Originally posted by Thundar
So basically you're saying that there's no righteous or justified anger one possesses, when they've witnessed a loved one murdered, raped, or stolen from? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
When you used the term "righteous anger" before, it was used to referring to a god. Are you now changing your story, or did I miss understand you?
yeah the real arrogance of these christians, problem is that the will of your fantasy saviour aint the will of sane people
Oh yes. Highly respected professors and leading scientists are obviously insane. And don't even get me started on those Philosophers, or the American revolution guys, or the people who started the Renaissance, man...
Although, I'd like to chew that guy out too. "Turn or burn" definitely ain't gonna do anything but make you look like a pompous, arrogant, *self-edit*.
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*["yeah the real arrogance of these christians..."]
***Isn't it interesting and "coincidental" that your logo should be the "pentagram"...the logo universally used by SATANISTS...as the sign of allegiance to THEIR god [Satan]..."the god of this world..." [2 Corinthians 4:4]...who [in his ARROGANCE] would dain to elevate his throne ABOVE the throne of God. How convenient of you to overlook that...but then, of course, as a loyal follower of YOUR "pip-squeak" god Satan...you would do his bidding...and rail against Christians because they are "arrogant" in their faith to the only true God [Jesus Christ].
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*["...problem is that the will of your fantasy saviour aint the will of sane people..."]
***"There is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me" [Isaiah 45:21].
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" [John 14:6].
Logically, it's not possible for all the major world religions to be valid ways to God. Christianity states that the God of the Bible is the only true God and salvation is only possible by accepting Christ as Savior and Lord...while Judaism states that the God of the Torah/Old Testament is the only true God...but that Jesus is not the Messiah...putting it directly at odds with Christianity. Jesus either is the Messiah, or he is not. If He is...then Judiasm is not a valid way to God...if He is not...Christianity is not a valid way to God. The "mutual exclusion" only grows when other religions are added...Islam says that Allah is the only true God, and that anyone who says Christ is the Son of God will be condemned (Qur'an, 5:72, 9:30). Furthermore, if religions other than Christianity are valid ways to God...then one of Christianity's basic principles is false. In that case...can it still be said to be a valid, trustworthy religion? [1 Cor 15:14-19].
So...no matter what belief system you adopt...you will be saying that YOUR system is right and that the billions of people who don't accept it are wrong. If it is correct to approve of multiple belief systems because they're all valid ways of acheiving spiritual enlightenment, the billions of Christians, Jews, Muslims and others who belive in exclusive religions are intolerant and therefore wrong.
How then can Christians be sure their religion is the right one? Being born into a Christian family or growing up in a Christian community doesn't make one a Christian...culture and ethnicity don't determine one's relationship with God. Instead, people become Christians because they are convinced of the truth of Christianity...and/or have had
experiences with God...have good reasons for believing Christianity to be true. Too...Christians are NOT saying that their PERSONAL ideas are true...but that the Christian God EXISTS...and his WORDS are TRUE.
Furthermore...Christianity is unique among religions because it addresses the fact that we...can never be "good enough" to be in the presence of a perfect, holy God. In order to be perfectly good...we would have to be doing good all the time. If we do something wrong...we can't undo it...and we can no longer be considered perfect. Nor can we do more good to make up for our wrongs...for perfection requires doing the most good possible at all times...for we can't be more than perfect to make up for when we were less than perfect.
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Originally posted by Marchello
Page 1:*["yeah the real arrogance of these christians..."]
***Isn't it interesting and "coincidental" that your logo should be the "pentagram"...the logo universally used by SATANISTS...as the sign of allegiance to THEIR god [Satan]..."the god of this world..." [2 Corinthians 4:4]...who [in his ARROGANCE] would dain to elevate his throne ABOVE the throne of God. How convenient of you to overlook that...but then, of course, as a loyal follower of YOUR "pip-squeak" god Satan...you would do his bidding...and rail against Christians because they are "arrogant" in their faith to the only true God [Jesus Christ].
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*["...problem is that the will of your fantasy saviour aint the will of sane people..."]
***"There is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me" [Isaiah 45:21].
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" [John 14:6].
Logically, it's not possible for all the major world religions to be valid ways to God. Christianity states that the God of the Bible is the only true God and salvation is only possible by accepting Christ as Savior and Lord...while Judaism states that the God of the Torah/Old Testament is the only true God...but that Jesus is not the Messiah...putting it directly at odds with Christianity. Jesus either is the Messiah, or he is not. If He is...then Judiasm is not a valid way to God...if He is not...Christianity is not a valid way to God. The "mutual exclusion" only grows when other religions are added...Islam says that Allah is the only true God, and that anyone who says Christ is the Son of God will be condemned (Qur'an, 5:72, 9:30). Furthermore, if religions other than Christianity are valid ways to God...then one of Christianity's basic principles is false. In that case...can it still be said to be a valid, trustworthy religion? [1 Cor 15:14-19].
