Kas'im versus Count Dooku

Started by Dessel17 pages
Dooku taught Obi-Wan Kenobi

ORLY?

Dooku himself recieved personal training (though not apprentice) from Yoda master of Ataru.

Source? And since when would this mean that Dooku would have to know, let alone master Ataru. Obi-Wan trained Anakin, does this mean h has to know and have mastered Form V.

As for Soresu, it's more than likely he knows this form. Dooku needs to learn the elements of Soresu (it's a common form)

Really?

and Cin Drallig know it,

Source?

Remember, I'm not even sure if there were more than one Lightsaber Instructors.

No, this is definite.

But if there were, then a chief instructor DEFINATELY needs to know all the forms because he is the head. The minors need to look off the head. Dooku can't be like "Oh Sora. I don't know Soresu so my friend you know it so you teach it." No, how then does he get the position of BM???

I'm not denying that the CLI would be superior to the regular LIs, but would that necessarily mean that he would have to know every form?

Originally posted by Escape81
It said that coupled with their programming and Dooku's training, as well as Grievous's own. He sparred with them, as we know. And, I believe the Visual Guide said that Dooku taught Grievous in all forms, and Labyrinth of Evil states it, too, I believe.

Where?

All I read was that Dooku trained Grievous in lightsaber combat, and that Grievous programmed all 7 forms into the MagnaGuards as well as personally training them to a degree.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
I'm out for Dooku here, but before that Can I sucesfully say Battlemasters know all forms? or do I have to still argue for that. I'm quite tired of it already and I given a lot of proof saying they do.

Proof? What proof? Where?

Show me a passage. Prove that it is canon.

Knowing sequences does not necessarily mean you mastered the form.

Kas'im describes mastery as being able to use the dark side to guide your attacks in any chosen form. The sequences are just a means to obtain this.

[b]Prove that Dooku or Drallig has this degree of mastery in the seven forms of dueling.

I mean why does Dooku automatically win? Because he was beat by teh Yoda? Because he knew teh Mackasi?!!!!1111oneoneone.
He can use teh ZOMG force lightning!!!

What people are assuming is that Dooku can ACTUALLY pull one of these techniques off against a man that defended against a blast of pure energy that tore apart the Rakatan temple. People assume that him beating a weaker Windu automatically puts him above Kas'im in dueling....

A lot of assumptions, no proof.

Obi-Wan did know Anakin's form... he knew everything about it. Dooku knew Ataru and all of its weaknesses. He was trained by Yoda, and then trained Qui-Gon.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
WRONG. Dooku taught Obi-Wan Kenobi and Dooku himself recieved personal training (though not apprentice) from Yoda, master of Ataru. As for Soresu, it's more than likely he knows this form. Dooku needs to learn the elements of Soresu (it's a common form) and Cin Drallig know it, so it's probably that Dooku does to.

Are you serious? Dooku didn't teach Obi his lightsaber form; Cin did. You said it yourself. Don't self-destruct.

And anyways, you haven't proven (OMG! I used it!) BM's know all forms. I'll just use the same argument before. Since Traya and Sion were Sith Lords at the same time, they should both be able to have an instakill drain? No. Need more? Just ask.

Are you serious? Dooku didn't teach Obi his lightsaber form; Cin did. You said it yourself. Don't self-destruct.

Sorry, I made a mistake in typing. I meant Qui-Gon Jinn. I was showing that Dooku knows Ataru.

And anyways, you haven't proven (OMG! I used it!) BM's know all forms. I'll just use the same argument before. Since Traya and Sion were Sith Lords at the same time, they should both be able to have an instakill drain? No. Need more? Just ask.

Dooku and Cin are Battlemasters of the same period. I don't see in any world why they don't know the same forms. If what Dessel says is true about being multiple lightsaber instructors, then they should definately know all forms of combat because they are heads. There is no reason why Dooku knows all forms but Cin knows only five. It's ridiculous. Your analogy is not even as close as mine.

Show me a passage. Prove that it is canon.

