwater Namor is at his peak form, just like he is always on this vs forum.
- Both Hercules and Wonderman have strength greater than Ironman.
- Hulk can beat anyone from the team in 1 on 1 fight.
[B]- All the guys i mentioned above are capable of holding their own against Hulk 1 on 1 and some of them even won fights against him on some ocasions.
- If one SOMETIMES is capable of that, then as the team, they all should win the fight without much efforts.
Now, i'm tired of this BS, if that^^ you don't concider logical and you do not think that all i mentioned above counters you argument then it is you who doesn't have any logical argument.

Those "spores" were not life creatures that make mutually benefitial symbiotic bonding and controle will, mind and body of the host, so your point is useless.

Ground slam is not capable of making enough noise to hurt symbiotes that developed high resistance to sonic attacks and in case of Carnage even sonic blaster designed by Reed Richards himself was useless.

You want new arguments from me, ok. You don't like bonding with the symbiotes, here's another. They could simply suffocate Hulk, through his ears, nose mouth and even eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong but Hulk still needs to breathe. And dozens tendrils that move faster than bullets fly are gonna do the job.

As i said before i'm tired of this BS, so if you have nothing to say except whining again, that my arguments make no sense only because you do not like them and only because they prove you wrong, then don't respond at all. [/B]

Sure suffocate the hulk with tendrils, since wenn can you suffocate someone through there ears??? 😕 .

Hulk wins, seen planet hulk some creature also tried to take control of the hulk, guess what didn't work and the thing was 10 time's bigger than carnage, venom and spiderman combined.

And it's the question he really needs to brearth, I mean he can survive in space, no air in space what so ever.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You ignore all my arguments and whenever i counter something you pretend you do not hear that, but it doesn't mean that i do not bring logical arguments. Only that you don't want them to be so.

More BS. Moving on…

Originally posted by Sam Z
You want it to be a list, no problems.

- Ironman is not a match for Hulk in strength nor in durability.
But he is capable of holding his own against Hulk and even pull a win.
- That punch wasn't cheap and it wasn't luck. They were fighting and Hulk's condition was a result of their fight.
- Namor defeated Hulk underwater.
- Underwater Namor is at his peak form, just like he is always on this vs forum.
- Both Hercules and Wonderman have strength greater than Ironman.
- Hulk can beat anyone from the team in 1 on 1 fight.
[B]- All the guys i mentioned above are capable of holding their own against Hulk 1 on 1 and some of them even won fights against him on some ocasions.
- If one SOMETIMES is capable of that, then as the team, they all should win the fight without much efforts.
Now, i'm tired of this BS, if that^^ you don't concider logical and you do not think that all i mentioned above counters you argument then it is you who doesn't have any logical argument.[/B]

You’re more than welcome to go here and discuss your views about it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t429057.html

Originally posted by Sam Z
- Ironman is not a match for Hulk in strength nor in durability.
But he is capable of holding his own against Hulk and even pull a win.
- That punch wasn't cheap and it wasn't luck. They were fighting and Hulk's condition was a result of their fight.

Any way, he attacked Hulk when he was dazed and blinded. He used all of his frickin power just to accomplish that knockout. Not to mention it was his only real victory out of at least 10 fights against Hulk where he was pretty much dominated. AND, he nearly died just from putting all his power into that punch.

How is that not cheap or lucky?

Originally posted by Sam Z
- Namor defeated Hulk underwater.
- Underwater Namor is at his peak form, just like he is always on this vs forum.
.

Originally posted by Sam Z
[B]- All the guys i mentioned above are capable of holding their own against Hulk 1 on 1 and some of them even won fights against him on some ocasions.
- If one SOMETIMES is capable of that, then as the team, they all should win the fight without much efforts.
[/B]

That’s it. That’s 3 knock outs out of what, 30 battles in all? That’s not enough to say all four of them can take out Hulk together.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Those "spores" were not life creatures that make mutually benefitial symbiotic bonding and controle will, mind and body of the host, so your point is useless.

Any way, you did ask me to provide a time he resisted control from something other than tp, and there it is. Guess the idea of the symbiotes taking control of him reall has gone out the window now, huh?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Ground slam is not capable of making enough noise to hurt symbiotes that developed high resistance to sonic attacks and in case of Carnage even sonic blaster designed by Reed Richards himself was useless.

