Spider-Man vs. Punisher and Wolverine

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Spidey can ignore Wolvie, for as long as he wants to. Except if Frank and Wolvie brought a ladder with, all Spidey has to do (once his Spider sense has warned him there's an ambush waiting for him) is dodge back behind a corner, and climb up onto a rooftop and wait until he has spotted Frank (which he will do with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed it - his Spider sense!).

Then he gets behind Frank (which he does with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed is - enhanced speed!) and drops him from the roof. Or webs him up and plays bounce the ball from the wall until he gets tired.

All the while he is standing on a ledge, 2 meters above the ground, and Wolvey is running around frantically trying to get a stepladder, so he can get his deadly, razor-sharp, utterly useless adamantium claws into action.

When Spidey gets bored playing with the Frankball, he decided to web lasso up Wolvey and starts practising his hammer-throw. Every time Wolvey puts his claws into action, cutting himself free, he drops about thirty stories, and pick up a (LOT) of internal damage. Leave us not forget - Wolverine has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G factor. Which means he picks up D-A-M-A-G-E. He is not I-N-V-U-L-N-E-R-A-B-L-E.

So while he is healing, (very rapidly, I will be the first to admit, (as stated before - I am actually a fan of Wolvey, and of Frank, I am, however, also able to see when people are TOTALLY outclassed)), so while he is healing, Spidey has lassoed him again, and is hoisting him up again. And then he drops him again.

And he does this for a while, until he gets bored, and goes home to bang Mary Jane.

I don't see a thing either Wolvey, or Frank, can do to Spidey. Meanwhile, I can think of more than a dozen things he can do to them. I just think he will be as bored with this fight as I am, and simply choose to leave them, waiting futilely in ambush, and go home to bang Mary Jane rather. I know I would. And Peter Parker is about ten times smarter than I am.

So are Frank and Wolverine now idiots on Rhino's level? They are just going to walk up and let Spidey ambush them without doing anything? These are two of the smartest fighters in the world who try to get every advantage in battle and you make them seem like everyday dumb crooks.

Also, when has Spiderman ever just webbed a formidable foe such as wolverine and started to toss him over and over without wolverine fighting back?

There is so much spiderman fanboyism on this board.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Well if we are going by best showings, then Wolverine can survive a nuclear blast at pointblank. Spiderman's hardest punch direct on isn't even 1/1,000,000th the power of a nuclear bomb. So there isn't a thing Spiderman can do to phase wolverine. It'll be like punching an adamantium wall as hard as he can, his fist will be injured before wolverine will be.

Well if you want to use best single showings then Spider-Man beat a herald of Galactus.

Besides, the argument isn't can Spider-Man kill Punisher and Wolverine. Its can he beat them. A simple backhand slap over a few buildings will take Wolverine out of this one.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So are Frank and Wolverine now idiots on Rhino's level? They are just going to walk up and let Spidey ambush them without doing anything? These are two of the smartest fighters in the world who try to get every advantage in battle and you make them seem like everyday dumb crooks.

Also, when has Spiderman ever just webbed a formidable foe such as wolverine and started to toss him over and over without wolverine fighting back?

There is so much spiderman fanboyism on this board.

They are smart, yes. Don't think anyones saying they aren't. But they can't match Spider-Man.

Please. Spider-Man has swatted away Logan like he was nothing, has webbed him up and placed him in a helpless position and been on the verge of killing him and yet Wolverine fans always have an excuse. Oh, he wasn't ready, oh he trying to reason, oh he had to pee.

Just because things aren't going your way don't cry fanboy. Arguements have been been presented here to show Spider-Man's abilities, even scans to back them up, yet all you can say is "No, he can't do that". Yea, I can see how totally unfair this is.

Tell me this how does Frank and Logan win is Spider-Man goes invisible and speed blitzes the two of them. Logan will still be able sense Peter, but Frank will have no way of knowing where he is and no defence agaisnt a spider-punch (which WILL KO him). Then its just Logan vs Peter (who's not holding back). SM can then proceed to

a) just web him up
b) punch/kick him over the horizon
c) suffocate him with the liquid metal in his suit

Sure there are others, but I don't feel like being creative right now. I'm sure you get the point though

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Didn't he argue that all Street Levelers could dodge bullets? I guess he had a change of heart. I'd say Spiderman can dodge them, but not 100% no worry dodge, he has a chance to get hit depending on the distance.

Well, yea. Of course there's ALWAYS the chance depending on certain circumstances. It's just more probable that he will be able to dodge 95% of their attacks.

Originally posted by marvelprince
They are smart, yes. Don't think anyones saying they aren't. But they can't match Spider-Man.

Please. Spider-Man has swatted away Logan like he was nothing, has webbed him up and placed him in a helpless position and been on the verge of killing him and yet Wolverine fans always have an excuse. Oh, he wasn't ready, oh he trying to reason, oh he had to pee.

