Satan - The Prince of Darkness

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Simple minds come to simple conclusions.
Good one bud 🙄
Originally posted by Regret
If evil is not doing what God would want us to and being contrary to God's will, which is the Christian definition of evil, and Satan does not do anything in line with God's will, he is the de facto "incarnation of pure evil" as far as Christian theology goes.
Most definatley, and that belief is definatley dependant on one's religion.

And it also comes down to whether or not people believe what mortal men wrote in the bible, to be true.

Faith plays the biggest role on that side of the debate.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Good one bud 🙄 ...

Did I over simplify that? 😂

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did I over simplify that? 😂
Yet another great display of your so obvious intelligence. 🙄

I didn't reply to this thread for you to go on an ego trip which will inevitably cause massive amounts of spam.

I just stated my opinion. I respected yours, and I would hope for the same respect in return.

-Thanks.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Yet another great display of your so obvious intelligence. 🙄

I didn't reply to this thread for you to go on an ego trip which will inevitably cause massive amounts of spam.

I just stated my opinion. I respected yours, and I would hope for the same respect in return.

-Thanks.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but ok. 😄

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Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

I guess my main point was that it seems rediculous that simply because Satan rebelled against God, and defied his word, we as humans mainly look at Satan as the incarnation of pure evil.

I agree....he must have rebelled for a reason I imagine....

I rebel too against an imaginary God who drowns the planet, sends people to eternal hellfire, etc.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree....he must have rebelled for a reason I imagine....

I rebel too against an imaginary God who drowns the planet, sends people to eternal hellfire, etc.


Not eternal... tsk, tsk.

Don't bother. He's incapable of learning.

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Originally posted by Fatima
Hey again Marchello ..Well thanx I did my best in the exams ..

What do u mean by human born a sinner ?If god will forgive all sins then why put rules to follow like not to steal or kill ..do u think that will encourge people to live freely and break these rules becuase that they Guarantee going to heaven ..
Do u have atext in bible that said that jesus is the creator or god(except th sun of god)?

Thanks

***Hello Fatima!!!...welcome back. I'm glad that your exams are over for awhile...and I have no doubt that you did just fine on them...for you are a very smart Lady.

In looking over your post [above], I see THREE separate questions...and I will address all three separately...but not in the order that you have listed them...if you don't mind.

I will print out the question before I answer them...for it will make things easier and/or orderly:

(I)Fatima asked: "...Do u have atext in bible that said that Jesus is the creator or god (except the sun of god)?"

***Marchello answers: Yes, I do, Fatima...I will list them below by verse and will print out a few so that it will give you a flavor of what they are saying.

[1]Jesus Christ is the CREATOR according to the following verses:
(a)"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. The SAME was in the BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM: and WITHOUT HIM was NOT any thing MADE that was MADE" [John 1:1-3]. The WORD of GOD is Jesus Christ and is found in [John 1:1, 14;! John 1:1;5:7;Revelations 19:13].
(b)"For by Him were all things CREATED, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in EARTH, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether they be THRONES, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: ALL THINGS were CREATED BY HIM, and FOR HIM" [Coloassians 1:16-17].
(c)"GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE in time PAST unto the fathers by the PROPHETS, hath in these LAST days SPOKEN unto us BY His SON, whom He hath APPOINTED HEIR of ALL THINGS, BY WHOM also He MADE THE WORLDS;..." [Hebrews 1:1-2]...and again, "And, Thou, LORD, in the BEGINNING hast LAID THE FOUNDATION of the EARTH; and the HEAVENS are the WORKS of THINE HANDS" [Hebrews 1:10].

