Spider-Man vs. Punisher and Wolverine

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well that would make a boring comic, now wouldn't it? The Flash gets hit by people that Squid Boy could dodge, I don't see you losing sleep over that. 😬

It's true though. His spider-sense warns of:

1. When the attack will start
2. When the attack will potentially connect
3. What kind of attack it is
4. Where on his person the attack will potentially connect

It also warns of other surrounding things, painting him an instant 360 degree picture of what's going on around him.

I'm not losing sleep over Flash because

1) we're not talking about Flash
2) his sole attribute IS speed
3) if he gets hit by lowlevel goons, then it OBVIOUSLY is PIS since he can react at speed of light
4) I know very little about flash

Originally posted by masterbruce
Well if we are going by best showings, then Wolverine can survive a nuclear blast at pointblank. Spiderman's hardest punch direct on isn't even 1/1,000,000th the power of a nuclear bomb. So there isn't a thing Spiderman can do to phase wolverine. It'll be like punching an adamantium wall as hard as he can, his fist will be injured before wolverine will be.

To my knowledge, Wolverine has only done that once. If it becomes an established thing (him surviving nuclear blasts at point-blank range), then I'll believe it.

Spider-Man has been doing this all of his career. With a powerful spider-sense, uncanny reflexes, and unmatched agility. It's very much established.

so are we taking the best feats of both characters (in which case wolverine would win eventually just by tiring out spidey) or are we only taking the best of spidey and dismissing the best of wolverine ( in which case spidey is omnipotent and can never be hit and wolverine is a worthless sack of potatoes that will never even touch spidey)?

Originally posted by masterbruce
so are we taking the best feats of both characters (in which case wolverine would win eventually just by tiring out spidey) or are we only taking the best of spidey and dismissing the best of wolverine ( in which case spidey is omnipotent and can never be hit and wolverine is a worthless sack of potatoes that will never even touch spidey)?

Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm not losing sleep over Flash because

1) we're not talking about Flash
2) his sole attribute IS speed
3) if he gets hit by lowlevel goons, then it OBVIOUSLY is PIS since he can react at speed of light
4) I know very little about flash

I apologize for the sleep comment. 🙂

Lemme put it this way. Flash can literally pluck bullets out of the air. Myriads of them. Thousands of them. At the same time. He's also out-raced INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL.

And yet he still gets hit by Captain Boomerang or whatever the hell he's called. 😐

My point is, Spider-Man should not be hit by anyone slower than him unless he's either:

A. Completely surrounded
B. Outnumbered by limbs (Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, etc.)
C. Some other plot device

Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm not losing sleep over Flash because

1) we're not talking about Flash
2) his sole attribute IS speed
3) if he gets hit by lowlevel goons, then it OBVIOUSLY is PIS since he can react at speed of light
4) I know very little about flash

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Best of both would be Spideman dodging Wolverine and webbing him up, not having to fight him.

Pretty much. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
To my knowledge, Wolverine has only done that once. If it becomes an established thing (him surviving nuclear blasts at point-blank range), then I'll believe it.

Spider-Man has been doing this all of his career. With a powerful spider-sense, uncanny reflexes, and unmatched agility. It's very much established.

ummm, last time i checked, nuclear bombs aren't in the arsenal of just everyday crooks. So I doubt Wolverine will have the fortune of eating another nuke blast straight in the face, although im sure he would love to just to prove to you his healing abilities.

man, how many nuclear blasts does a man need to survive before he proves his worth these days?

Originally posted by masterbruce
ummm, last time i checked, nuclear bombs aren't in the arsenal of just everyday crooks. So I doubt Wolverine will have the fortune of eating another nuke blast straight in the face, although im sure he would love to just to prove to you his healing abilities.

man, how many nuclear blasts does a man need to survive before he proves his worth these days?

17. 😐

Edit: Really, I start believing a new feat after 2-3 times.

damn, that's rough. guess wolvie has a long ways to go to prove himself then.

1 nuke blast down, 16 to go.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
17. 😐

Edit: Really, I start believing a new feat after 2-3 times.

you do realize that nuclear blasts is not a common occurrence, even in comics. so its very unlikely that wolverine will be anywhere near the vicinity of another nuke, unfortunately.

