What does America owe England?

Started by Robtard14 pages

Originally posted by Deano
because its turning into pathetic country vs country wars.

people on here are programmed into the 'proud to be british/american Programs etc'. its not real folks.

Yes, yes, the Babylonian Brotherhood concocted WWII to control us all... The sleeper has awakened...

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So then what sort of battle was the Battle of Britian? Was it just a bombing campaign, que no?

It was a tactic that had to be employed. While it was a waste of resources in regards to eventual occupation or submission, they couldn't just let one front of a two front war go unaddressed.

Bottom line was that Hitler's mistake was to turn on Russia too soon.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I wouldn't say they failed miserably in their invasion of Russia.

Yes and No Capt. Remenber the Germans did took the Russians by surprise and capture thousands of confused Soviet soldiers. In just the first days of the invasion.

Where's xmark when you need him with all the fancy pics.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes and No Capt. Remenber the Germans did took the Russians by surprise and capture thousands of confused Soviet soldiers. In just the first days of the invasion.

Yes, and the miserably part came later.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
The UK's Navy and Airforce was far more powerful than that of the German's. You have to remember that Germany hadn't had that long to equip themselves as the Treaty of Versailles left their millitary more than ravaged.

Actually Germany was re-arming years before Britain. Hitler saw to that, though we were superior in the sea and air their army was well equipped not ravaged.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
The UK's Navy and Airforce was far more powerful than that of the German's. You have to remember that Germany hadn't had that long to equip themselves as the Treaty of Versailles left their millitary more than ravaged.

Germany was a powerhouse in WWII... And Hitler had what? 6+ years to rebuild/rearm the military? To claim that the German Military was second rate in WWII is just B.S.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So then what sort of battle was the Battle of Britian? Was it just a bombing campaign, que no?

It wasn't just a big fight that one side ran away from at the end, like you would envisage by 'Battle'. And the true bombing campaign didn;t really start until after the Battle.

It was a generic attempt by the Germans to win air superiority over the UK. At the point they stopped, not only had it become clear that this was impractical, it was also clear that it wouldn't serve any purpose anyway; the Naval situtation was still impossible.

So they stopped trying.

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Robtard- very true that supplies were given, though the term 'owe' cannot be used for stuff that was actually paid for.

The Battle of the Atlantic was certainly the most important fight for the UK. The Battle of Britain gets the attention but the Atlantic lifeline was the real deal.

But that battle was won by the UK, and in facty in fighting it it was one of the areas that the UK got the least assistance, in badly needed Coastal Command air spotting planes, the combined use of which with destroyers is what finished the U-Boat menace.

I give America PLENTY of credit. It's all very well saying the UK could not be conquered, but nor could it conquer Germany, and nor would it have been much fun sitting next to Soviet occupied Europe. The UK owees the US a great deal.

But this is a situation where the US owes the UK also. It has to be the best example of mutual alliance and co-operation for mutual benefit against a clearly evil threat that there has eber been. It shouldn't really call for so much argument, but mutual admiration.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
The UK's Navy and Airforce was far more powerful than that of the German's. You have to remember that Germany hadn't had that long to equip themselves as the Treaty of Versailles left their millitary more than ravaged.

To be fair- Navy, yes, but the Germans had become a bit of a phenomenon with the airforce, especially in the early parts of the war in which we discuss. Before the BoB the Germans wiped the floor. The RAF learned the game during the BoB. But by the latter half of the war the Luftwaffe simply withered and died, even though bthe Germans were turning out amazing planes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Germany was a powerhouse in WWII... And Hitler had what? 6+ years to rebuild/rearm the military? To claim that the German Military was second rate in WWII is just B.S.

Yes, they did have 6+ years to rearm but soon as Britain caught wind of it they also started to increase their arms, they didn't do it at the same rate as the Germans but they had quite a head start. The American's did help supply the British, I can't deny that but at the same time that does not change the fact that the british air force and navy were superior.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
To be fair- Navy, yes, but the Germans had become a bit of a phenomenon with the airforce, especially in the early parts of the war in which we discuss. Before the BoB the Germans wiped the floor. The RAF learned the game during the BoB. But by the latter half of the war the Luftwaffe simply withered and died, even though bthe Germans were turning out amazing planes.

Indeed, precursors to many of the planes that were develpoed by both the US and UK in years to come.

Ya. It was self destruction that beat the Germans really.

Originally posted by Robtard
Germany was a powerhouse in WWII... And Hitler had what? 6+ years to rebuild/rearm the military? To claim that the German Military was second rate in WWII is just B.S.

Never really got over the oil problem though. The German army was mostly supplied by horse-drawn efforts.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
To be fair- Navy, yes, but the Germans had become a bit of a phenomenon with the airforce, especially in the early parts of the war in which we discuss. Before the BoB the Germans wiped the floor. The RAF learned the game during the BoB. But by the latter half of the war the Luftwaffe simply withered and died, even though bthe Germans were turning out amazing planes.

Germany had better numbers, Britain had better training.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
the US owes the UK also.

For what?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
For what?

Go back and read what I said on page 7.

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And Spoony- I think that was a myth. Luftwaffe pilots were very well trained.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Germany had better numbers, Britain had better training.

No. Britain had radar and effective commanders. Germany had veteran pilots, AND numbers.

They were all very well trained.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No. Britain had radar and effective commanders. Germany had veteran pilots, AND numbers.

And Britain still won.. srug

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Go back and read what I said on page 7.

For supplying us with bases? Ok, but that's a given because we were there to help you.