[2]Jesus Christ is GOD according to the following verses:
(a)"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a SON, and they shall call His name, IMMANUEL, which translated means, 'GOD WITH US'" [Matthew 1:23].
(b)He [Jesus]..."...was calling God His OWN Father, making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD" [John 5:18].
(c)"The Jews answered Him [Jesus], 'For a GOOD WORK we do not stone you, but for BLASPHEMY; and because YOU, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE GOD'" [John 10:33].
(d)"For in HIM dwelleth ALL THE FULNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY" [Colassians 2:9].
(e)God was manifest in the FLESH [1 Timothy 3:16].
(f)"But of the SON He says, 'Thy THRONE, O GOD, is FOREVER And EVER...'" [Hebrews 1:8].
(g)"...You call me teacher and LORD [God], and you are right, for so I AM" [John 13:13].
(h)"In the BEGINNING was the WORD [Jesus], and the WORD was WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD" [John 1:1].
(i)"Thomas answered and said to Him [Jesus], 'My LORD and my GOD'" [John 20:28].
(j)"...the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD and SAVIOUR, Jesus Christ;..." [Titus 2:13].
(k)"...our LORD Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time--He [Jesus] who is the BLESSED [God] and ONLY Sovereign, the KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS;.." [1 Timothy 6:15].
(l)"And now, GLORIFY thou ME TOGETHER with THYSELF, Father, with the GLORY which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS" [John 17:5].
(m)"Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it NOT ROBBERY to be EQUAL WITH GOD" [Philippians 2:6].
(n)"God...in these last days has spoken to us IN HIS SON...And He is the RADIANCE of His glory and the EXACT IMAGE of His NATURE...LIKE FATHER...LIKE SON" [Hebrews 1:2,3].
(o)Simon Peter "...by the RIGHTEOUSNESS of OUR GOD and SAVIOUR Jesus Christ" [2 Peter 1:1].
(p)"...And on HIS [Jesus] robe and on His thigh He [Jesus] has a NAME written, 'KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" [Revelation 19:16].

(Continued)

Originally posted by FeceMan
Don't bother. He's incapable of learning.

Very similar to you. 😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
Don't bother. He's incapable of learning.

I am very proficient in the study of mythologies, thank you very much 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Very similar to you. 😉

An erroneous statement at best; pure ignorance at worst.
Originally posted by Alliance

Being a tool is degrading.

Originally posted by FeceMan
An erroneous statement at best; pure ignorance at worst.

Being a tool is degrading.

You missed my point at best; pure arrogance at worst.

I give up.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I give up.

You should keep trying.

Don't you see how we are all the same? We have ideas, but we pay a cost for these ideas. The cost is blindness to other ideas. Christians can be very blind to ideas that conflict with ideas in the bible. For example, Galileo reported that Jupiter had moons. The leading members of the Christian church rejected his claim, and when he showed then through his telescope, they refused to see the moons and said it was his telescope that was tricking them.

Originally posted by FeceMan
An erroneous statement at best; pure ignorance at worst.

Being a tool is degrading.

I love how you claim to be "holier than thou" but then continue your notorious habit of insulting people. You can't just be the bigger man, can you ? 😬

Why would anyone trust you know the truth when you act this way towards people who disagree ?

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Originally posted by Marchello
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***Hello Fatima!!!...welcome back. I'm glad that your exams are over for awhile...and I have no doubt that you did just fine on them...for you are a very smart Lady.

In looking over your post [above], I see THREE separate questions...and I will address all three separately...but not in the order that you have listed them...if you don't mind.

I will print out the question before I answer them...for it will make things easier and/or orderly:

(I)Fatima asked: "...Do u have atext in bible that said that Jesus is the creator or god (except the sun of god)?"

***Marchello answers: Yes, I do, Fatima...I will list them below by verse and will print out a few so that it will give you a flavor of what they are saying.

[1]Jesus Christ is the CREATOR according to the following verses:
(a)"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. The SAME was in the BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM: and WITHOUT HIM was NOT any thing MADE that was MADE" [John 1:1-3]. The WORD of GOD is Jesus Christ and is found in [John 1:1, 14;! John 1:1;5:7;Revelations 19:13].
(b)"For by Him were all things CREATED, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in EARTH, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether they be THRONES, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: ALL THINGS were CREATED BY HIM, and FOR HIM" [Coloassians 1:16-17].
(c)"GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE in time PAST unto the fathers by the PROPHETS, hath in these LAST days SPOKEN unto us BY His SON, whom He hath APPOINTED HEIR of ALL THINGS, BY WHOM also He MADE THE WORLDS;..." [Hebrews 1:1-2]...and again, "And, Thou, LORD, in the BEGINNING hast LAID THE FOUNDATION of the EARTH; and the HEAVENS are the WORKS of THINE HANDS" [Hebrews 1:10].