*sigh*

Why is it that after more then three years as a member of this forum I'm still posting the same things? That is almost six years if I count my time on CBR and other forums.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Umm, Spiderman is

a) Stronger
b) Faster
c) More agile
d) He has spidersense

... how insightful

Originally posted by Dreampanther
He can punch Wolverine so hard he will only land next Tuesday (remember, Spiderman is ALWAYS holding back). Wolverine is NOT a better combatant, the only thing keeping him alive is his healing factor. He gets stabbed, shot and punched the whole time - Deadpool made him look ridiculous. Spiderman has to rely on his speed, agility and strength, to survive WITHOUT getting shot, stabbed or punched - and he has been doing this for years. So - who do YOU think is a better fighter?

Do you know anything about fighting? No? Wow... shocker. People avoid things because it is a necessity. Thats it, thats the only reason. If you got in a fight with someone and they started shooting spit balls at you would you bust out your gold medal gymnastic routine or would you stride straight through the spit balls towards your enemy? Wolverine doesn't even bat an eye lash at machine gun fire... why on earth would he over exert himself to avoid it? It only prolongs the battle.

Imagine for a moment you are in a sword duel against an opponent who is your equal, or even you better in martial skill. Now imagine that instead of wasting time going back in forth with blocks, parries and ripostes you allowed your opponent to land a fatal attack for the sol purpose of exposing an opening in your enemy for you to exploit. Now imagine that same wound would heal in an instance while your enemies would not. Why prolong the battle? For an arrogant showing of martial prowess? Wolverine's efficiency in combat and fluidity of motion is enough of an example of that.

Deadpool beat Wolverine who was with out a healing factor. Should I organize the parade or just mail him his medal? Seriously did you even read the issue? Wolverine is standing in the ruins of what was once a door way and Deadpool fires on him. Wolverine dodges the blast, prison rushes DP and lands not one, not two but three fatal attacks on Wade before Wade lands one of his own. And do you want to know why DP landed that hit? The same reason Punisher would riddle Spider-man with bullets. The same reason Wolverine stabbed Spider-man in the New Avengers training season. BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO AVOID AN ATTACK IN MIDAIR. You can't change your momentum and you body can only contort so much.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Spiderman has made Wolverine look like a fool before as well, plenty of times. Webbing him up with his claws pointing to his brains, so if he extends them he gives himself a lobotomy was quite a funny one, actually.

Spider-man is gifted with the ability to over power people who... you know... are not fighting him. Wolverine was talking to Spider-man, trying to avoid a needless fight, and Spider-man being rash and impulsive came out of left field and webbed him up. I'm sure I could blind side Mike Tyson with a baseball bat... I must really be impressive.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
But never mind that - let's talk about Spidey being unable to dodge Frank's bullets. Why has he suddenly lost the power to dodge bullets, when he's been doing it for years? He's dodged bullets in mid-air, he's even dodge guys spraying him with machine guns - and yet every time he comes through unscathed?

Spider-man doesn't dodge bullets. He avoids them by anticipating the directory of the bullet and getting out of the way before the bullet is fired. That's all there is to it. Spider-man avoids gun fire from random cannon who couldn't hit the brood side of a barn. Who hasn't? When Wolverine lost his healing factor from a nano tech virus he weaved between Gatling gun fire.

The fact of the matter is that Spider-man has never dodged bullets mid air, those bullets simple missed him. A bullet aimed a center mass on a suspended target is unavoidable no matter how fast you are.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Coincidence? Sure, if coincidence means having the ability to do it over, and over, and over, and over again...

Nothing to do with coincidence, just your inability to interpret comic evidence.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Look, I like Frank. And I like Logan too. But Frank is a man with a gun. Nothing more. A great shot, sure - but so what? Spidey has been doging bullets since he got his powers, please demonstrate to me why he has suddenly lost the ability to do so now?

Spider-man can't fly and he can't propel himself threw the air of his own volition. If Spider-man jumped in the air and someone fired his chest there is nothing he could do about it. He couldn't contort his body to avoid it. His webbing isn't faster then a bullet and even if it was he'd still need to use it to change his moment. Spider-man's fighting style is poorly suited for this type of combat and it doesn't make to best use of his attributes in general.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
As for Wolverine, he's not even in this fight. Spiderman can ignore him until he feels like dealing with him, which he can do any time he feels like it. And why can he not block or parry?

