this is surely possible. I think some of you really underestimate how powerful Anakin really was. There was hardly anyone in ROTS that could touch him power wise. Now of course Yoda and Mace have honed their skills for longer periods of time, but at that time, Anakin was the most powerful. Do you really think had GL started from ep1 and went forward, that things would have gone the same? If Anakin didn't have to get his Vader suit, do you think it would have played out the same? I've often wondered that. But anyway, Anakin is definitely good enough to hold off Mace til Sidious rapes OB1. Then it's lights out for Mace. Either way you set this up, I see the Sith winning.
EDIT: 😆 I haven't heard curbstomp in a while...it struck me funny. 😂
you seem to forget mace has vaapad and shatterpoint. If mace could beat sidious he surely can beat anakin and then mace and obi wan will defeat sidious.
And if you talk about aggresively attacking mace windu, then you would be a fool, Sidious was really really good lightsaber duelist but lost due to mace shatterpoint or the suprised kick to his face, I dont see anakin beating mace at all when he goes apeshit trying to beat his opponent into a submission or when mace has far more experience than anakin
well, if you read my post, you would notice that i didn't say that Anakin would beat him, i said hold him off long enough for Sidious to kill OB1 and join the fight. And Mace isn't as good in ROTS as he was during the CW. And again, i think alot of people underestimate Anakin and his abilities. Just because Mace used Vapaad doesn't make him invincible, i say there is a chance that Anakin could beat him, i just didn't say that in my last post.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
It depends. Mace Windu would want to go take on Sidious because he knows he can outclass Skywalker. Or Obi-Wan might rush over to Sidious becuz he doesn't want to fight Ani, but then Kenobi is smarter than that.
I wouldn't say the Kenobi was smarter than that, he tried to get Yoda to allow him to take on Sidious, and Yoda to take on Anakin, so Obi would probably go after Sidious so that he won't have to fight his former apprentice.
I would say that Sidious owns Kenobi with Kenobi's own stupidity while Anakin holds his ground with Mace then Sidious and Anakin destroy Mace. Sith win.
Originally posted by Kadesh
you seem to forget mace has vaapad and shatterpoint. If mace could beat sidious he surely can beat anakin and then mace and obi wan will defeat sidious.And if you talk about aggresively attacking mace windu, then you would be a fool, Sidious was really really good lightsaber duelist but lost due to mace shatterpoint or the suprised kick to his face, I dont see anakin beating mace at all when he goes apeshit trying to beat his opponent into a submission or when mace has far more experience than anakin
No. I know the skills of Vaapad and Shatterpoint very well.
However, it is a fact that Sidious and Mace are equals in saber combat, and only Shatterpoint gave him the edge.
Unfortunately, Kenobi won't last ten seconds against Sidious. Anakin, unfortunately, is on the same level as Sidious, Yoda, and Mace in lightsaber combat, and could hold Mace off.
Then, Sidious comes over, and Mace is WTFpwned.
Originally posted by Escape81
No. I know the skills of Vaapad and Shatterpoint very well.However, it is a fact that Sidious and Mace are equals in saber combat, and only Shatterpoint gave him the edge.
Unfortunately, Kenobi won't last ten seconds against Sidious. Anakin, unfortunately, is on the same level as Sidious, Yoda, and Mace in lightsaber combat, and could hold Mace off.
Then, Sidious comes over, and Mace is WTFpwned.
Matters:
Is Obi/Mace smart enough to piss off Anakin?
Simply pissing Anakin off doesn't exactly guarentee a victory. Take a look at Dooku, lol. He pissed Anakin off, and got beheaded for his efforts.
In my eyes, Anakin and Vader are different, as are Dooku and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan has a strong connection with Anakin/Vader. And, remember, Vader thought Obi-Wan turned Padme against him.
And, given that Obi-Wan had no issue attacking Count Dooku with Anakin at his side, I see no reason why he wouldn't try the same thing with Sidious - especially if it means that he wouldn't have to fight Anakin.
Then, he dies, about ten seconds later.
Then, Sidious runs over and destroys Mace with assistance from Anakin.