What do you mean? Using different sources, I have already shown Dooku and Cin knowing all the forms several pages back. I do not wish to repeat that.

Source? And since when would this mean that Dooku would have to know, let alone master Ataru. Obi-Wan trained Anakin, does this mean h has to know and have mastered Form V.

Obi-Wan and Anakin learned Shii-Cho and Ataru. However, during the CW when they seperate they go on to master their own forms. Most of the time, the master knows the form he teaches the apprentice.

Source?

Rots novelization. When Obi sees Cin dead, he says "he was my lightsaber instructor" which means Cin knows Soresu.

I'm not denying that the CLI would be superior to the regular LIs, but would that necessarily mean that he would have to know every form?

It wouldn't make sense would it then. Then there is no point in having a head if he knows only as much as the regulars.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Proof? What proof? Where?

Show me a passage. Prove that it is canon.

Knowing sequences does not necessarily mean you mastered the form.

Kas'im describes mastery as being able to use the dark side to guide your attacks in any chosen form. The sequences are just a means to obtain this.

[b]Prove that Dooku or Drallig has this degree of mastery in the seven forms of dueling.

I mean why does Dooku automatically win? Because he was beat by teh Yoda? Because he knew teh Mackasi?!!!!1111oneoneone.
He can use teh ZOMG force lightning!!!

What people are assuming is that Dooku can ACTUALLY pull one of these techniques off against a man that defended against a blast of pure energy that tore apart the Rakatan temple. People assume that him beating a weaker Windu automatically puts him above Kas'im in dueling....

A lot of assumptions, no proof.

A weaker Windu? We've already been through this, Obsessions takes place 5 months before ROTS, Windu was in the same physical(lightsaber skills) and mental(force powers) as when he beat Palpatine.

I mean why does Kas'im automatically win? Because he can beat teh Bane? Because he mastered teh seven forms!?!!!!!1111oneoneone.
He can defend himself against teh ZOMG Bane Blast!!111

You see the difference between that and what you posted is that is ALL we know about Kas'im, we know a plethora about Dooku, his stated power, his stated force masterly, his stated dueling prowess, the fact that in the 25k years of the Jedi history he was one of the strongest ever, the fact he can seemingly to a T mimic, the finest Jedi Masters lightsaber styles including Vaapad. Kas'im is virtually an unknown with one duel against a hardly credible foe under his belt, Dooku has the finest Jedi, dark side users and he even took on some of these at the same time.

Dooku > Kas'im, all the time till we know more about him, no matter how much hyperbolic Perfect Warrior BS is thrown around. No matter how many forms he mastered, which is NOT impressive since BANE kept up with them effectively even after NEVER seeing them. And no matter how many fanboys he's gathered.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Sorry, I made a mistake in typing. I meant Qui-Gon Jinn. I was showing that Dooku knows Ataru.

Fine. Just trying to make sure the debate stays good.

Dooku and Cin are Battlemasters of the same period. I don't see in any world why they don't know the same forms. If what Dessel says is true about being multiple lightsaber instructors, then they should definately know all forms of combat because they are heads. There is no reason why Dooku knows all forms but Cin knows only five. It's ridiculous.

I really don't see why they have to know the same forms. I never said Cin only knows five. Where do you keep getting the idea I've said Cin doesn't know all forms?

Your analogy is not even as close as mine.

Ya, it is close. Because Kun and Droma were Sith during the same time, they should both be able to freeze an entire room of Jedi? Right? No.

i wont say he mastered all the forms, but i will say that he definitely was at the very least proficient in them all. That would just be logical. Not saying he's the best at them, cause Cin would most likely be proficient in all them, but i would put Dooku above him. What great feats has Kas'Im done? Besides best Bane?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

Ya, it is close. Because Kun and Droma were Sith during the same time, they should both be able to freeze an entire room of Jedi? Right? No.

Get it right, They were Senators, there were 4 Jedi in that room Nomi, Cay, Vodo and Sylvar. They weren't affected by the spell.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Get it right, They were Senators, there were 4 Jedi in that room Nomi, Cay, Vodo and Sylvar. They weren't affected by the spell.