If Spider-man is avoiding Wolverine it means he is in the air (as Wolverine would make short work of Spider-man in melee) in which case Punisher shots him dead center.

He can't parry or block because he would lose which ever extremity he decided to use for the deed.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
He can simply grab his wists and use his own claws to stab Wolverine through anything he feels like stabbing him. Spidey will make Wolverine look like a hairy child.

If Spider-man tries to grab Wolverine's wrist he will lose a hand... seems like a risky strategy to me. Why do you think that would pay off.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
May I suggest the same to you? Spend some time on the Spiderman respect thread, and learn what he is actually capable of.

I don't need to go to respect thread, I (unlike you I suspect) have many long boxes filled entirely with Spider-man appearances giving me a much larger spectrum of Spider-man's abilities to work with not just the fan-boy favorites in the respect thread.

Spider-man's fighting style leaves him at the mercy of gravity, plain and simple. Explain to me how he would avoid Frank's bullets.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man doesn't dodge bullets. He avoids them by anticipating the directory of the bullet and getting out of the way before the bullet is fired. That's all there is to it. Spider-man avoids gun fire from random cannon who couldn't hit the brood side of a barn. Who hasn't? When Wolverine lost his healing factor from a nano tech virus he weaved between Gatling gun fire.

The fact of the matter is that Spider-man has never dodged bullets mid air, those bullets simple missed him. A bullet aimed a center mass on a suspended target is unavoidable no matter how fast you are.

Spider-man can't fly and he can't propel himself threw the air of his own volition. If Spider-man jumped in the air and someone fired his chest there is nothing he could do about it. He couldn't contort his body to avoid it. His webbing isn't faster then a bullet and even if it was he'd still need to use it to change his moment. Spider-man's fighting style is poorly suited for this type of combat and it doesn't make to best use of his attributes in general.

If Spider-man is avoiding Wolverine it means he is in the air (as Wolverine would make short work of Spider-man in melee) in which case Punisher shots him dead center.

He can't parry or block because he would lose which ever extremity he decided to use for the deed.

If Spider-man tries to grab Wolverine's wrist he will lose a hand... seems like a risky strategy to me. Why do you think that would pay off.

Spider-man's fighting style leaves him at the mercy of gravity, plain and simple. Explain to me how he would avoid Frank's bullets.

Alright. Let's see. I guess I'll work my way up.

How will he avoid Frank's bullets? By knowing where he will shoot way ahead of time and avoiding the paths the bullets will take. Simple as that.

Did Wolverine recently grow a set of claws from his wrists now that I was not aware of? I didn't realize grabbing his wrist (a la Wrecker) would result in a loss of extremity. Hm. Go figure. 🙄

Seriously though, srank. Why do you feel that it is impossible to grab the NON-BLADED part of Wolverine's arm during mid-swipe? Wrecker did it pretty easily. Spider-Man could do it even easier.

And yet Spider-Man dodges bullets--in the air--all the time. He's been doing that basically since his introduction.

And clearly Spider-man can dodge bullets.

Spidey can't take the majority against Wolverine alone. With Frank sniping at him keeping his Spidey Sense occupied it's Wolvy/Frank 10/10.

Originally posted by riceroost
Spidey can't take the majority against Wolverine alone. With Frank sniping at him keeping his Spidey Sense occupied it's Wolvy/Frank 10/10.

Since when can't Spider-Man take the majority over Wolverine? 🤨

Spidey can ignore Wolvie, for as long as he wants to. Except if Frank and Wolvie brought a ladder with, all Spidey has to do (once his Spider sense has warned him there's an ambush waiting for him) is dodge back behind a corner, and climb up onto a rooftop and wait until he has spotted Frank (which he will do with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed it - his Spider sense!).

Then he gets behind Frank (which he does with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed is - enhanced speed!) and drops him from the roof. Or webs him up and plays bounce the ball from the wall until he gets tired.

All the while he is standing on a ledge, 2 meters above the ground, and Wolvey is running around frantically trying to get a stepladder, so he can get his deadly, razor-sharp, utterly useless adamantium claws into action.

