Originally posted by masterbruceIt's like flash's getting hit by crap stuff, the comic must look good to sell.
Is that true? I always assumed his spidersense only warned him of impending danger and nothing more, which is why he could be hit by his foes.If his spidersense is as omnipotent as you make it seem, then he should NEVER get hit, EVER, at least by his normal cast of villains.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Is that true? I always assumed his spidersense only warned him of impending danger and nothing more, which is why he could be hit by his foes.If his spidersense is as omnipotent as you make it seem, then he should NEVER get hit, EVER, at least by his normal cast of villains.
Would you, or anyone you know go out and regularly buy comics in which the main character was completely untouchable?
I'd get bored.
😬.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-mans speed advantage is negateable as Wolverine's combat speed is compare and as far combat skill goes Wolverine is the superior by four orders of magnitude on a logarithmic scale. Wolverine is just a much better combatant.In melee combat Spider-man can't a) parry and b)block, his only option is to dodge everything coming at him. He can't win a a fight be dodging and he can't engage Wolverine in melee with out being ripped to shreds. He would need to trade a hit with Wolverine to land one of his own and whos do you think will do more damage? There is also the fact that Wolverine has the reach advantage while still being a much smaller target with a lower center of gravity.
Umm, Spiderman is
a) Stronger
b) Faster
c) More agile
d) He has spidersense
He can punch Wolverine so hard he will only land next Tuesday (remember, Spiderman is ALWAYS holding back). Wolverine is NOT a better combatant, the only thing keeping him alive is his healing factor. He gets stabbed, shot and punched the whole time - Deadpool made him look ridiculous. Spiderman has to rely on his speed, agility and strength, to survive WITHOUT getting shot, stabbed or punched - and he has been doing this for years. So - who do YOU think is a better fighter?
Spiderman has made Wolverine look like a fool before as well, plenty of times. Webbing him up with his claws pointing to his brains, so if he extends them he gives himself a lobotomy was quite a funny one, actually.
But never mind that - let's talk about Spidey being unable to dodge Frank's bullets. Why has he suddenly lost the power to dodge bullets, when he's been doing it for years? He's dodged bullets in mid-air, he's even dodge guys spraying him with machine guns - and yet every time he comes through unscathed?
Coincidence? Sure, if coincidence means having the ability to do it over, and over, and over, and over again...
Look, I like Frank. And I like Logan too. But Frank is a man with a gun. Nothing more. A great shot, sure - but so what? Spidey has been doging bullets since he got his powers, please demonstrate to me why he has suddenly lost the ability to do so now?
As for Wolverine, he's not even in this fight. Spiderman can ignore him until he feels like dealing with him, which he can do any time he feels like it. And why can he not block or parry?
As I've stated before, he is:
a) Stronger
b) Faster
c) More agile
d) He has spidersense
He can simply grab his wists and use his own claws to stab Wolverine through anything he feels like stabbing him. Spidey will make Wolverine look like a hairy child.
As for stating: "Go back and read my posts again before I get frustrated and say mean things about questioning you intelligence."
May I suggest the same to you? Spend some time on the Spiderman respect thread, and learn what he is actually capable of.
Originally posted by Soljer
Would you, or anyone you know go out and regularly buy comics in which the main character was completely untouchable?I'd get bored.
😬.
No, I wouldn't, which is exactly why I would think writers wouldn't want his spidersense to be so powerful. I mean, why would they make it so that his spidersense is omnipotent and then don't show him using it as it should be used? Wouldnt it make more sense to just tone down his spidersense so writers won't be accused of PIS all the time?
Originally posted by masterbruce
No, I wouldn't, which is exactly why I would think writers wouldn't want his spidersense to be so powerful. I mean, why would they make it so that his spidersense is omnipotent and then don't show him using it as it should be used? Wouldnt it make more sense to just tone down his spidersense so writers won't be accused of PIS all the time?