Damn. 🙁 I feel like an idiot.

Well, same thing just with the Senate.

Its ok 😉

I really don't see why they have to know the same forms. I never said Cin only knows five. Where do you keep getting the idea I've said Cin doesn't know all forms?

I'm saying this because you're saying Dooku doesn't know them all and only knows like a certain number, and thats stupid because then I could say Dooku knows five and Cin knows four or so. I've shown Cin knowing a bunch of forms and Dooku knows all the forms. Cin and Dooku should know the same forms, otherwise it doesn't work out.

i wont say he mastered all the forms, but i will say that he definitely was at the very least proficient in them all. That would just be logical. Not saying he's the best at them, cause Cin would most likely be proficient in all them, but i would put Dooku above him. What great feats has Kas'Im done? Besides best Bane?

Did I say I said he mastered them? Well, if I did, well that's not exactly where I was getting at. My objective is just what you said Subjekt:

I want to show that Dooku and Cin are proficient in all forms enough to teach and practice with others.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
A weaker Windu? We've already been through this, Obsessions takes place 5 months before ROTS, Windu was in the same physical(lightsaber skills) and mental(force powers) as when he beat Palpatine.

I mean why does Kas'im automatically win? Because he can beat teh Bane? Because he mastered teh seven forms!?!!!!!1111oneoneone.
He can defend himself against teh ZOMG Bane Blast!!111

You see the difference between that and what you posted is that is ALL we know about Kas'im, we know a plethora about Dooku, his stated power, his stated force masterly, his stated dueling prowess, the fact that in the 25k years of the Jedi history he was one of the strongest ever, the fact he can seemingly to a T mimic, the finest Jedi Masters lightsaber styles including Vaapad. Kas'im is virtually an unknown with one duel against a hardly credible foe under his belt, Dooku has the finest Jedi, dark side users and he even took on some of these at the same time.

Dooku > Kas'im, all the time till we know more about him, no matter how much hyperbolic Perfect Warrior BS is thrown around. No matter how many forms he mastered, which is NOT impressive since BANE kept up with them effectively even after NEVER seeing them. And no matter how many fanboys he's gathered.

Once again, Windu = Dooku, at best. Sidious > Dooku, this is confirmed. If Dooku > Mace, one could argue that Dooku > Sidious, which isn't the case.


A weaker Windu? We've already been through this, Obsessions takes place 5 months before ROTS, Windu was in the same physical(lightsaber skills) and mental(force powers) as when he beat Palpatine.

His mastery of Vaapad? His refinement of shatterpoint? Can you provide proof towards this? And last I saw, Dooku had two droids interfere.

Can you show me the comic strip if you are so sure of your claim, that is, Dooku's win was 100% legitimate?


I mean why does Kas'im automatically win? Because he can beat teh Bane? Because he mastered teh seven forms!?!!!!!1111oneoneone.
He can defend himself against teh ZOMG Bane Blast!!111

Omg…

Reading comprehension much??

I never stated Kas’im WOULD win. I stated that it was unknown at this point. It is just that people are assuming Dooku would win for absurd reasons.

You see the difference between that and what you posted is that is ALL we know about Kas'im, [quote] we know a plethora about Dooku, his stated power, his stated force masterly,

Please lead me to this plethora of information…

Oh please. His stated power of using force lightning and force pushing people around ? Kas’im defending against Bane’s abilities means he can easily defend against Dooku. Unless you would like to prove otherwise?


his stated dueling prowess,

Wow… Let’s ignore that Kas’im was also stated by the omniscient narrator as having remarkable dueling prowess. Sorry, omniscient narrator > you.

the fact that in the 25k years of the Jedi history he was one of the strongest ever,

Oh noes... the narrator described Kas’im as possibly the best duelist ever in the entirety of the galaxy. Your point is moot. Can you prove now that Dooku wins? No, you can’t.

the fact he can seemingly to a T mimic, the finest Jedi Masters lightsaber styles including Vaapad.