It can, however, have the same effect as a thunderclap; something I’ve been saying all along, yet you can’t seem to grasp.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You want new arguments from me, ok. You don't like bonding with the symbiotes, here's another. They could simply suffocate Hulk, through his ears, nose mouth and even eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong but Hulk still needs to breathe. And dozens tendrils that move faster than bullets fly are gonna do the job.

Originally posted by Sam Z
As i said before i'm tired of this BS, so if you have nothing to say except whining again, that my arguments make no sense only because you do not like them and only because they prove you wrong, then don't respond at all.

Originally posted by Accel
*Yawn*

More BS. Moving on…

Originally posted by Accel

Hulk's condition was the result of Hulk smashing a pplane and causing it to explode on him. It shouldn't have affected him, since he's taken much worse without less affect, but it did. Tony had nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by Accel

Right, in that fight against Mindless Hulk, he wasn’t underwater, nor was he even hydrated, genius.

That’s it. That’s 3 knock outs out of what, 30 battles in all? That’s not enough to say all four of them can take out Hulk together.

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One of them can do that. That's MORE than just enough to say that all together they can do that.

Originally posted by Accel

They took over their victims and mutated them. It’s essentially the same thing.

Originally posted by Accel

Any way, you did ask me to provide a time he resisted control from something other than tp, and there it is. Guess the idea of the symbiotes taking control of him reall has gone out the window now, huh?

Originally posted by Accel

It doesn’t have to.

It can, however, have the same effect as a thunderclap; something I’ve been saying all along, yet you can’t seem to grasp.

Originally posted by Accel

Highly doubtful. He’s adapted to the vacuum of space recently. And then there’s still the immune system to worry about.

Originally posted by Accel

I’m trying to get you to stop repeating the same arguments, which seems to be a lost cause.

hey accel shut it you better leave sam alone

Originally posted by Sam Z
Then stop posting it and spare our both time.

That plane only blinded him for sometime and it wasn't a hard explosion so it wasn't luck, IM clearly koed him, drained all energy of the suit, doesn't matter. Still koed him. Stop making cheap excuses already.

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One of them can do that. That's MORE than just enough to say that all together they can do that.
Nothing incommon except "taking over", stop pretending that it is something that it really isn't.
I asked you to provide resistance to attack that is simillar to attack of the symbiotes, and you didn't. The only thing that is going out of the window is my patience.

doh Ow my bad. lol
Something that you can't grasp is that it takes sound attack more powerfull than sonic attack from Reed's sonic gun to take down Carnage, and groundslam can't prduce it.

Don't avoid the argument. Hulk can hold his breath for weeks or even months but HE NEEDS to breathe! Even underwater. And tendrils through his mouth and nose will not allow him to do that.

Lost cause?! You've been ignoring everything i said for pages and i still try to debate you and even bring new arguments because i still hope that you have common sense. Seems that i was wrong. Again, stop wasting our both time.
As long as you'll keep ignoring my arguments, making excuses and pretending that i can't counter something i'll keep replying the same things because last time you ignored them. And voting thread won't help your argument. So stop being childish and if you still can't tell me something new then DON'T RESPOND and let this thread die already.

Originally posted by Sam Z
That plane only blinded him for sometime and it wasn't a hard explosion so it wasn't luck, IM clearly koed him, drained all energy of the suit, doesn't matter. Still koed him. Stop making cheap excuses already.

Why the explosion affected Hulk in the first place, I don’t know. But it did. And it was Tony’s only saving grace. There’s no denying that.

And I still don’t see why you wouldn’t consider THAT to be PIS, considering all the many, many times Iron Man has failed to take him out in the past.

Originally posted by Sam Z
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
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One of them can do that. That's MORE than just enough to say that all together they can do that.

That’s right, both instances were underwater. Y’know, Namor’s element? Y’know, where he’s at his peak and has an advantage over just about any one?

Now look at the other fight. Notice how he’s, y’know, NOT in the water? Notice how he’s, y’know, dehydrated? Notice how each time they fight on land, Namor never comes close to taking out Hulk?

Now put two and two together and you’ll find Namor fighting Hulk in dessert isn’t the same as Namor fighting Hulk underwater. Kinda hard to pull of the whirlpool trick there, now wouldn't you think?