So...no matter what belief system you adopt...you will be saying that YOUR system is right and that the billions of people who don't accept it are wrong. If it is correct to approve of multiple belief systems because they're all valid ways of acheiving spiritual enlightenment, the billions of Christians, Jews, Muslims and others who belive in exclusive religions are intolerant and therefore wrong.
How then can Christians be sure their religion is the right one? Being born into a Christian family or growing up in a Christian community doesn't make one a Christian...culture and ethnicity don't determine one's relationship with God. Instead, people become Christians because they are convinced of the truth of Christianity...and/or have had
experiences with God...have good reasons for believing Christianity to be true. Too...Christians are NOT saying that their PERSONAL ideas are true...but that the Christian God EXISTS...and his WORDS are TRUE.Furthermore...Christianity is unique among religions because it addresses the fact that we...can never be "good enough" to be in the presence of a perfect, holy God. In order to be perfectly good...we would have to be doing good all the time. If we do something wrong...we can't undo it...and we can no longer be considered perfect. Nor can we do more good to make up for our wrongs...for perfection requires doing the most good possible at all times...for we can't be more than perfect to make up for when we were less than perfect.
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Other religions teach that we can somehow do enough good to earn heaven or nirvana...but they don't address the fact that we continually make mistakes. Christianity teaches that our sins were paid for by Jesus' death on the cross...and that by accepting his payment and believing in him we can be forgiven...we don't have to earn our way into heaven...because we can't do it. Christ is the only way to God...because without the forgiveness that comes through his death and resurrection...there is no way for us to be able to stand before a holy God.
Saying that Christianity is right does not mean that Christians themselves are right about everything...nor that they are innately superior to non-Christians. What Christianity teaches is...that both Christians and non-Christians "have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23) and need salvation...which comes only by the grace of God...not the individual's actions or merits (Eph 2:8-9, 1 Cor 1:26-31).
Christianity is intolerant of other beliefs
Is refusing to call a belief false always the right thing to do? For instance...is it right to say that racism and Nazism are simply alternate belief systems that we shouldn't pass judgment on...or should we condemn these beliefs as being morally wrong? If someone believes they have the right to rape or kill whomever they please...should we
accept their beliefs as an alternate lifestyle...or denounce them? Tolerance is an admirable virtue in many circumstances...but tolerating wrong by refusing to say it's wrong is in itself wrong. If Christianity is true...then there is only one God...and salvation comes only through Him...and religions that deny this are not merely alternate
forms of spiritual expression...but systems of belief that prevent their adherents from obtaining salvation. If Christ is, in fact, the only way to God...then to claim that he's not is both false and dangerous. If someone can only have salvation by accepting Christ as their Savior...telling them they don't need to accept Christ is even more wrong...no matter how tolerant or well-meaning it may seem to be.
First of all...would a religion that taught that everyone goes to heaven be a good religion? We would all like to think that we and our loved ones will go to heaven...yet if everyone automatically goes to heaven [this includes evil people as well as good people]...should an unrepentant killer go to heaven? Should someone who enjoys torturing people...or who molests children and feels no guilt...go to heaven? If not...then there are cases when it's morally right for people to be excluded from heaven.
Christianity does NOT teach that only Christians deserve to go to heaven...rather; it teaches that no one deserves to go to heaven... because we have all sinned during our lives (Rom 3:23). We can gain admittance to heaven by repenting of our sins...accepting Jesus Christ's death as payment for our sins...and following and worshipping Him as Saviour and Lord [God]. The principle is that Jesus is the ONLY way to God...not any particular church or denomination (Jn 6:40). Thus...salvation is accessible to everyone...and is intended by God for everyone: "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth" [Isaiah 45:22]..."I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone...This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a saving knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men" [1 Timothy 2:1, 3-6].
Indeed...there will be people "from every nation...tribe...and tongue" who will be saved [Revelations 7:9]. Thus, far from being exclusive...Christianity is inclusive. Anyone who chooses to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is a Christian...and has equal standing with ALL other Christians before God: "You are ALL sons of God through FAITH in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" [Galatians 3:26-28].