Mimic styles? Know Vaapad? What the hell are you talking about? Clarify please.

Kas'im is virtually an unknown with one duel against a hardly credible foe under his belt,

I suppose we can ignore quotes from the omniscient narrator…At this moment, I go with narrator over you.

Just because there was less exposure as to Kas’im’s actual kills, does not necessarily mean that he did not make any significant kills. A few months ago, people who argued for Revan had very little to go by…but they could come to logical deductions on how much Revan really knew and what he was capable of. With PoD, we are well aware as to the magnitude of Revan’s knowledge and power. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. ..

Oh, and of course, Darth Bane, one of THE strongest Dark Lord’s of the Sith, is hardly a credible foe.

*Yawn* Next please


Dooku has the finest Jedi, dark side users and he even took on some of these at the same time.

Hilarious. Took on some of them at the same time… If you refer to the weak AOTC versions of Ani and Obi Wan, I hardly consider them the “finest” at this point. If you refer to “taking on” Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time in ROTS, then it was described in the novel as a RUSE. He wasn’t actually beating them, they were lulling him into a false sense of security.


Dooku > Kas'im, all the time till we know more about him, no matter how much
hyperbolic Perfect Warrior BS is thrown around

As per your opinion kid… Go right ahead, you are entitled to an opinion. If you want to actually provide firm proof on whether Dooku is stronger…


. No matter how many forms he mastered, which is NOT impressive since BANE kept up with them effectively even after NEVER seeing them.

What the hell? After never seeing them? Laughable. You must be ignoring the fact that Bane was a prodigy among prodigies… And he personally trained with Kas’im. Obviously after such a period of time of training with Kas’im, he will know how to defend against Kas’im’s forms. Fact is, when Kas let out his Jar’ Kai form, (which Bane never saw) Bane admitted he would get pwned. Kept up with him, I think not.


And no matter how many fanboys he's gathered.

Stop stroking the count’s wrinkled member… Prove that the count wins

Hilarious. Took on some of them at the same time… If you refer to the weak AOTC versions of Ani and Obi Wan, I hardly consider them the “finest” at this point. If you refer to “taking on” Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time in ROTS, then it was described in the novel as a RUSE. He wasn’t actually beating them, they were lulling him into a false sense of security.

And even then, Dooku had them both in hand. He was taken off-guard but he still managed to beat them away and he HAD Anakin until Palpatine spoke out. Did you miss the part where, after being shocked at how well Anakina nd Obi-Wan were using completely different forms, he kept knocking one away and then taking up battle with the other? Or the part where he was revitalized and confident and having Anakin in the palm of his hand till Palpatine encouraged Anakin to use his anger? He could still handle them even after the ruse.

I suppose we can ignore quotes from the omniscient narrator…At this moment, I go with narrator over you.

Just because there was less exposure as to Kas’im’s actual kills, does not necessarily mean that he did not make any significant kills. A few months ago, people who argued for Revan had very little to go by…but they could come to logical deductions on how much Revan really knew and what he was capable of. With PoD, we are well aware as to the magnitude of Revan’s knowledge and power. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. ..

Oh, and of course, Darth Bane, one of THE strongest Dark Lord’s of the Sith, is hardly a credible foe.

No proof, no deal. Kas'Im has a quote and nothing else except Bane. He does not have feats. He does not have solid victories or ties against opponents like Yoda or Mace. Dooku has both. Evena victory over Mace and a stalemate with Yoda. He's described as one of the best Jedi EVER. Kas'im is described as one of the best Sith ever?

And again, offer up something more than a quote. Offer up some proof Kas'Im could go toe-to-toe with two of the best lightsaber duelists in the history of the galaxy. Or compete with them iN The Force. Or has as much experience, knowledge or accomplishment as Dooku.