God forbid Hulk should be able to take a punch from a dehydrated Namor without faltering.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Nothing incommon except "taking over", stop pretending that it is something that it really isn't.
I asked you to provide resistance to attack that is simillar to attack of the symbiotes, and you didn't. The only thing that is going out of the window is my patience.

Again, didn’t work on Hulk. Again, moving on...

Originally posted by Sam Z
doh Ow my bad. lol
Something that you can't grasp is that it takes sound attack more powerfull than sonic attack from Reed's sonic gun to take down Carnage, and groundslam can't prduce it.

They can’t escape the barrage of shockwaves produced by constant poundings against the ground. And I don’t mean just one shockwave and Hulk stops and then they get back up. I mean Hulk constantly knocking their asses back with them.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Don't avoid the argument. Hulk can hold his breath for weeks or even months but HE NEEDS to breathe! Even underwater. And tendrils through his mouth and nose will not allow him to do that.

He’s adapted to an airless environment already. His body allows him to adapt to suit him for certain situations. It’s the same trait that gave him the uncanny ability to see ghosts, even, so I see no reason why it wouldn’t adapt to invaders plugging his systems.

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, it was Hulk’s own mistake that did him in there. IM had nothing on him until he made that mistake. It was luck because he took advantage of a fortunate situation caused by his enemy and gave every thing he had. At the same time, it was cheap because he put every thing in it to take out a dazed opponent.

Why the explosion affected Hulk in the first place, I don’t know. But it did. And it was Tony’s only saving grace. There’s no denying that.

And I still don’t see why you wouldn’t consider THAT to be PIS, considering all the many, many times Iron Man has failed to take him out in the past.

Originally posted by Accel

Okay, look where they are in those scans. Looks wet, don’t it? Can you guess where it was? C’mon, you can do it.

That’s right, both instances were underwater. Y’know, Namor’s element? Y’know, where he’s at his peak and has an advantage over just about any one?

Now look at the other fight. Notice how he’s, y’know, NOT in the water? Notice how he’s, y’know, dehydrated? Notice how each time they fight on land, Namor never comes close to taking out Hulk?

Now put two and two together and you’ll find Namor fighting Hulk in dessert isn’t the same as Namor fighting Hulk underwater. Kinda hard to pull of the whirlpool trick there, now wouldn't you think?

God forbid Hulk should be able to take a punch from a dehydrated Namor without faltering.

And let's add this one.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif
Hulk was hearing voice in his head but it was only making him madder, and was supposed to give him advantage.

Now you notice that i got tired of your excuses long time ago. Namor punches him underwater, Hulk flies to the ground and he is knockedout.
Clear win to me. Plus they had stalemates even on the ground. Now stop making excuses and try to accept the fact that both Namor and IM can give him a fight on the ground 1 on 1 and even pull a win sometimes and I PROVED it already and your whining wont help it.
1 Can do that. Add Hercules, Wonderman etc and it wont be a problem.

Originally posted by Accel

It’s spikes that take over their victims in seconds. Same as you’re saying the symbiotes will do. And it’s apparently some kind of control as they obviously take over their victims. And oh lookie, it wasn't tp! Golly!

Originally posted by Accel

Notice how I never mention the sound argument when bringing up the groundslam? It will produce shockwaves of massive concussive force, similar to how a thunderclap would. It will cause the ground around them to shake and throw them off balance.

Originally posted by Accel

They can’t escape the barrage of shockwaves produced by constant poundings against the ground. And I don’t mean just one shockwave and Hulk stops and then they get back up. I mean Hulk constantly knocking their asses back with them.

Originally posted by Accel

He wasn’t holding his breath in the vacuum of space recently. At all. Which is why I said highly doubtful.

He’s adapted to an airless environment already. His body allows him to adapt to suit him for certain situations. It’s the same trait that gave him the uncanny ability to see ghosts, even, so I see no reason why it wouldn’t adapt to invaders plugging his systems.

So you now saying that Hulk doesn't need to breathe at all? Sorry but sounds like a bs to me. And Staying without O2 for sometime is one thing. But staying alive and councios while there are dozens of tendrills crawling inside your throat, stomach, nose and ripping your eyes and inside organs is completly another thing.