Meh, fact is, by best showings, Spiderman's spider sense can detect the slightest danger, pinpoint it, and INSTANTLY cause Spiderman's (incredibly fast) body to take him out of the way. It's an instinct.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Umm, Spiderman isa) Stronger
b) Faster
c) More agile
d) He has spidersenseHe can punch Wolverine so hard he will only land next Tuesday (remember, Spiderman is ALWAYS holding back). Wolverine is NOT a better combatant, the only thing keeping him alive is his healing factor. He gets stabbed, shot and punched the whole time - Deadpool made him look ridiculous. Spiderman has to rely on his speed, agility and strength, to survive WITHOUT getting shot, stabbed or punched - and he has been doing this for years. So - who do YOU think is a better fighter?
Spiderman has made Wolverine look like a fool before as well, plenty of times. Webbing him up with his claws pointing to his brains, so if he extends them he gives himself a lobotomy was quite a funny one, actually.
But never mind that - let's talk about Spidey being unable to dodge Frank's bullets. Why has he suddenly lost the power to dodge bullets, when he's been doing it for years? He's dodged bullets in mid-air, he's even dodge guys spraying him with machine guns - and yet every time he comes through unscathed?
Coincidence? Sure, if coincidence means having the ability to do it over, and over, and over, and over again...
Look, I like Frank. And I like Logan too. But Frank is a man with a gun. Nothing more. A great shot, sure - but so what? Spidey has been doging bullets since he got his powers, please demonstrate to me why he has suddenly lost the ability to do so now?
As for Wolverine, he's not even in this fight. Spiderman can ignore him until he feels like dealing with him, which he can do any time he feels like it. And why can he not block or parry?
As I've stated before, he is:
a) Stronger
b) Faster
c) More agile
d) He has spidersenseHe can simply grab his wists and use his own claws to stab Wolverine through anything he feels like stabbing him. Spidey will make Wolverine look like a hairy child.
As for stating: "Go back and read my posts again before I get frustrated and say mean things about questioning you intelligence."
May I suggest the same to you? Spend some time on the Spiderman respect thread, and learn what he is actually capable of.
Alot of people say spiderman gets hit so often in comics because of PIS, because if he actually used his powers he really should almost never be hit by anyone short of a speedster. And the main reason that he does get hit is because otherwise no one would read his comics. Well that logic goes bothways. He dodges bullets so often ALSO because of PIS, if he got killed, Marvel would lose massive profit so of course he will never die from a gunshot or anything, that is the nature of comics.
Remember, Spiderman cannot fly. Once he's in the air, he's at the mercy of gravity. He may contort his body to avoid a handgun's bullets, but a machine gun spraying bullets in the air would be impossible for spiderman to avoid while midair...its just common sense.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not assuming anything, of course Spider-man will attempt to get out of the way but it will all be for not. Do you think his webs move faster then a bullet? Even though Spider-man is faster on the trigger then Frank you are seriously selling Castle short (but that is what his forum is good at after all) if you think that Spider-man's webs will get from point A to point B with Spider-man have enough time to yank himself out of the path of the bullet(s). He can't dodge a bullet mid air. It can't be argued. He can't change his momentum and their is no way in hell he could contort his body to avoid a shot aimed at center mass.Spider-man jumps around. That is how he fights. In mid-air his speed means nothing and he is at the mercy of gravity. Frank Castle won't miss a mid-air Spider-man.
This is a pretty easy concept. I'm surprised it needs to be explained.
Is he himself faster than a bullet? You tell me.
Look where that bullet is when he finally starts to move.
Originally posted by masterbruce
1. He may be dodging bullets for years, but usually the guys wielding those guns are dumb goons, not the Punisher.2. His spidersense can only warn him that danger is close, it can't tell him what the danger is. So assume wolverine lunges at him while Punisher aims his gun, Spiderman will realize he is in danger but he will think that wolverine is the source of the spidersense and not realize until too late that Frank fired a bullet as spiderman jumped to dodge wolverine's claws.
Punisher and Wolverine: 8/10
It tells him where the danger is just fine actually.
Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, fact is, by best showings, Spiderman's spider sense can detect the slightest danger, pinpoint it, and INSTANTLY cause Spiderman's (incredibly fast) body to take him out of the way. It's an instinct.