As per your opinion kid… Go right ahead, you are entitled to an opinion. If you want to actually provide firm proof on whether Dooku is stronger…

Actually, no. That's the policy of a legitimate debate. Arguments between opponents with facts. All you and the Kas'Im supporters have is your opinion mixed with a quote that IS hyperbole till proven otherwise. "Omniscient" narrators in other SW books have claimed things like Kyp Durron being stronger than Luke or Qui-Gon being on the same saber-level as Mace. Do we take those quotes over what is actually shown, then? Please.

What the hell? After never seeing them? Laughable. You must be ignoring the fact that Bane was a prodigy among prodigies… And he personally trained with Kas’im. Obviously after such a period of time of training with Kas’im, he will know how to defend against Kas’im’s forms. Fact is, when Kas let out his Jar’ Kai form, (which Bane never saw) Bane admitted he would get pwned. Kept up with him, I think not.

No evidence Bane was any more skilled than anyone even like AOTC Anakin at this point. He simply has months of training. You think anyone like Doooku or Yoda couldn't handle Months-trained Bane?

This is getting obscene. Kas'Im has a quote and nothing else. It's nothing but hyperbole till he actually is shown to have the level of skill the narrator grants him.

Stop stroking the count’s wrinkled member… Prove that the count wins

Don't insult other members. And prove Kas'Im can win. We have a quote and nothing else. Dooku has a victory over Mace, a stalemate with Yoda, victories over AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin and Quinton Vos and Sora Bulq... We have seen how powerful he is. We have quotes and feats for him. Much more than you and the Kas'Im supporters have.

His mastery of Vaapad? His refinement of shatterpoint? Can you provide proof towards this? And last I saw, Dooku had two droids interfere.

Are you truly trying to tell me 5 months makes a true difference in ones power, especially that of Mace Windu, use your head silly.

Can you show me the comic strip if you are so sure of your claim, that is, Dooku's win was 100% legitimate?

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=101

As I said, a shot duel in which Dooku beats him back to a pit and has is guards seize him as he makes his retreat.

Omg…

Reading comprehension much??

I never stated Kas’im WOULD win. I stated that it was unknown at this point. It is just that people are assuming Dooku would win for absurd reasons.

Don't insult my intelligence, I was mimicking your ridicules "argument" against Dooku, the fact that you couldn't see that is evidence of your reading level. I never said Dooku would WTFPwn Kas'im, I said he would win that is all, in fact Kas'im could probably give him a good run but he'd still lose.

Please lead me to this plethora of information…

Read about 10 pages back.

Oh please. His stated power of using force lightning and force pushing people around ? Kas’im defending against Bane’s abilities means he can easily defend against Dooku. Unless you would like to prove otherwise?

Did I say he would use the force to kill Kas'im? No. Are you putting words in my mouth yes, do you now sound silly? Yes. Now however, I will say he could use the force to kill Kas'im if he did the same attack Bane did on Kas'im it would have obliterated him, Dookus command of the Dark Side was so great he could summon Dark Side energy from thought the Universe and draw it upon himself, What Bane did was his unleashing his own reservoirs of force energy and it left him exhausted, now if Dooku did the same attack he would destroy Kas'im, lets look at the fact that a pin sized cushion of force energy brought Ventress to her knees, and had her helpless begging for her life, note that she effectively took on Anakin by herself. His kick sent Anakin flying 10 feet into a wall, the flick of his wrist knocked Obi Wan clear across a room. Kicked Obi Wan clear across a room then used the force to send him like a missile that caused the metal int he room to fold around Obi Wan cause of the impact.

Oh noes... the narrator described Kas’im as possibly the best duelist ever in the entirety of the galaxy. Your point is moot. Can you prove now that Dooku wins? No, you can’t.

How is it moot, we have possibly vs is, YOUR point is moot. Can I prove Dooku wins? Yes the fact that even after busting out his Jar Kari, Bane still kept up with him and manage to steer the direction of the duel through a massive temple, had Kas'im been so utter WTFpwnage as his fanboys make him out to be Bane would have been dead in the first few passes, much like Exar did to Vodo, Much like Anakin did to Dooku. Now knowing this, Lets look at Dooku who's got 70 years of saber experience on Bane, if Bane who'd been training for MONTHS can keep up with Kas'im then Dooku most certainly can and most likely do better.

