Satan - The Prince of Darkness

Started by Impediment52 pages
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
I was looking at that "church of satan site," and noticed that you have to pay $200 bucks for a membership... Apparently you have to pay your way into hell as well. Kind of like selling anti-indulgences. You get an awesome membership card for that $200 though... 🙄

Even Satan has his foot in Organized Religion these days, huh? Anton LaVey is to blame for that. IMO, he was just in it for the shock value, the notoriety, and the money. If he wanted to be a real visionary and a spiritual leader, he would have just continued his lessons in print form. Or not have charged an admission fee.

Originally posted by JacopeX
260,000,000 were murdered over the last century alone under dictatorship that were hostile to any form of Religion. Thats almost as much as the American population.

Karl Marx has started such terrible massacre and killed millions of my ancestors and I think he is a such a fool. The deaths saddens me to this day. I am a Catholic and I know that my religion dosent kill today and I bet you they never will. I have no answer why they killed back then during their crusades.

That's a big number you have there, and I'm not quite sure where you got it. And it's nice of you to blame Karl Marx, a man who had no responsibility for the atrocities committed by those who warped his theories. Theoretically I can blame Jesus yes for the Crusades and Inquisition and the actions of Christian colonialism (you know, Africa, North America, South America etc.)

But anyway - religion from the beginning of time? There are the various things Christians have done. Then there are the Muslim actions (the events in the India region that may have cost the lives of 10 million up to 100 million people) and so on. Oh, and if you actually believe the Bible the Christians and Jews are a party to murder on a mass scale. What with the children of Egypt and the world that got drowned.

Religion is about as far from purity as a person can get in history.

The bible doesn't allow it, so they were NOT real christians, the bible is the word of god so there you go.

Silly, silly boy. Girl. Whatever. First there is advocacy of violence on a massive scale in the Bible.

Second the only thing a person needs to be in order to qualify as Christian is a believer that Jesus is the Christ. Everything else is irrelevant. Got Jesus? Your Christian. Christians have killed. You argument? Kaput.

It still shows that you have killed and murdered the most. I wouldnt really say Baron d'Holbach of starting it but if you say so.

Oh really?

And catholics, many other religions, and also races.....

So basically.... everyone who was a political risk to them? By Jove! Political groups, religious groups, and everything in between. Yes, that damns Atheists for sure (you do realise there were plenty of Nazis who still had faith don't you? And that religion was still a big part of Nazi doctrine yes?)

Satan promotes violence and all that is evil...you worship him, you basically worship murder, deciet, anger, hate, terrorism, the works...sounds radical, but its true because its all pure evil.

But I dont hate anyone, not even satan. But I disagree with satanisim.

Ummm - idiot? You do realise that not believing in God doesn't actually mean one believes in the Devil? Not believing in God means we also don't believe in the Devil. Or anything else of the kind for that matter. We believe, get this, in humanity! In the fact we are responsible for our own actions. That people are good or evil, not some divine scape goat.

Down with that? It shows the fundamental ignorance of your mind set to operate under the view "Don't have God.... they worship Satan!" Idiocy to the highest degree. But if I did believe in Satan it would be like lil' b said - Satan seems to be far more a symbol of open mindedness and progress then "Don't ask questions, just believe" God.

Oh, and another thing that people forget - there is a difference between Satanists and "Devil Worshippers" - a profound difference in outlook.

All i've seen you guys do is repeat yourself over and over again

Chaos(or unrestrained or uninhibited" by LAW/rules) leads to death, destruction and misery to all.

It means that you shouldn't put others before yourself, cause you don't have to, meaning you could kill anyone you want because your the only person who matters to yourself.

If everybody was christian, there would be no war, and there would be less destruction or misery.
But people would still fall out over pathetic reasons if everyone wasn't christian, (Suspicion turns into meaningless war *cough* Blair *cough*)

so its everyone BUT christianitys fault for wars.

What do they put in the water over there... stupid pills or something?

First of all - zero statistical data that atheism leads to amorality, lawlessness or the predisposition to nihilistic anarchy. In fact the opposite. Atheists are just as capable of charitable action.

Second - Christianity has never been able to keep its own house in order. As all those brutally punished "heretics" will attest.

Third - Atheism does not lead to "putting oneself first"

Fourth - Your argument is crap and based upon zero statistical, sociological, psychological or anthropological data. Can you say... baseless?


It wasn't a christian who sent troops over to attack iraq you know.

Um... so Bush is an Atheist is he? The Republicans are Atheists are they?

I Exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]

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Pete Sanchez Jr.

For Thou, O Lord [Jesus Christ], art high above all the earth
Thou art exalted far above all gods
For Thou, O Lord [Jesus Christ], art high above all the earth
Thou [Jesus Christ] art exalted far above all gods

I exalt Thee, I exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, O Lord [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, I exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, O Lord [Jesus Christ]

Satan represents exactly what I wrote.