[2]Jesus Christ is GOD according to the following verses:
(a)"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a SON, and they shall call His name, IMMANUEL, which translated means, 'GOD WITH US'" [Matthew 1:23].
(b)He [Jesus]..."...was calling God His OWN Father, making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD" [John 5:18].
(c)"The Jews answered Him [Jesus], 'For a GOOD WORK we do not stone you, but for BLASPHEMY; and because YOU, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE GOD'" [John 10:33].
(d)"For in HIM dwelleth ALL THE FULNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY" [Colassians 2:9].
(e)God was manifest in the FLESH [1 Timothy 3:16].
(f)"But of the SON He says, 'Thy THRONE, O GOD, is FOREVER And EVER...'" [Hebrews 1:8].
(g)"...You call me teacher and LORD [God], and you are right, for so I AM" [John 13:13].
(h)"In the BEGINNING was the WORD [Jesus], and the WORD was WITH GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD" [John 1:1].
(i)"Thomas answered and said to Him [Jesus], 'My LORD and my GOD'" [John 20:28].
(j)"...the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD and SAVIOUR, Jesus Christ;..." [Titus 2:13].
(k)"...our LORD Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time--He [Jesus] who is the BLESSED [God] and ONLY Sovereign, the KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS;.." [1 Timothy 6:15].
(l)"And now, GLORIFY thou ME TOGETHER with THYSELF, Father, with the GLORY which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS" [John 17:5].
(m)"Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it NOT ROBBERY to be EQUAL WITH GOD" [Philippians 2:6].
(n)"God...in these last days has spoken to us IN HIS SON...And He is the RADIANCE of His glory and the EXACT IMAGE of His NATURE...LIKE FATHER...LIKE SON" [Hebrews 1:2,3].
(o)Simon Peter "...by the RIGHTEOUSNESS of OUR GOD and SAVIOUR Jesus Christ" [2 Peter 1:1].
(p)"...And on HIS [Jesus] robe and on His thigh He [Jesus] has a NAME written, 'KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" [Revelation 19:16].

(Continued)

(2)Fatima asked:"What do u mean by human born a sinner?..."

***In the Book of Genesis we are told the following: "And God said, Let US make man in OUR IMAGE, after OUR likeness:..And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, IT WAS VERY GOOD. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH DAY" [Genesis 1:26, 31]. So then...when God created man He created man PERFECT [i.e., indicating that man was created in a NATURAL and MORAL likeness to God]. When God created man...we are told, "And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the GROUND, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH of LIIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL (i.e., a living person)" [Genesis 2:7].

God then "...planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed" [Genesis 2:8]. In this garden, Adam could "eat anything for it was pleasant to the sight and good for food...the Tree of Life also was in the middle of the garden...and so was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" [Genesis 2:9]. God told Adam that he eat freely of any tree "But of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, thou shalt NOT EAT OF IT: for IN THE DAY that thou EATEST thereof THOU SHALT SURELY DIE' [Genesis 2:17].

"Now the SERPENT was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the LORD God had made...and he [Satan] said to the woman [Eve], 'Can it REALLY be said that God has said, you shall not eat from EVERY tree of the garden?'" [Genesis 3:1]. By saying this...Satan put DOUBT in mother Eve's mind. What Satan did was to SUBTLY imply that the LORD God DIDN'T REALLY MEAN what He said...that it was really o.k. to eat of thr Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil because they "...WOULD NOT SURELY DIE" [Genesis 3:4]...and "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as GODS, knowing GOOD and EVIL" [Genesis 3:5]. ..SATAN LIED TO EVE..."and when the woman [Eve]
saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be DESIRED to make one WISE, she took of the fruit thereof, and did EAT, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he [Adam] did EAT" [Genesis 3:6]...and they SINNED & FELL [i.e.,they LOST their MORAL LIKENESS, which was their SINLESSNESS...but the NATURAL likeness of intellect, emotions, and WILL they still retained (Genesis 9:6;James 3:9)]...in a word---they became SINNERS by their DISOBEDIENCE and DIED SPIRITUALLY IMMEDIATELY [Genesis 2:17]...and ULTIMATELY they would die PHYSICALLY and return to the DUST from whence they came [Genesis 3:19;Romans 6:23].

Too, the LORD God had to EXPEL them from the Garden for "...the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and LIVE FOR EVER'" [Genesis 3:22].

I went through this whole litany to explain WHY we are BORN SINNERS...we are born SINNERS because our parents were born sinners before us...and it goes all the way back to our Grand-parents Adam & Eve...who passed their FALLEN NATURE down to us. We SIN because it is NATURAL for us to SIN...it is our NATURE.

King David sums this truth up and said the following: "Behold, I was SHAPEN in INIQUITY, and IN SIN did my mother CONCEIVE me" [Psalm 51:5].