Well if we are going by best showings, then Wolverine can survive a nuclear blast at pointblank. Spiderman's hardest punch direct on isn't even 1/1,000,000th the power of a nuclear bomb. So there isn't a thing Spiderman can do to phase wolverine. It'll be like punching an adamantium wall as hard as he can, his fist will be injured before wolverine will be.
Originally posted by masterbruce1. Spiderman has been hit by a bullet before.
Alot of people say spiderman gets hit so often in comics because of PIS, because if he actually used his powers he really should almost never be hit by anyone short of a speedster. And the main reason that he does get hit is because otherwise no one would read his comics. Well that logic goes bothways. He dodges bullets so often ALSO because of PIS, if he got killed, Marvel would lose massive profit so of course he will never die from a gunshot or anything, that is the nature of comics.Remember, Spiderman cannot fly. Once he's in the air, he's at the mercy of gravity. He may contort his body to avoid a handgun's bullets, but a machine gun spraying bullets in the air would be impossible for spiderman to avoid while midair...its just common sense.
2. By the logic of this forum he can still die but that doesn't put others at a massive disadvantage.
3. Spiderman has webbing, what was that about being simply at the mercy of gravity again?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-mans speed advantage is negateable as Wolverine's combat speed is compare and as far combat skill goes Wolverine is the superior by four orders of magnitude on a logarithmic scale. Wolverine is just a much better combatant.In melee combat Spider-man can't a) parry and b)block, his only option is to dodge everything coming at him. He can't win a a fight be dodging and he can't engage Wolverine in melee with out being ripped to shreds. He would need to trade a hit with Wolverine to land one of his own and whos do you think will do more damage? There is also the fact that Wolverine has the reach advantage while still being a much smaller target with a lower center of gravity.
Have you ever heard of a wrist? Or an arm? Why is Spider-Man all of a sudden an idiot who decides to block or parry a set of razor-sharp claws? All he has to do is stop his arm or hand from moving at all. Are you denying that Spider-Man is NOT fast enough to catch Wolverine's wrist? When the Wrecker was able to do it pretty easily?
Goddamn. Just because Wolverine is an expert martial artist doesn't make Spider-Man a wheelchair-bound retard when it comes to fighting.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. Spiderman has been hit by a bullet before.2. By the logic of this forum he can still die but that doesn't put others at a massive disadvantage.
3. Spiderman has webbing, what was that about being simply at the mercy of gravity again?
his webbing doesn't move faster than a bullet right?
Originally posted by masterbruce
Is that true? I always assumed his spidersense only warned him of impending danger and nothing more, which is why he could be hit by his foes.If his spidersense is as omnipotent as you make it seem, then he should NEVER get hit, EVER, at least by his normal cast of villains.
Well that would make a boring comic, now wouldn't it? The Flash gets hit by people that Squid Boy could dodge, I don't see you losing sleep over that. 😬
It's true though. His spider-sense warns of:
1. When the attack will start
2. When the attack will potentially connect
3. What kind of attack it is
4. Where on his person the attack will potentially connect
It also warns of other surrounding things, painting him an instant 360 degree picture of what's going on around him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
To be fair the functionality of Spider-man's spider sense varies more often the the abilities of the Powerpuff Girls. It is a vague warning sign just as often as it is a precise targeting system.
And yet it still doesn't vary anywhere near as much as the effectiveness of Wolvie's healing factor. 😐
Originally posted by masterbruce
Alot of people say spiderman gets hit so often in comics because of PIS, because if he actually used his powers he really should almost never be hit by anyone short of a speedster. And the main reason that he does get hit is because otherwise no one would read his comics. Well that logic goes bothways. He dodges bullets so often ALSO because of PIS, if he got killed, Marvel would lose massive profit so of course he will never die from a gunshot or anything, that is the nature of comics.Remember, Spiderman cannot fly. Once he's in the air, he's at the mercy of gravity. He may contort his body to avoid a handgun's bullets, but a machine gun spraying bullets in the air would be impossible for spiderman to avoid while midair...its just common sense.