Just because things aren't going your way don't cry fanboy. Arguements have been been presented here to show Spider-Man's abilities, even scans to back them up, yet all you can say is "No, he can't do that". Yea, I can see how totally unfair this is.

Tell me this how does Frank and Logan win is Spider-Man goes invisible and speed blitzes the two of them. Logan will still be able sense Peter, but Frank will have no way of knowing where he is and no defence agaisnt a spider-punch (which WILL KO him). Then its just Logan vs Peter (who's not holding back). SM can then proceed to

a) just web him up
b) punch/kick him over the horizon
c) suffocate him with the liquid metal in his suit

Sure there are others, but I don't feel like being creative right now. I'm sure you get the point though

...Damn. I KEEP forgetting that Spidey has his Iron Costume when making my arguments. 😛

Spidey wins easier than I previously said.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So are Frank and Wolverine now idiots on Rhino's level? They are just going to walk up and let Spidey ambush them without doing anything? These are two of the smartest fighters in the world who try to get every advantage in battle and you make them seem like everyday dumb crooks.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Also, when has Spiderman ever just webbed a formidable foe such as wolverine and started to toss him over and over without wolverine fighting back?

Originally posted by masterbruce
There is so much spiderman fanboyism on this board.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, man. I totally forgot about the Iron costume. I was giving my vote based on current Spider-Man in his normal costume.

Current Spidey in normal costume wins it 6/10.
Iron Spidey wins it 9/10.

In fact,Wolverine could take spiderman by himself..

It's a possibility, I just wouldn't put my money on it in a bet.

Originally posted by X-Logan
Exactly.

In fact,Wolverine could take spiderman by himself..

Err...are you quoting the right person? 😕

I disagree with your statement. 😑

Spider-Man definitely takes the majority over Wolverine.

And then an even higher majority in his Iron Spidey outfit.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Didn't he argue that all Street Levelers could dodge bullets? I guess he had a change of heart. I'd say Spiderman can dodge them, but not 100% no worry dodge, he has a chance to get hit depending on the distance.

I'm not saying that Spider-man can't dodge bullets, I'm saying he can't dodge bullets in the air. It's impossible and speed has nothing to do with it. Even if Spider-man was as fast as the Flash he still couldn't dodge a bullet while suspended in the air. Spider-man's fighting style has him air born the majority of the time and Frank is more the capable of shooting him out of the air.

Ok people are forgetting a very important fact here....Spider-man is in his iron Suit, thats right people his iron suit, and what does that grant him duh duh duuuuhhh Invisibilty, but not only that wait for...yes its coming....hold onto your hats...here it is....the suit is BULLET PROOF...Whats castle going to do to someone who is now almost imperviouse to his primary form of attack?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That seems like what you're trying to do.

Plenty of times, of course he wouldn't do it to guys like he and DD because they are icons and the match would be boring, not a factor here. Plus like I mentioned earlier he can turn invisible.

No, there are people like you who hate characters that win because of their vast superiority in other areas, so you go out on a limb to make him lose to your MA heroes because you believe that they can "take anything" with enough training. It get's annoying, no matter how much training you have, a normal human with Peak reflexes should never catch a bullet or flip a car over. Period. It's wrong plain and simple, thus the argument is absurd. I didn't even say Spiderman would curbstomp at all, my point was addressing something else. You have no proof, you have no facts, and no solid argument but to complain that people are overrating Spiderman in areas he's good in. I agree that some other members might give him the benefit of the doubt often, but there are 10x that many people putting im up in stupid matches and underestimating him, ESPECIALLY in a thread where he's not holding back at all.

the last accusation is pretty funny. I actually really dislike wolverine and like spiderman a lot more. However, that doesn't mean Im going to stick up for spidey just becuase i think he's a cooler character.

Im pretty sure I made arguments in wolverine and punisher's favor, as well as other people, if you choose to dismiss them, that's fine.

And since this is iron costume spidey, I give it to spidey since Frank becomes much less of a threat.

Spidey 7/10 (SEE, unlike some people on this board, im open to new arguments and I WILL change my opinion if I think Im wrong)

Originally posted by masterbruce
the last accusation is pretty funny. I actually really dislike wolverine and like spiderman a lot more. However, that doesn't mean Im going to stick up for spidey just becuase i think he's a cooler character.

Im pretty sure I made arguments in wolverine and punisher's favor, as well as other people, if you choose to dismiss them, that's fine.

And since this is iron costume spidey, I give it to spidey since Frank becomes much less of a threat.

Spidey 7/10 (SEE, unlike some people on this board, im open to new arguments and I WILL change my opinion if I think Im wrong)

I brought up Iron Spiderman tons of times before as well as other members, not that it's important anymore though.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man 6/10. Very close match.

