What you consistently fail to understand is that you live in a world of skewed personal truths that have no ramifications on the rest of society.
Your myopic views are both inconsistent and contradictory and don't stand up to any degree of intellectual scrutiny.
People lie to themselves every day about any number of things. I personally can care less about what delusions you reap in your own mind. I care about what everyone experiences the same way, which is not "faith," or at least your poor concept of the word. What you experience is more accurately termed ignorance.
Originally posted by supdude
❌what poor logic...
Apparently someone has never heard of the book referred to as as [b]THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD
Guess what this book is called?
ANSWER: the BIBLE!!!
And guess what the bible has in it?
GODS VIEWS!!![b]
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NEXT!!!
The inspired word of god has also been the teachings of budda, the Koran, various psychotic clut leaders
sure the bible could be the word of god but it could also have been written by the devil
Originally posted by Alliance
What you consistently fail to understand is that you live in a world of skewed personal truths that have no ramifications on the rest of society.Your myopic views are both inconsistent and contradictory and don't stand up to any degree of intellectual scrutiny.
People lie to themselves every day about any number of things. I personally can care less about what delusions you reap in your own mind. I care about what everyone experiences the same way, which is not "faith," or at least your poor concept of the word. What you experience is more accurately termed ignorance.
Intellectual scrutiny? Says who? You? Don't make me laugh. There are many people much smarter and more logical than you that have the same beliefs as me. Sorry, but you'll have to better than make claims of your 'intellectual scrutiny'.
You apparently have the weak definition of faith. Probably because you have never experienced it. So once you know the Christian definition of faith we can discuss it. Until then you are ignorant of my views. My experience is not ignorance.
which is why I feel that my position of [its just both, accept it] ignornce is a good choice. smile
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He needs to prove it to us, if he wants us to beleive....otherwise, we will disregard his argument entirely...like always.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Skewed personal truths? Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Intellectual scrutiny? Says who? You? Don't make me laugh. There are many people much smarter and more logical than you that have the same beliefs as me. Sorry, but you'll have to better than make claims of your 'intellectual scrutiny'.
Originally posted by Nellinator
You apparently have the weak definition of faith. Probably because you have never experienced it. So once you know the Christian definition of faith we can discuss it. Until then you are ignorant of my views. My experience is not ignorance.
I care about what THE definition of faith is, which is apparently a concept beond your grasp. The world is not Christian, Christianity is a plurality at best, and it wont be one for long. Your experience is yours alone and it has no consequence on anyone else. Eyes can deceive. Your brain can as well. Wasn't that discussed in your book? Yet you choose not to follow it because you are blinded by absolute arrogance. You, like all men, are flawed and hence cannot be trusted to make accurate observations. I understand that. You clearly don't. You live in a world of Self. A personal and selfish world. I, thank God, have found a larger perspective.
You can't offer anything. You dodge. You oversimply. Like a child, you live in a one-eyed world of two colors. Thank goodness many people in this world have more adult perspetives to guide us forward.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I hope you remember saying this. Before you accuse others of ignorance you perhaps you should show the ignorance instead of trying to simply attack the person without a specific detail to attack. If you want to debate I have no problem, but if you want to waste your time with this pointless crap please do not direct it my way.
I never wrote any such thing.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The disbelief in the power of faith and the argument that science can explain everything that is done through faith....eventually.
Originally posted by Nellinator
God sent his son to us to prove his love and yet so many still do not believe.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Jesus fulfilled prophecy and the very existence of the new nation of Israel fulfills prophecy.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Archaelogical evidence attests to the historical accuracy of the Bible and people will believe in its geographical claims, but people will not believe when it when it says someone was raised from the dead or healed.
Originally posted by Nellinator
God has given us evidence so that those with lesser faith can believe, but they choose not to.
You simply used the same old recycled cr@p, which makes talking to you rather aggravating. Its not surprising why you fail at this.
Originally posted by Alliance
I very much have an idea.Really? Intelligent people are usually not insane. I have always made better, and I'm sick of reading you're useless crap. I've always debated you, so wake the eff up.
I have a higher defintion of faith than I've seen you display. You do a fabulous job of proving my point. I don't give a rats ass about what your defintion of faith is or what the Christian defintion of faith is.
I care about what THE definition of faith is, which is apparently a concept beond your grasp. The world is not Christian, Christianity is a plurality at best, and it wont be one for long. Your experience is yours alone and it has no consequence on anyone else. Eyes can deceive. Your brain can as well. Wasn't that discussed in your book? Yet you choose not to follow it because you are blinded by absolute arrogance. You, like all men, are flawed and hence cannot be trusted to make accurate observations. I understand that. You clearly don't. You live in a world of Self. A personal and selfish world. I, thank God, have found a larger perspective.
