All i've seen you guys do is repeat yourself over and over again 😆
Chaos(or unrestrained or uninhibited" by LAW/rules) leads to death, destruction and misery to all.
It means that you shouldn't put others before yourself, cause you don't have to, meaning you could kill anyone you want because your the only person who matters to yourself.
If everybody was christian, there would be no war, and there would be less destruction or misery.
But people would still fall out over pathetic reasons if everyone wasn't christian, (Suspicion turns into meaningless war *cough* Blair *cough*)
so its everyone BUT christianitys fault for wars.
Originally posted by Impediment
Satan represents:[list]
[*]indulgence instead of abstinence.[*]vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
[*]undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
[*]kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
[*]vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
[*]responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
[*]man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
[*]all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
[/list]
I rest my case 🙂 you've proven my point.
SELF-physical gratification
SELF- mental gratification
SELF- emotional gratification
Where's the thinking about others in that? 😕
That has nothing to do with Atheism. The Satanist lives his life by these standards. IMO, there's nothing wrong with self-preservation and self-gratification. Just because an atheist doesnt worship a deity, or have an actual written code of rules/morals, doesnt mean we are anarchic, chaotic heathens. I know several Satanists who are some of the most caring and descent people I know.
Originally posted by Impediment
That has nothing to do with Atheism. The Satanist lives his life by these standards. IMO, there's nothing wrong with self-preservation and self-gratification. Just because an atheist doesnt worship a deity, or have an actual written code of rules/morals, doesnt mean we are anarchic, chaotic heathens. I know several Satanists who are some of the most caring and descent people I know.
Atheists are exactly the same, they just don't worship a deity.
There are christians i know, like myself, who don't go around murdering people because of there religion, so you can't say ALL religion kills more that atheism.
It wasn't a christian who sent troops over to attack iraq you know.
Originally posted by Emo?
Atheists are exactly the same, they just don't worship a deity.
"The same"? Care to elaborate, professor?
Originally posted by Emo?
There are christians i know, like myself, who don't go around murdering people because of there religion, so you can't say ALL religion kills more that atheism.
Name ONE instance of Atheism where someone got hurt and/or murdered. It's that kind of stereotyping that puts more problems on the table than solutions. More people have been murdered in the name of god than other cause in history.
Originally posted by Emo?
It wasn't a christian who sent troops over to attack iraq you know.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Einstein, but isn't G. Dubya a Christian?
Originally posted by Emo?
Atheists are exactly the same, they just don't worship a deity.There are christians i know, like myself, who don't go around murdering people because of there religion, so you can't say ALL religion kills more that atheism.
It wasn't a christian who sent troops over to attack iraq you know.
This is were your arguments break down.
Satanism and Atheism are totally different. One involves the worhsip of a god, has a church, a bible, historical religious figures who founded it, etc.
Atheism does not.
Also, we never said you killed people, but Chirstians have no problem killing people. If Christians are 75% of the population, they likely commit 75% of the crimes. However, I think its likey that the commit more than 75% of the crimes in the US, including homocides. Christians have no problem stealing, murdering, etc, and just saying "they're not true Chritsians" is not a valid arguement to combat that claim.
They are Christians because they both define themseleves as suchs and follow the main tenants of Christianity.
Originally posted by JacopeX
Satan promotes violence and all that is evil...you worship him, you basically worship murder, deciet, anger, hate, terrorism, the works...sounds radical, but its true because its all pure evil.But I dont hate anyone, not even satan. But I disagree with satanisim.
Originally posted by ImpedimentThose words are a lot better. Thanks Imp. 🙂
I wouldn't use the word "chaos", instead I'd use the word "unrestrained" or "uninhibited" by ancient rules of an imaginary deity. Freedom to live your life from dogmatic law.
To Emo?, you should go here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t425990.html
Oh, dear. It seems that people are mistaking me for JIA.
My avatar is the one with the glowy green demon. JIA's signature is the one with the deformed Chick panel.
What does Satan represent?
Gluttony; uninhibited self-indulgence; hedonism of the worst kind.
Pride; arrogance.
Deceit; half-truths; false beliefs guised as truth.
Selfishness; self-centered thoughts and actions.
Schadenfreude.
Bondage; slavery; addiction.
Temptation and accusation.
Destruction and ruin; pleasure turned to pain.
Originally posted by FeceMan
What does Satan represent?Gluttony; uninhibited self-indulgence; hedonism of the worst kind.
Pride; arrogance.
Deceit; half-truths; false beliefs guised as truth.
Selfishness; self-centered thoughts and actions.
Schadenfreude.
Bondage; slavery; addiction.
Temptation and accusation.
Destruction and ruin; pleasure turned to pain.
Bull. Those are the ideals of ignorant assholes who are a danger and burden to modern & intelligent society of the 21st century.
Again, Satan represents:
[list]
[*]indulgence instead of abstinence.
[*]vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
[*]undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
[*]kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
[*]vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
[*]responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
[*]man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
[*]all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
[/list]
These are the cannons by which the Satanist lives by. Anton Szandor LaVey, the founder and former high priest of the Church of Satan, was a "Hollywood Satanist", IMO. A lot of the things that he said, did, and published were for shock value, as well as trying to get his point across to Christianity, in general. I will admit that he had some very informed philosophical views and points, but a lot of it, in general, was kinda ritualistic and arcane. For example, his very own 11 Satanic Rules for the Church of Satan:
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
While some of these "rules" make good points, some are just a little to arcane sounding to me. LaVey lived under the influence that man, smart and evolved as he may be, is still just an animal in the animal kingdom.
Originally posted by Impediment
Bull. Those are the ideals of ignorant assholes who are a danger and burden to modern & intelligent society of the 21st century.Again, Satan represents:
[list]
[*]indulgence instead of abstinence.[*]vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
[*]undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
[*]kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
[*]vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
[*]responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
[*]man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
[*]all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
[/list]These are the cannons by which the Satanist lives by. Anton Szandor LaVey, the founder and former high priest of the Church of Satan, was a "Hollywood Satanist", IMO. A lot of the things that he said, did, and published were for shock value, as well as trying to get his point across to Christianity, in general. I will admit that he had some very informed philosophical views and points, but a lot of it, in general, was kinda ritualistic and arcane. For example, his very own 11 Satanic Rules for the Church of Satan:
[b]1.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
While some of these "rules" make good points, some are just a little to arcane sounding to me. LaVey lived under the influence that man, smart and evolved as he may be, is still just an animal in the animal kingdom. [/B]
What you have done to Satan is to make him appear as good; you dressed him up in nice words.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Impediment are you a Satanist? If so, is it because of that test you took?
No, I'm not a Satanist. I'm a very happy Atheist.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Satan represents exactly what I wrote.
Prove it.
Originally posted by FeceMan
What you have done to Satan is to make him appear as good; you dressed him up in nice words.
By your Christian standards, of course. Satan is portrayed as a deceiver/liar/monster/etc in the Holy Bible, yet all he did to get cast out of Heaven was to think for himself and show interest in something than "Almighty God".