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
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Christianity does NOT teach that only Christians deserve to go to heaven...rather; it teaches that no one deserves to go to heaven... because we have all sinned during our lives (Rom 3:23). We can gain admittance to heaven by repenting of our sins...accepting Jesus Christ's death as payment for our sins...and following and worshipping Him as Saviour and Lord [God]. The principle is that Jesus is the ONLY way to God...not any particular church or denomination (Jn 6:40). Thus...salvation is accessible to everyone...and is intended by God for everyone: "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth" [Isaiah 45:22]..."I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone...This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a saving knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men" [1 Timothy 2:1, 3-6].Indeed...there will be people "from every nation...tribe...and tongue" who will be saved [Revelations 7:9]. Thus, far from being exclusive...Christianity is inclusive. Anyone who chooses to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is a Christian...and has equal standing with ALL other Christians before God: "You are ALL sons of God through FAITH in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" [Galatians 3:26-28].
Marchello
umm . . .
did you just say that "Christianity doesn't say only Christians go to heaven" and then explain how only Christians go to heaven?
Originally posted by Marchello
Page 2:Other religions teach that we can somehow do enough good to earn heaven or nirvana...but they don't address the fact that we continually make mistakes. Christianity teaches that our sins were paid for by Jesus' death on the cross...and that by accepting his payment and believing in him we can be forgiven...we don't have to earn our way into heaven...because we can't do it. Christ is the only way to God...because without the forgiveness that comes through his death and resurrection...there is no way for us to be able to stand before a holy God.
Saying that Christianity is right does not mean that Christians themselves are right about everything...nor that they are innately superior to non-Christians. What Christianity teaches is...that both Christians and non-Christians "have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23) and need salvation...which comes only by the grace of God...not the individual's actions or merits (Eph 2:8-9, 1 Cor 1:26-31).
Christianity is intolerant of other beliefsIs refusing to call a belief false always the right thing to do? For instance...is it right to say that racism and Nazism are simply alternate belief systems that we shouldn't pass judgment on...or should we condemn these beliefs as being morally wrong? If someone believes they have the right to rape or kill whomever they please...should we
accept their beliefs as an alternate lifestyle...or denounce them? Tolerance is an admirable virtue in many circumstances...but tolerating wrong by refusing to say it's wrong is in itself wrong. If Christianity is true...then there is only one God...and salvation comes only through Him...and religions that deny this are not merely alternate
forms of spiritual expression...but systems of belief that prevent their adherents from obtaining salvation. If Christ is, in fact, the only way to God...then to claim that he's not is both false and dangerous. If someone can only have salvation by accepting Christ as their Savior...telling them they don't need to accept Christ is even more wrong...no matter how tolerant or well-meaning it may seem to be.First of all...would a religion that taught that everyone goes to heaven be a good religion? We would all like to think that we and our loved ones will go to heaven...yet if everyone automatically goes to heaven [this includes evil people as well as good people]...should an unrepentant killer go to heaven? Should someone who enjoys torturing people...or who molests children and feels no guilt...go to heaven? If not...then there are cases when it's morally right for people to be excluded from heaven.
Christianity does NOT teach that only Christians deserve to go to heaven...rather; it teaches that no one deserves to go to heaven... because we have all sinned during our lives (Rom 3:23). We can gain admittance to heaven by repenting of our sins...accepting Jesus Christ's death as payment for our sins...and following and worshipping Him as Saviour and Lord [God]. The principle is that Jesus is the ONLY way to God...not any particular church or denomination (Jn 6:40). Thus...salvation is accessible to everyone...and is intended by God for everyone: "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth" [Isaiah 45:22]..."I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone...This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a saving knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men" [1 Timothy 2:1, 3-6].
Indeed...there will be people "from every nation...tribe...and tongue" who will be saved [Revelations 7:9]. Thus, far from being exclusive...Christianity is inclusive. Anyone who chooses to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is a Christian...and has equal standing with ALL other Christians before God: "You are ALL sons of God through FAITH in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" [Galatians 3:26-28].
Marchello [/B]
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yur WRONG bro.
christianity teaches that the word of god is INFALLIBLE -- but not everyone who calls themselves a christian is one...
I've been a CHRISTIAN ALL OF MY LIFE, but if I DONT BELEIF IN CHRIST SACRIFICE, AND If I DONT LOVINGLY FOLLOW HIS WORd, then im not considered A CHRISTIAN.
according to the bible those who follow the LAW as referenced within the bible..do not become CHRISTIANS unless they believe in Jesus's sacrifice, and those who have never heard of the LAW...become christians ONLY by lovingly following it within their lives.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]SIN NEVER TASTED SO GOOD ! droolio [/B]
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What poor logic.