Alone, I'd probably give them better odds (not majority, just better), but Spidey will use their teamwork to his advantage.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well if you want to use best single showings then Spider-Man beat a herald of Galactus.

Besides, the argument isn't can Spider-Man kill Punisher and Wolverine. Its can he beat them. A simple backhand slap over a few buildings will take Wolverine out of this one.

meh... he beat an admittedly holding back herald in a close-up confrontation which isn't his strong point anyways... the guy's been floored by one hit from hercules and humiliated by black knight....
he's a tough guy, but spiderman also had loads of plot devices in his favor.. not QUITE the feat people build it up to be.

Originally posted by jinzin
meh... he beat an admittedly holding back herald in a close-up confrontation which isn't his strong point anyways... the guy's been floored by one hit from hercules and humiliated by black knight....
he's a tough guy, but spiderman also had loads of plot devices in his favor.. not QUITE the feat people build it up to be.

Thats my point. I personally shy away from using that feat, just used it to counter the argument that Wolverine can't be beat beat because he survived a nuke. Basically the agrument was kinda like Spider-Man can't stop him cause he isn't a fraction as strong as a nuke which failed to stop Wolverine so I countered with Spider-Man beating a herald. Just using one high end feat to counter another

Originally posted by masterbruce
the last accusation is pretty funny. I actually really dislike wolverine and like spiderman a lot more. However, that doesn't mean Im going to stick up for spidey just becuase i think he's a cooler character

Shouldn't have to do with cool. It should involve taking scope of a characters stats and abilities and discerning what they can accomplish.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Im pretty sure I made arguments in wolverine and punisher's favor, as well as other people, if you choose to dismiss them, that's fine.

You and Srank made some good arguments. But unfortunately most of it relied on saying Spider-Man can't do things he's been shown to do since his inception

Originally posted by masterbruce
And since this is iron costume spidey, I give it to spidey since Frank becomes much less of a threat.

I had forgotten that the costume is bulletproof.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Spidey 7/10 (SEE, unlike some people on this board, im open to new arguments and I WILL change my opinion if I think Im wrong)

Glad to see you aren't stubborn. You can admit when your wrong, thats good seeing as how rare that is on these boards.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Thats my point. I personally shy away from using that feat, just used it to counter the argument that Wolverine can't be beat beat because he survived a nuke. Basically the agrument was kinda like Spider-Man can't stop him cause he isn't a fraction as strong as a nuke which failed to stop Wolverine so I countered with Spider-Man beating a herald. Just using one high end feat to counter another

Originally posted by jinzin
except wolverine survived a nuke without plot devices.... it's an actual high end feat...
the spiderman beating fl is somewhat fabricated in that spiderman needed those plot devices just to stay competative.. their not comparible because one has outside circumstances to allow it to take place.. the other does not.

So the fact that Wolverine shouldn't have been able to survive a blast due to the very nature of a nuclear blast and how his hf works does serve at all to damper this feat? Wow

How about Spider-Man beating Grey Hulk then. Can we take that as a high end feat?

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Spidey can ignore Wolvie, for as long as he wants to. Except if Frank and Wolvie brought a ladder with, all Spidey has to do (once his Spider sense has warned him there's an ambush waiting for him) is dodge back behind a corner, and climb up onto a rooftop and wait until he has spotted Frank (which he will do with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed it - his Spider sense!).

Then he gets behind Frank (which he does with - wait for it - yes, you've guessed is - enhanced speed!) and drops him from the roof. Or webs him up and plays bounce the ball from the wall until he gets tired.

All the while he is standing on a ledge, 2 meters above the ground, and Wolvey is running around frantically trying to get a stepladder, so he can get his deadly, razor-sharp, utterly useless adamantium claws into action.

When Spidey gets bored playing with the Frankball, he decided to web lasso up Wolvey and starts practising his hammer-throw. Every time Wolvey puts his claws into action, cutting himself free, he drops about thirty stories, and pick up a (LOT) of internal damage. Leave us not forget - Wolverine has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G factor. Which means he picks up D-A-M-A-G-E. He is not I-N-V-U-L-N-E-R-A-B-L-E.

So while he is healing, (very rapidly, I will be the first to admit, (as stated before - I am actually a fan of Wolvey, and of Frank, I am, however, also able to see when people are TOTALLY outclassed)), so while he is healing, Spidey has lassoed him again, and is hoisting him up again. And then he drops him again.

And he does this for a while, until he gets bored, and goes home to bang Mary Jane.

I don't see a thing either Wolvey, or Frank, can do to Spidey. Meanwhile, I can think of more than a dozen things he can do to them. I just think he will be as bored with this fight as I am, and simply choose to leave them, waiting futilely in ambush, and go home to bang Mary Jane rather. I know I would. And Peter Parker is about ten times smarter than I am.