You can't offer anything. You dodge. You oversimply. Like a child, you live in a one-eyed world of two colors. Thank goodness many people in this world have more adult perspetives to guide us forward.
I never wrote any such thing.
The definition of faith is originally Christian, from the Bible and based on the Bible. What the secular world has changed it to does not apply in respects to my posts so get over the fact that you think you are more open minded than me when you are not. You are just as close minded and actually attempt to be even more forceful with your ideas than I am. You are as guilty of trying to impose your beliefs on others as I am so if you want to continue this then you are a hypocrite. If you say I am a flawed human you would be correct, but in saying I am unable to make accurate observations then you also are unable to by your own definition making your observation me suspect by your own words. Thank you for defeating yourself.
You believe that I am selfish, but this is simply not true. How could teaching others about Jesus and God ever be self serving? What do I have to gain from it? Nothing. That is fact and, therefore, your argument is self defeating once again. When you have a valid attack to make against my character you are welcome to bring it up.
Like a child? Like a child that comes on attacks others for having different views than oneself? Wait I don't do that, but you do. Sorry, but this entire argument was started by your childish and pointless post. You have nothing to gain from the argument, you can prove no points through this argument, you have nothing to gain from this argument and am confused to why you even bothered trying this. It hasn't work, it won't work, and nothing will change so please stop now and end this waste of energy.
And yes, you did say that and therefore your entire crediblity gone. You claim not to be ignorant and yet you admitted to it, but now you are ignorant to the fact that that you admitted to it.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He needs to prove it to us, if he wants us to beleive....otherwise, we will disregard his argument entirely...like always.
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WRONGS!
the proof is in the pudding. All I gotta do is provide u with the VALID PROOF as listed in the BIBLE. Jesus is PROOF ENOUGH.
It is YOUR RESPONSABILITY..to either ACCEPT or REJECT the VALID PROOF ive presented you with...
for even if the son of god ROSE from the dead and CAME TO THEM..MANY STILL wouldn't BELEIF..
It was a Nice try..
NOT!!
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Originally posted by supdude
❌[b]WRONGS!
the proof is in the pudding. All I gotta do is provide u with the VALID PROOF as listed in the BIBLE. Jesus is PROOF ENOUGH.
It is YOUR RESPONSABILITY..to either ACCEPT or REJECT the VALID PROOF ive presented you with...
for even if the son of god ROSE from the dead and CAME TO THEM..MANY STILL wouldn't BELEIF..
It was a Nice try..
NOT!!
👇 [/B]
However, you must prove the bible to be correct or your point is lost.
The word faith is of Indo-European origins. I'd direct you these:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/84/F0018400.html
and http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE49.html
However, all this is inconsequential considering that the term faith in the context that I use it is strictly defined by the Bible and since this is what is under scrutiny the Biblical definition is all that really matters.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The word faith is of Indo-European origins. I'd direct you these:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/84/F0018400.html
and http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE49.html
However, all this is inconsequential considering that the term faith in the context that I use it is strictly defined by the Bible and since this is what is under scrutiny the Biblical definition is all that really matters.
You have not proven that what you believe is the truth. Faith is not dependent on truth, and the biblical use of the word is not independent of other uses of the word. This is more likely your way of rationalizing your belief, then a true use of the word faith.
😆 are you kidding me?
Originally posted by Nellinator
It is called faith. It is not complicated.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The secular definition is less demanding and less complex
Basically, you're a bullsh*tter. The Christian defintion of faith is not the primary definition. Its not used by the majority of world and it is not even used by all Christians.
Its not my fault that people in the bible were unable to come up with accurate words or that the meaning of words has changed over time, or that the Bible has been edited. However, you have a responsibility (since you're so intelligent) to use the correct and primary definition of a given word.
And I would say that "secular" (as in not your skewed Christian definition) is much more complex and accurate.
No it is not more complex. And yet the Christian definition is still simple. How can you make these claims if you do not even know what Christian faith is? You can't. As for the Bible being editted, not very true, the discrepancies have long been discovered and changed back. Besides I am sure you know very little about the edits made to the Bible and just go on what you have heard, random ideas from random people, none of whom are credible.
I go by what the Bible teaches on faith. It is more than belief in the ideal of Jesus, it is knowing that Jesus came to the earth in the flesh, was the son of God, died on the cross to save us from our sins, that God raised Jesus from the dead utterly defeating death and giving us victory over sin, that Jesus has all power on earth and in heaven, that that authority has been given to us, that through Jesus all things are possible for us, that we will have life everlasting, and that no matter what happens to me God's will be done.