If you beleif it tastes SOO GOOD hurting others, then i GUESS you also BELEIF that sin is good when people hurt YOU, STEAL FROM YOU, BEAT YOU and treating you bad all the time is GOOD right BRO?
You must be a glutton for PUNISHMENT. ur practically inviting OTHERS to come and HURT you.
So i guess my question to you is..when SHOULD I tell all teh MURDERERS, MOLESTERS, RAPISTS and others to come to UR HOUSE, and Do all the SINFUL THINGS THAT FEEL SOO GOOD to you? 😕
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
:What poor logic.
Oh brother 🙄
Are you so uptight, you can't see a joke when it's right there ?
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
:If you beleif it tastes SOO GOOD hurting others, then i GUESS you also BELEIF that sin is good when people hurt YOU, STEAL FROM YOU, BEAT YOU and treating you bad all the time is GOOD right BRO?
I never delight in hurting others...thats number 1
Sin is just a word to me. Nothing more.
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
:You must be a glutton for PUNISHMENT. ur practically inviting OTHERS to come and HURT you.
I'm into S&M so yes, I LOVE PUNISHMENT droolio. It's KINKY
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
😖o i guess my question to you is..when SHOULD I tell all teh MURDERERS, MOLESTERS, RAPISTS and others to come to UR HOUSE, and Do all the SINFUL THINGS THAT FEEL SOO GOOD to you? 😕
OH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS drooliodrooliodrooliodroolio
droolio
ITS KINKY !
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
❌yur [b]WRONG
bro.christianity teaches that the word of god is INFALLIBLE -- but not everyone who calls themselves a christian is one...
I've been a CHRISTIAN ALL OF MY LIFE, but if I DONT BELEIF IN CHRIST SACRIFICE, AND If I DONT LOVINGLY FOLLOW HIS WORd, then im not considered A CHRISTIAN.
according to the bible those who follow the LAW as referenced within the bible..do not become CHRISTIANS unless they believe in Jesus's sacrifice, and those who have never heard of the LAW...become christians ONLY by lovingly following it within their lives. [/B]
Wow questioning marchello's knowledege of Christianity you've got balls!
Originally posted by YO_IMURBRO
❌yur [b]WRONG
bro.christianity teaches that the word of god is INFALLIBLE -- but not everyone who calls themselves a christian is one...
I've been a CHRISTIAN ALL OF MY LIFE, but if I DONT BELEIF IN CHRIST SACRIFICE, AND If I DONT LOVINGLY FOLLOW HIS WORd, then im not considered A CHRISTIAN.
according to the bible those who follow the LAW as referenced within the bible..do not become CHRISTIANS unless they believe in Jesus's sacrifice, and those who have never heard of the LAW...become christians ONLY by lovingly following it within their lives. [/B]
Yo dude, seriously...you better watch it ! Marcello is gonna EAT YOUR FACE OFF ! 😆
Trust me, you don't know what you're getting yourself into. He's a BEAST !
Anyways, why do I get the feeling your a sock of Usagi Yojimbo ?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
umm . . .did you just say that "Christianity doesn't say only Christians go to heaven" and then explain how only Christians go to heaven?
***No...that is NOT what I just said...that is what YOU just said. What I just said was: "Christianity does NOT teach that only Christians DESERVE to go to heaven...rather it teaches that NO ONE deserves to go to heaven"...for it is written: "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" [Romans 3:23]. The ONLY reason that Christians go to heaven is that they have ACCEPTED and TRUSTED in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour...who died on the cross as their SUBSTITUTE and took upon Himself THEIR penalty for their sins. God declares them RIGHTEOUS because of His Son's sacrifice. ALL [including YOU] who have NOT accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord...have NO redeeming sacrifice...NO saviour...and their sins REMAIN...and for that you ALL will PERISH in eternal HELL..."the DEATH."
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
***No...that is NOT what I just said...that is what YOU just said. What I just said was: "Christianity does NOT teach that only Christians DESERVE to go to heaven...rather it teaches that NO ONE deserves to go to heaven"...for it is written: "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" [Romans 3:23]. The ONLY reason that Christians go to heaven is that they have ACCEPTED and TRUSTED in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour...who died on the cross as their SUBSTITUTE and took upon Himself THEIR penalty for their sins. God declares them RIGHTEOUS because of His Son's sacrifice. ALL [including YOU] who have NOT accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord...have NO redeeming sacrifice...NO saviour...and their sins REMAIN...and for that you ALL will PERISH in eternal HELL..."the DEATH."Marchello
But the people you describe going to heaven would all be Christians