When Spidey gets bored playing with the Frankball, he decided to web lasso up Wolvey and starts practising his hammer-throw. Every time Wolvey puts his claws into action, cutting himself free, he drops about thirty stories, and pick up a (LOT) of internal damage. Leave us not forget - Wolverine has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G factor. Which means he picks up D-A-M-A-G-E. He is not I-N-V-U-L-N-E-R-A-B-L-E.

So while he is healing, (very rapidly, I will be the first to admit, (as stated before - I am actually a fan of Wolvey, and of Frank, I am, however, also able to see when people are TOTALLY outclassed)), so while he is healing, Spidey has lassoed him again, and is hoisting him up again. And then he drops him again.

And he does this for a while, until he gets bored, and goes home to bang Mary Jane.

I don't see a thing either Wolvey, or Frank, can do to Spidey. Meanwhile, I can think of more than a dozen things he can do to them. I just think he will be as bored with this fight as I am, and simply choose to leave them, waiting futilely in ambush, and go home to bang Mary Jane rather. I know I would. And Peter Parker is about ten times smarter than I am.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Spidey can ignore Wolvie, for as long as he wants to. Except if Frank and Wolvie brought a ladder with, all Spidey has to do (once his Spider sense has warned him there's an ambush waiting for him) is dodge back behind a corner, and climb up onto a rooftop and wait until he has spotted Frank (which he will do with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed it - his Spider sense!).

Then he gets behind Frank (which he does with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed is - enhanced speed!) and drops him from the roof. Or webs him up and plays bounce the ball from the wall until he gets tired.

All the while he is standing on a ledge, 2 meters above the ground, and Wolvey is running around frantically trying to get a stepladder, so he can get his dealy, razor-sharp, utterly useless adamantium claws into action.

When Spidey gets bored playing with the Frankball, he decided to web lasso up Wolvey and starts practising his hammer-throw. Every time Wolvey puts his claws into action, cutting himself free, he drops about thirty stories, and pick up a (LOT) of internal damage. Leave us not forget - Wolverine has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G factor. Which means he picks up D-A-M-A-G-E. He is not I-N-V-U-L-N-E-R-A-B-L-E.

So while he is healing, (very rapidly, I will be the first to admit, (as stated before - I am actually a fan of Wolvey, and of Frank, I am, however, also able to see when people are TOTALLY outclassed)), so while he is healing, Spidey has lassoed him again, and is hoisting him up again. And then he drops him again.

And he does this for a while, until he gets bored, and goes home to bang Mary Jane.

I don't see a thing either Wolvey, or Frank, can do to Spidey. Meanwhile, I can think of more than a dozen things he can do to them. I just think he will be as bored with this fight as I am, and simply choose to leave them, waiting futilely in ambush, and go home to bang Mary Jane rather. I know I would. And Peter Parker is about ten times smarter than I am.

As usual, good points all around.

Mary Jane for the win! 😉

Originally posted by Dreampanther

Wolverine is NOT a better combatant

Muhahahahaha good one... Wolverines fighting skills are so far beyond spideys it's not even funny.. Spidey can't engage wolverine in H2H combat, he would get ripped to shreds.

However, Spidey will most likely defeat Logan since he is a more versatile character. He has more options. In a fight to the death Wolverine WOULD kill spidey.

How? By standing on a stepladder? And waving his arms and jumping up and down and yelling "I am the best at what I do!" until Spiderman dies laughing, or from boredom?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. Let's see. I guess I'll work my way up.

How will he avoid Frank's bullets? By knowing where he will shoot way ahead of time and avoiding the paths the bullets will take. Simple as that.

Did Wolverine recently grow a set of claws from his wrists now that I was not aware of? I didn't realize grabbing his wrist (a la Wrecker) would result in a loss of extremity. Hm. Go figure. 🙄

Seriously though, srank. Why do you feel that it is impossible to grab the NON-BLADED part of Wolverine's arm during mid-swipe? Wrecker did it pretty easily. Spider-Man could do it even easier.

And yet Spider-Man dodges bullets--in the air--all the time. He's been doing that basically since his introduction.

And clearly Spider-man can dodge bullets.