Originally posted by Accel

Again, didn’t work on Hulk. Again, moving on...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Using advantage in the fight is not "cheap". Iroman was the one who threw tha car at him and caused the exposion, and it only blinded Hulk. I don't need to tell you that Hulk has healing factor better than Wolverine's, so there is no point to say that he was hurting from the exposion, and it was IM's punch alone that took him down.

Originally posted by Sam Z
First you say it took all his energy, now when you realise that it is not an excuse for Hulk to lose, you're trying to change your argument into PIS. As i said before, stop making excuses, it sounds just like when Wolverine fans try to make excuse everytime Logan gets koed.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And let's add this one.
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Hulk was hearing voice in his head but it was only making him madder, and was supposed to give him advantage.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Now you notice that i got tired of your excuses long time ago. Namor punches him underwater, Hulk flies to the ground and he is knockedout.
Clear win to me. Plus they had stalemates even on the ground. Now stop making excuses and try to accept the fact that both Namor and IM can give him a fight on the ground 1 on 1 and even pull a win sometimes and I PROVED it already and your whining wont help it.

Originally posted by Sam Z
1 Can do that. Add Hercules, Wonderman etc and it wont be a problem.

And Hulk’s shown he’s more than durable enough to take their punches and keep going strong.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You know i got feeling that i'm talking to a 10 years old kid now. 😕 I already asked you not to pervert facts to make it sound in your favour. Any virus can take over your system but it doesn't mean it controles your body, will and mind. And your example has nothing incommon with symbiotic bonding. So I asked you to give me example of Hulk resisting simillar attack and you failed.

1. The spikes infected their victims.
2. Whoever they infected, they took over within seconds.
3. They’re controlling their host, but it’s not tp.
4. Points 1 and 2 are what you say the symbiotes will do to Hulk
5. It didn’t work on Hulk.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Notice that when Hulk thunderclaps it's loud sound that took Venom down, not shockwave. And shockwave wont do a sh!t to someone who can take multiple punches from Juggernaut and the next second to stay back on his feet. Fact #1. It takes sound attack to take symbiotes down. Fact#2. Groundslam is not capable of making enough noise to even hurt symbiotes a little. And groundslam won't do a sh!t.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So you now saying that Hulk doesn't need to breathe at all? Sorry but sounds like a bs to me.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And Staying without O2 for sometime is one thing. But staying alive and councios while there are dozens of tendrills crawling inside your throat, stomach, nose and ripping your eyes and inside organs is completly another thing.

Iff you take a look in planet hulk a spikey creature that's trying to take control of the hulk, can't control him even iff he's inside of him.
Hulk still got the upper hand, he adapts, or heals.

Now the spike's are a world wide danger, venom and carnage are not.

Pff these two will only make him angry. 🙄 .

It's very impressive to talk under water while holding you breath iff you ask me.

Dude he adapts, means he doesn't need to breath underwater or in space.

Hulk wins.

Originally posted by Accel
Which is why it didn’t make sense that it stunned him, but it DID. IM only took advantage of that.

Your opinion on my debating skills aside, why don’t you consider it PIS? Considering that they’ve fought tons of times and Tony’s never come close to taking him out, especially solo, you’d think this would be inconsistent, no?

Originally posted by Accel

He was resisting mind-control. That was a disadvantage for him if any thing.

Originally posted by Accel

I accept they can give him a fight just fine. Apparently he can give all four powerhouses a fight as well, as was shown.

Obviously it was. Just because you can hold your own against someone doesn’t always mean with some friends you can take that person down.

Originally posted by Accel

And Hulk’s shown he’s more than durable enough to take their punches and keep going strong.

Originally posted by Accel

Perverting what?

Originally posted by Accel

1. The spikes infected their victims.

Originally posted by Accel

2. Whoever they infected, they took over within seconds.
3. They’re controlling their host, but it’s not tp.

Originally posted by Accel

4. Points 1 and 2 are what you say the symbiotes will do to Hulk

Originally posted by Accel

5. It didn’t work on Hulk.

Originally posted by Accel

It’ll keep knocking them back. They can come back and the process will just be repeated.

Originally posted by Accel

No, I’m saying it’s doubtful.