Originally posted by Escape81How sure are you it wont be mace vs sidious while anakin vs obi wan? That way they win, but if its Mace vs anakin and sid vs obi, thenMace team wins. Mace windu has the Edge over anakin for this,
No. I know the skills of Vaapad and Shatterpoint very well.However, it is a fact that Sidious and Mace are equals in saber combat, and only Shatterpoint gave him the edge.
Unfortunately, Kenobi won't last ten seconds against Sidious. Anakin, unfortunately, is on the same level as Sidious, Yoda, and Mace in lightsaber combat, and could hold Mace off.
Then, Sidious comes over, and Mace is WTFpwned.
Sidious wins IF tha match starts differently like mace vs sid and anakin vs obi which of cource obi wan gets killed as you said while mace and sidious continue, and Anakin helps Sid to overpower and pwn macewindu.
But if its mace vs anakin and obi vs sidious, obi wan getskilled again, And mace would kill anakin due to shatterpoint and i doubt anakin ever knew of mace suprise attacks, Then its mace windu vs Sidious and the match will end up like the one in ROTS
Thats complete arrogance to just assume that Mace will just run through Anakin at all let alone as fast as Sidiuos would run through OB1. There's not that big of a difference between Mace and Anakin skill wise. Anakin still has his youth on his side and more physical power. Vapaad is a strong form, but I'm sure it has its weaknesses. No way that even if mace does beat Anakin it would be as fast as Sidious kills OB1, so Sidious still is able to run over and help, provided Anakin even needs the help.
Yes, it is well within Anakin's power to hold off Mace for a long long time. Mace would win more times then not in a 1 vs. 1 fight, but Anakin and Mace are prolly 50/50 in terms of saber combat. Vaapad and Shatterpoint give Mace a slight edge against Anakin, but not enough to beat him in any short amount of time. Anakin is just far too skilled and naturally powerful. Dooku is a prime example of that.
Originally posted by Kadesh
How sure are you it wont be mace vs sidious while anakin vs obi wan? That way they win, but if its Mace vs anakin and sid vs obi, thenMace team wins. Mace windu has the Edge over anakin for this,
I could offer the same question to you. How are you sure that it isn't going to be Obi-Wan vs. Sidious and Mace vs. Anakin? Unless the thread creator specifies who fights whom, it is simple speculation on the debators' parts.
Sidious wins IF tha match starts differently like mace vs sid and anakin vs obi which of cource obi wan gets killed as you said while mace and sidious continue, and Anakin helps Sid to overpower and pwn macewindu.
This is true. In a pure lightsaber confrontation, Anakin would be easily capable of holding off Mace for the time being. Obi-Wan won't last any significant length of time against Sidious - and then he will be able to help Anakin obliterate Mace.
But if its mace vs anakin and obi vs sidious, obi wan getskilled again, And mace would kill anakin due to shatterpoint and i doubt anakin ever knew of mace suprise attacks, Then its mace windu vs Sidious and the match will end up like the one in ROTS [/B]
I respect and have argued for Mace's abilities many times.
Unfortunately, what you just said made absolute no sense. All right, if Anakin kills Obi-Wan, you said that Mace will kill Anakin. Really? How will he do that when Sidious is all over him? Vaapad and Shatterpoint are both highly useful and highly handy - but not somuch that Mace can take on Anakin and Sidious (at the same time - especially) and expect to win.
No. If Anakin kills Obi-Wan, then Mace gets destroyed by Anakin and Sidious, quite comfortably.
And, of course, you are factoring in merely a lightsaber battle. Mace and Sidious are confirmed "equals" in lightsaber combat as of RotS. In fact, if you watch the fight closely, Sidious dominated a considerable part of the fight - forcing the normally offensive Mace to go on the defensive. However, Mace's skills with Vaapad's ability to circumvent dark side energy, as well as being highly accomplished in Shatterpoint allowed him to disarm Palpatine.
This is but one instance. You forget to factor in that Sidious is also more powerful than Mace in the Force. That could help cancel out Vaapad and Shatterpoint. Especially when Sidious is an expert at manipulating the environment to whatever advantage that he can.