What you have done to Satan is to make him appear as good; you dressed him up in nice words.

Perception. Interpretation. As I said above there is a profound and fundamental difference between a Satanist and the stereotypical "devil worshipper."

In the case of the latter you definition is justified as they worship the Christianised image of the devil. They get their kick out of the whole "evil" concept and take Satan as the whole hellfire and torture image put forward by the Catholic Church. Satanists are different again and rarely accept that image of Satan. Impediment listing of the values they hold is correct, similar to lil Bitchiness' mention of how Satan seems to represent free will far more.

The two are not the same - what you wrote is one view, Satanists hold another (this isn't even getting into the groups who think Satan is actually a messiah like figure and Jesus the two faced source of evil.)

1. I've heard of loadsa murders or rapes on the news by people who are atheist. There have been alot of murders by extremist muslims, but that's because there book says they have to.

First of - crappy lier. News sections don't say "today murder was committed by an Atheist" unless that murder was the by product of Atheistic belief. And if I'm not mistaken there was a case not long ago about a Christian couple who had kept their daughter locked up... and another about a pair who had boiled their babies to death... and...

2. And christians SHOULD be stereotyped by their book, because the book their religion is actually based on, the god they actually believe in, says they shouldn't kill or rape etc.

But stone people and keep slaves and... oh wait, the contradiction between old t and new t. And funny how Christians have fought and continue to fight. Clearly your book isn't as clear as you'd like.

3. Obviously in the name of god because atheists haven't lasted long enough.

Makes no sense.

And about G. Dubya, christians don't judge, it also says don't kill.

Definition - A Christian is any person who believes Jesus is the Christ. Bush believes that, he sent people to war. Christians can be soldiers of police or judges or anything else. Get over you rose tinted view of the world, it is so fantastical is isn't funny.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]I Exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]

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Pete Sanchez Jr.

For Thou, O Lord [Jesus Christ], art high above all the earth
Thou art exalted far above all gods
For Thou, O Lord [Jesus Christ], art high above all the earth
Thou [Jesus Christ] art exalted far above all gods

I exalt Thee, I exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, O Lord [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, I exalt Thee [Jesus Christ]
I exalt Thee, O Lord [Jesus Christ] [/B]

I smote thee!

Satan's in Hell for a very good reason

According to the bible satans NOT in hell.

Originally posted by Impediment
Prove it.

Nuurh, prove your beliefs.

By your Christian standards, of course. Satan is portrayed as a deceiver/liar/monster/etc in the Holy Bible, yet all he did to get cast out of Heaven was to think for himself and show interest in something than "Almighty God".

He desired to usurp Yahweh's position.
Originally posted by Alliance
Honestly, sometimes you are just as aggravating and mistaken.

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Nuurh, prove your beliefs.
Impediment is an atheist, he has no beliefs.
Originally posted by FeceMan
He desired to usurp Yahweh's position.
Prove it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Impediment is an atheist, he has no beliefs.

Aside from that God does not exist. I was talking about what he said about Satan.

Prove it.

[Biblical text.]

Oh, wait, that doesn't count, does it?

YOU WILL ALL BOW DOWN TO YOUR LORD AND MASTER SATAN !

THE WAR APPROACHES ! ARMAGGEDON COMES SOON !

YOU MUST CHOOSE A SIDE !

SATAN PROMISES YOU 72 VIRGINS AND AN ETERNITY OF ORGASMIC BLISSSSS droolio !!!!!!!!

GOD PROMISES YOU NOTHING ! ONCE YOU ARE FINISHED FIGHTING FOR HIM, HE WILL SEND YOU TO HELL FOR SLAUGHTERING YOUR BRETHREN ! WHAT'S THE POINT ?

HEAVEN IS OVER RATED ANY WAY....IT'S LIKE AN ETERNAL LIBRARY.....

CHOOSE THE DARK LORD AND INHERIT A WASTELAND OF FLAMES AND MISERY !

FULFILL ALL SADISTIC DESIRES !

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]YOU WILL ALL BOW DOWN TO YOUR LORD AND MASTER SATAN !

THE WAR APPROACHES ! ARMAGGEDON COMES SOON !

YOU MUST CHOOSE A SIDE !

SATAN PROMISES YOU 72 VIRGINS AND AN ETERNITY OF ORGASMIC BLISSSSS droolio !!!!!!!!

GOD PROMISES YOU NOTHING ! ONCE YOU ARE FINISHED FIGHTING FOR HIM, HE WILL SEND YOU TO HELL FOR SLAUGHTERING YOUR BRETHREN ! WHAT'S THE POINT ?