(Continued)

There was once upon a time an old goat who had seven little kids, and
loved them with all the love of a mother for her children. One day
she wanted to go into the forest and fetch some food. So she called
all seven to her and said, dear children, I have to go into the
forest, be on your guard against the wolf, if he comes in, he will
devour you all - skin, hair, and everything. The wretch often
disguises himself, but you will know him at once by his rough voice
and his black feet. The kids said, dear mother, we will take good
care of ourselves, you may go away without any anxiety. Then the old
one bleated, and went on her way with an easy mind.

It was not long before some one knocked at the house-door and called,
open the door, dear children, your mother is here, and has brought
something back with her for each of you. But the little kids knew
that it was the wolf, by the rough voice. We will not open the door,
cried they, you are not our mother. She has a soft, pleasant voice,
but your voice is rough, you are the wolf. Then the wolf went away
to a shopkeeper and bought himself a great lump of chalk, ate this
and made his voice soft with it. The he came back, knocked at the
door of the house, and called, open the door, dear children, your
mother is here and has brought something back with her for each of
you. But the wolf had laid his black paws against the window, and
the children saw them and cried, we will not open the door, our
mother has not black feet like you, you are the wolf. Then the wolf
ran to a baker and said, I have hurt my feet, rub some dough over
them for me. And when the baker had rubbed his feet over, he ran to
the miller and said, strew some white meal over my feet for me. The
miller thought to himself, the wolf wants to deceive someone, and
refused, but the wolf said, if you will not do it, I will devour you.
Then the miller was afraid, and made his paws white for him. Truly,
this the way of mankind.

So now the wretch went for the third time to the house-door, knocked
at it and said, open the door for me, children, your dear little
mother has come home, and has brought every one of you something back
from the forest with her. The little kids cried, first show us your
paws that we may know if you are our dear little mother. Then he put
his paws in through the window, and when the kids saw that they were
white, they believed that all he said was true, and opened the door.
But who should come in but the wolf they were terrified and wanted to
hide themselves. One sprang under the table, the second into the
bed, the third into the stove, the fourth into the kitchen, the fifth
into the cupboard, the sixth under the washing-bowl, and the seventh
into the clock-case. But the wolf found them all, and used no great
ceremony, one after the other he swallowed them down his throat. The
youngest, who was in the clock-case, was the only one he did not
find. When the wolf had satisfied his appetite he took himself off,
laid himself down under a tree in the green meadow outside, and began
to sleep. Soon afterwards the old goat came home again from the
forest. Ah. What a sight she saw there. The house-door stood wide
open. The table, chairs, and benches were thrown down, the
washing-bowl lay broken to pieces, and the quilts and pillows were
pulled off the bed. She sought her children, but they were nowhere
to be found. She called them one after another by name, but no one
answered. At last, when she caame to the youngest, a soft voice
cried, dear mother, I am in the clock-case. She took the kid out,
and it told her that the wolf had come and had eaten all the others.
Then you may imagine how she wept over her poor children.

At length in her grief she went out, and the youngest kid ran with
her. When they came to the meadow, there lay the wolf by the tree
and snored so loud that the branches shook. She looked at him on
every side and saw that something was moving and struggling in his
gorged belly. Ah, heavens, she said, is it possible that my poor
children whom he has swallowed down for his supper, can be still
alive. Then the kid had to run home and fetch scissors, and a needle
and thread and the goat cut open the monster's stomach, and hardly
had she make one cut, than one little kid thrust its head out, and
when she cut farther, all six sprang out one after another, and were
all still alive, and had suffered no injury whatever, for in his
greediness the monster had swallowed them down whole. What rejoicing
there was. They embraced their dear mother, and jumped like a sailor
at his wedding. The mother, however, said, now go and look for some
big stones, and we will fill the wicked beast's stomach with them
while he is still asleep. Then the seven kids dragged the stones
thither with all speed, and put as many of them into his stomach as
they could get in, and the mother sewed him up again in the greatest
haste, so that he was not aware of anything and never once stirred.

When the wolf at length had had his fill of sleep, he got on his
legs, and as the stones in his stomach made him very thirsty, he
wanted to go to a well to drink. But when he began to walk and move
about, the stones in his stomach knocked against each other and
rattled. Then cried he, what rumbles and tumbles against my poor
bones. I thought 'twas six kids, but it feels like big stones. And
when he got to the well and stooped over the water to drink, the
heavy stones made him fall in, and he had to drown miserably. When
the seven kids saw that, they came running to the spot and cried
aloud, the wolf is dead. The wolf is dead, and danced for joy round
about the well with their mother.

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oooooooooo its story time, first Marchello and now Capt_Fantastic.