Already happened with the spikes crawling around in his head. Obviously it was as uncomfortable as hell for him, but it didn’t come close to taking him down. And this is a Hulk who’s currently weakened and with an almost non-existent healing factor.

Never happened anything simillar because (once again) those spikes that sound more like virus to me have nothing to do with symbiote's mind, will and body controle that is symbiotic and suffocation. By the way, how about both at the same time? Venom suffocates him and Carnage tries to take him over. I doubt Hulk can resist one of those attack, two combined increase their chances.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Iff you take a look in planet hulk a spikey creature that's trying to take control of the hulk, can't control him even iff he's inside of him.
Hulk still got the upper hand, he adapts, or heals.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Now the spike's are a world wide danger, venom and carnage are not.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Pff these two will only make him angry. 🙄 .

Originally posted by Brutacus

It's very impressive to talk under water while holding you breath iff you ask me.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Dude he adapts, means he doesn't need to breath underwater or in space.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Hulk wins.

Dude Hulk doesn't hold his breath under water, he adapts, Fury mentioned it, Hulk will adapt to any hostile situation.

And those spike's control people by entering there body, doesn't a symbiot do the same thing???

They will take over that world iff nothing can stop them, hmm enough super hero's on earth can stop venom or carnage.

Sure hulk is just going to stand there, and let the symbiots control him sure 🙄.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Dude Hulk doesn't hold his breath under water, he adapts, Fury mentioned it, Hulk will adapt to any hostile situation.

Originally posted by Brutacus

And those spike's control people by entering there body, doesn't a symbiot do the same thing???

Originally posted by Brutacus

They will take over that world iff nothing can stop them, hmm enough super hero's on earth can stop venom or carnage.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Sure hulk is just going to stand there, and let the symbiots control him sure 🙄.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It blinded him for few seconds and there is nothig wrong with that. Iroman simply used it in his favor and it was not cheap. His armor can take a nuke, and has a great power, it allows ordinary human to lift over 100 tons so i don't see any reason why punch that drains all it energy can't knockout Hulk.

The thing is, in his classic armor, he’s not nearly as tough or strong as the likes of Thor, Drax, the Crypto-Man, Juggernaut, or the many others that fought Savage Hulk and couldn’t take him out.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It was making him madder, that was an advantage since the madder he gets... you know the rest.

Originally posted by Sam Z
If you can hold your own against somebody and even win sometimes and if each your friend is capable of the same(i mean holding against him and even sometimes win), then yes it DOES mean that all together you would take him down.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I never said he wasn't durable enough. But everything including common sense say that they can take him down.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Everything.
Symbiotes do not infect victims, they are not virus.
Symbiotes take victims over and controle it's mind, will and body with multually benefitial simbiotic bonding. Prove that spikes do the same and you have a point.

If they can take over without his permission, then it is essentially the same as the spikes, which took over their victims by going inside their victims and just taking over. There’s nothing to indicate it’s just a virus.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Nope, they aren't. He never tried to resist anything simillar. So again, pretending that those spikes have powers simillar to the symiotes' is pointless.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And that 1) wont do a thing to them and 2) wont work because Hulk isn't fast enough to do that before tendrils reach him and i proved that already.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Never happened anything simillar because (once again) those spikes that sound more like virus to me have nothing to do with symbiote's mind, will and body controle that is symbiotic and suffocation. By the way, how about both at the same time? Venom suffocates him and Carnage tries to take him over. I doubt Hulk can resist one of those attack, two combined increase their chances.

hey sam that was real long

euh you said you can talk under water????
To really TALK not trying to talk, like humans try to wenn they are in a pool, you need air.

Iff hulk would talk he would let all his air out, so it's clear he can breath underwater he ADAPTED.

I mean he can breath in space not in water that's kind of strange 😕 .

Euh dude you know how many people have tried to control the hulk?

Wether it's with tp, or with tech.

People on apoc's level can't seem to control him, he allway's breaks free why won't it happen this time?

I mean you give proof of venom taking control of a NORMAL human, every telepath or tech user could do that.

I brought the world thread up because these things take control of humans much faster than venom or carnage seems to do.
And every body on that panet seems to fear them since they are the last resort they took to take out Hulk, iff venom or carnage where that strong why didn't they just let them control the hulk instead of shooting him in to outer space.