HEAVEN IS OVER RATED ANY WAY....IT'S LIKE AN ETERNAL LIBRARY.....

CHOOSE THE DARK LORD AND INHERIT A WASTELAND OF FLAMES AND MISERY !

FULFILL ALL SADISTIC DESIRES ! [/B]

You forgot all the heavy metal you can handle. 🤘

Originally posted by FeceMan
He desired to usurp Yahweh's position.

And... that alone makes him evil? I always questioned that as justification for his evil standard.

To be honest I think humanity doesn't deserve to be under his yoke and should have the chance to face God as an equal and usurp him if we wish. After all - made in his image which should have the same potential.

Really, reminds me of those dictators who demonise people who try to resist them. Reminds me of how Napoleon dealt with Snowball in Animal Farm. And what the Egyptians did to Seth towards the end of the New Kingdom (Seth having once only represented strength, later coming to represent evil. Which is rather unfair.)

Aside from that God does not exist. I was talking about what he said about Satan.

Interpretation once again. After all the Bible is also the place that people find the reason to believe that people are fundamentally bad.

Well, let's just put it like this shall we? Not all atheists are good people either, i know many of them who are cruel to people for absolutly no reason, ok, some of them aren't, but i know very few mean christians.

Christians:
God says no killing
Government says no killing
(according to you) self says no killing

Atheists:
Government says no killing
self says no killing

Christians have more barriers. If you make a promise to three people, especially if you actually have "your own morales which you just seem to know", breaking it for all 3 is worse than breaking a promise to only 2 people.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Impediment is an atheist, he has no beliefs.

I thought he believes a god doesn't exist 😖 😕

Originally posted by Emo?
Well, let's just put it like this shall we? Not all atheists are good people either, i know many of them who are cruel to people for absolutly no reason, ok, some of them aren't, but i know very few mean christians.
Ha, if by cruel for no reason you mean having a luagh eith a bunch of friends then you are right. You say you know very few cruel christians, I'd like to hear your definition of cruel. If you mean "Not what the Bible says you should do," IE against the 10 commandments, then your statement is comepletly invalid.

Originally posted by Emo?
Christians:
God says no killing
Government says no killing
(according to you) self says no killing

Atheists:
Government says no killing
self says no killing

Christians have more barriers. If you make a promise to three people, especially if you actually have "your own morales which you just seem to know", breaking it for all 3 is worse than breaking a promise to only 2 people.

This is not only bollocks, but retarded.

Christians: I'm afraid to think for myself, so I'll do what the Bible says whether other people disagree or not. So I won't kill this person.

Atheists: I'm my own man, I do what I want, when I want, where I want, but seeing as most of society will disagree with me, and it's unfair to the other person, I choose not to kill this person.

Originally posted by Emo?
I thought he believes a god doesn't exist 😖 😕
That's the denial of a belief, it doesn't count. Because other-wise you could say everyone is religious because they don't believe in magic, faries or goblins.

I say, if you're gonna buy the God/devil/angel/demon package, then you might as well believe in goblins, leprechauns, unicorns, satyrs, dragons, fairies, etc.

Originally posted by Impediment
I say, if you're gonna buy the God/devil/angel/demon package, then you might as well believe in goblins, leprechauns, unicorns, satyrs, dragons, fairies, etc.
That's what I say.

God = made up wizard

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And... that alone makes him evil? I always questioned that as justification for his evil standard.

Don't forget the delighting in destruction, chaos, ruin, death, and torment of others.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Don't forget the delighting in destruction, chaos, ruin, death, and torment of others.

That is very true ✅

But God is no better....

Destruction- the cities of sodom and gomorrha

Chaos- the Great Flood

Ruin- banishment of Adam and Eve, fall of mankind

Death- the plagues during the time of Moses

Torment of others- God created Hell for those who do not worship him

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]YOU WILL ALL BOW DOWN TO YOUR LORD AND MASTER SATAN !

THE WAR APPROACHES ! ARMAGGEDON COMES SOON !

YOU MUST CHOOSE A SIDE !

SATAN PROMISES YOU 72 VIRGINS AND AN ETERNITY OF ORGASMIC BLISSSSS droolio !!!!!!!!

GOD PROMISES YOU NOTHING ! ONCE YOU ARE FINISHED FIGHTING FOR HIM, HE WILL SEND YOU TO HELL FOR SLAUGHTERING YOUR BRETHREN ! WHAT'S THE POINT ?

HEAVEN IS OVER RATED ANY WAY....IT'S LIKE AN ETERNAL LIBRARY.....

CHOOSE THE DARK LORD AND INHERIT A WASTELAND OF FLAMES AND MISERY !

FULFILL ALL SADISTIC DESIRES ! [/B]

Just a curiosity......How old are you?