I concur that Anakin and Sidious would win. If you remember, Obi-Wan tried to convince Yoda to let him confront Sidious because he doesn't have the heart to face his former apprentice. In this scenario, I doubt Obi-Wan would go for Anakin because he wouldn't like to face against him.
Mace Windu would like to fight Sidious, but then he can easily have the desire to fight Anakin because Anakin's arrogance seems to get on Mace's nerves and Windu would gladly prove Anakin that he is not the best.
Of course, if this scenario happened, Obi-Wan dies and Mace gets butchered.
Originally posted by Escape81Hmm good one, some good arguements too. But you assume that it is mace vs sidious and obi vs anakin.
I could offer the same question to you. How are you sure that it isn't going to be Obi-Wan vs. Sidious and Mace vs. Anakin? Unless the thread creator specifies who fights whom, it is simple speculation on the debators' parts.
Originally posted by Escape81Not that i know off, i do not believe that anakin would expect mace windus shatterpoint. Mace would kill anakin, i dont know how true it is when i read this on wookie and wiki, Against another dark side user, vaapad reflects ones own hate and anger against him, The same could happen to anakin. However, Obi wan is the weak link here, either one would kill him and then mace would get squashed
This is true. In a pure lightsaber confrontation, Anakin would be easily capable of holding off Mace for the time being. Obi-Wan won't last any significant length of time against Sidious - and then he will be able to help Anakin obliterate Mace.
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Originally posted by Escape81No, what i was saying is IF anakin gets killed before sidious slaysobi wan, 2 on 1 on mace would beat him
Unfortunately, what you just said made absolute no sense. All right, if Anakin kills Obi-Wan, you said that Mace will kill Anakin. Really? How will he do that when Sidious is all over him? Vaapad and Shatterpoint are both highly useful and highly handy - but not somuch that Mace can take on Anakin and Sidious (at the same time - especially) and expect to win.[/B]
Originally posted by Escape81Thats because you are assuming anakins opponent is obi wan while sidious opponent is mace, Of cource mace gets killed.No. If Anakin kills Obi-Wan, then Mace gets destroyed by Anakin and Sidious, quite comfortably.
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Originally posted by Escape81Agreed, but palpatine didnt exactly dominate mace, mace parried the attacks, so is it safe to say that dooku got dominated by anakin and obi wan? i dont think so, well maybe
And, of course, you are factoring in merely a lightsaber battle. Mace and Sidious are confirmed "equals" in lightsaber combat as of RotS. In fact, if you watch the fight closely, Sidious dominated a considerable part of the fight - forcing the normally offensive Mace to go on the defensive. However, Mace's skills with Vaapad's ability to circumvent dark side energy, as well as being highly accomplished in Shatterpoint allowed him to disarm Palpatine.
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Originally posted by Escape81Well this is a lightsaber match, not a force fight. The only killing power that i know mace has is force crush, which he demonstrated on grievious.
This is but one instance. You forget to factor in that Sidious is also more powerful than Mace in the Force. That could help cancel out Vaapad and Shatterpoint. Especially when Sidious is an expert at manipulating the environment to whatever advantage that he can. [/B]
Great arguements escape 🙂
Re: Rots Obi and Mace vs. Rots Anakin and Siddious
Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
I searched and didnt find anything
Setting😖iddious's little room there as shown in mace siddious duel
i hope this thread isnt much of a failure
force,sabers,pretty much anything goes
Well here it looks like the thread starter said anything goes.
and also you're missing the point. For one, you're assuming it would be Mace vs Anakin, just as we are assuming otherwise. Secondly, the point we're getting at is even though we believe that Anakin has a good shot against Mace, that even if he does lose, he will last alot longer than OB1 will last against Sidious. THATS our point, or at least the main point I'm trying to convey. OB1 goes down hard and fast against Sidious, while Anakin holds off Mace. I really don't see Mace pwning Anakin at all. Mace was beaten by Dooku and well you saw what Anakin did to him...