Last euh hulk allready reacted on people like quicksilver he reacted on speeding jet's, he's not the blob (who is pretty fast himself
😉 ) 🙄

Originally posted by Accel
It literally stunned him, putting him a brief daze.

The thing is, in his classic armor, he’s not nearly as tough or strong as the likes of Thor, Drax, the Crypto-Man, Juggernaut, or the many others that fought Savage Hulk and couldn’t take him out.

Originally posted by Accel

He was fighting the mind-control that was forcing him to fight. Getting angry doesn’t do him a damn bit of good if he’s trying not to fight him.

Originally posted by Accel

If those victories are due to overwhelming advantages (ie Namor being underwater) then it doesn’t help much if that advantage is lost later.

Originally posted by Accel

What, by punching him? Blasting him? Grappling with him? Obviously, none of that was enough.

Originally posted by Accel

Wouldn’t this mean that Hulk would have to let them take him over? Good luck with that.

If they can take over without his permission, then it is essentially the same as the spikes, which took over their victims by going inside their victims and just taking over. There’s nothing to indicate it’s just a virus.

Originally posted by Accel

There's very few differences. They are very similar.

Originally posted by Accel

1. It doesn’t have to damage them right away, just send them flying into the next block.
2. Tendrils won’t do any thing, as I have explained. You may not agree with it, but frankly the spikes incident is more evidence that he can resist the symbiotes than there is they’d take him over.

Originally posted by Accel

Might work, might no. Like I said, control is highly unlikely, so his only real concern would be the suffocation and even that’s not a guarantee.

Originally posted by Brutacus
euh you said you can talk under water????
To really TALK not trying to talk, like humans try to wenn they are in a pool, you need air.

Iff hulk would talk he would let all his air out, so it's clear he can breath underwater he ADAPTED.

I mean he can breath in space not in water that's kind of strange 😕 .

Originally posted by Brutacus

Euh dude you know how many people have tried to control the hulk?

Wether it's with tp, or with tech.

People on apoc's level can't seem to control him, he allway's breaks free why won't it happen this time?

I mean you give proof of venom taking control of a NORMAL human, every telepath or tech user could do that.

I brought the world thread up because these things take control of humans much faster than venom or carnage seems to do. And every body on that panet seems to fear them since they are the last resort they took to take out Hulk, iff venom or carnage where that strong why didn't they just let them control the hulk instead of shooting him in to outer space.

[/B][/QUOTE] You clearly haven't read planets of the symbiotes, if you had you'd know that symbiotes are world threat. And in vs fight this argument is pointless anyway.

Last euh hulk allready reacted on people like quicksilver he reacted on speeding jet's, he's not the blob (who is pretty fast himself
😉 ) 🙄 [/B][/QUOTE] 😂 You're right here, he's faster than Blob. But still not fast enough to dodge over 20 tendrils that move faster than bullets.
Sound attacks can hurt symbiotes but thunderclap is not allowed.
By the way in the planet of the symbiotes it was stated that symbiotes can't die unless they commit suicide. Something to think about...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Dude, I CAN talk underwater, you can talk underwater but it doesn't mean i don't need to breathe at all. Hulk might learnt to survive for along time even without O2 but he STILL NEEDS to breathe.

I actually gave proofs of symbiote taking over the Silver surfer himself and if you missed it is only your problem. And just in case Silversurfer > Hulk.

I brought the world thread up because these things take control of humans much faster than venom or carnage seems to do. And every body on that panet seems to fear them since they are the last resort they took to take out Hulk, iff venom or carnage where that strong why didn't they just let them control the hulk instead of shooting him in to outer space.

Last euh hulk allready reacted on people like quicksilver he reacted on speeding jet's, he's not the blob (who is pretty fast himself
😉 ) 🙄 [/B][/QUOTE] 😂 You're right here, he's faster than Blob. But still not fast enough to dodge over 20 tendrils that move faster than bullets.
Sound attacks can hurt symbiotes but thunderclap is not allowed.
By the way in the planet of the symbiotes it was stated that symbiotes can't die unless they commit suicide. Something to think about... [/B][/QUOTE]

Euh I give you credit you bring good arguments, still he can survive in space, he adapts (sorry to bring this up all the time lol).
silver surfer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hulk in a fight.
But the surfer has only one personality, hulk got a lot inside of him who want to take control.