And big whoop he's the best in period full of loser Jedi and SIth who die like cannon fodder every three seconds, They were jokes, it takes 26 Sith Lords to duplicate what Revan could do by himself, There entire library of knowledge on Korriban was a laughing stock compared to what Revan knew alone.

Mimic styles? Know Vaapad? What the hell are you talking about? Clarify please.

While teaching Grievous he says "Now I will show you what you can expect from masters like Yoda, Mace Windu and Cin Drallig." He then proceeded to mimic them, and he's already learned a sufficient amount about Vaapad from Sora Bluq.

I suppose we can ignore quotes from the omniscient narrator…At this moment, I go with narrator over you.

When those quotes are disputable and when lookinga t the time period he's in they are VERY debatable.

Just because there was less exposure as to Kas’im’s actual kills, does not necessarily mean that he did not make any significant kills. A few months ago, people who argued for Revan had very little to go by…but they could come to logical deductions on how much Revan really knew and what he was capable of. With PoD, we are well aware as to the magnitude of Revan’s knowledge and power. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. ..

Don't try that argument, with Revan we had MUCH more then the FOUR facts we know about Kas'im. WIth Revan we had two games, the databank on Malak, The Chronicles, all providing ample amounts of info, with Kas'im we have one book and four facts, HARDLY a comparison.

Oh, and of course, Darth Bane, one of THE strongest Dark Lord’s of the Sith, is hardly a credible foe.
*Yawn* Next please

Oh yes one of the strongest when your order of LORDS is composed of students, whom have NEVER even held a lightsaber in their lives till the promotion, and who were only promoted not out of skill but to compensate for NUMBERS against the Jedi. They WERE JOKES.

Hilarious. Took on some of them at the same time… If you refer to the weak AOTC versions of Ani and Obi Wan, I hardly consider them the “finest” at this point. If you refer to “taking on” Obi Wan and Anakin at the same time in ROTS, then it was described in the novel as a RUSE. He wasn’t actually beating them, they were lulling him into a false sense of security.

Hilarious that Im not talking about either of these two instances, Im speaking of when Dooku took on Sora Bluq and Master Tholme at the same time.

As per your opinion kid… Go right ahead, you are entitled to an opinion. If you want to actually provide firm proof on whether Dooku is stronger…

Don't call me a kid, especially when you argument is based on two quotes that are VERY debatable.

What the hell? After never seeing them? Laughable. You must be ignoring the fact that Bane was a prodigy among prodigies… And he personally trained with Kas’im. Obviously after such a period of time of training with Kas’im, he will know how to defend against Kas’im’s forms. Fact is, when Kas let out his Jar’ Kai form, (which Bane never saw) Bane admitted he would get pwned. Kept up with him, I think not.

Bane was NOT a lightsaber prodigy, don't even try to insert that bull shit, the ONLY reason he was so good was because of his considerable force connection, and being as though he had only actually used a REAL lightsaber for about 3 weeks I'd say he'd did pretty DAMN good against the "Perfect Warrior" and read what I said above. Bane kept up, he even steered a duel through a 20 story temple.

Stop stroking the count’s wrinkled member… [b]Prove that the count wins

*Yawn* lame insults, And I already did.

Are you truly trying to tell me 5 months makes a true difference in ones power, especially that of Mace Windu, use your head silly.

It made a HUGE difference in that particular instance. It was during that time that Mace made a massive leap in his mastery of Vapaad. If he hadn't done that Sidious' Force Lightning would have owned him. Why? Because before then he didn't have the ability to completely shield himself from the Darkside. After then he could.

As I said, a shot duel in which Dooku beats him back to a pit and has is guards seize him as he makes his retreat.

Don't insult my intelligence, I was mimicking your ridicules "argument" against Dooku, the fact that you couldn't see that is evidence of your reading level. I never said Dooku would WTFPwn Kas'im, I said he would win that is all, in fact Kas'im could probably give him a good run but he'd still lose.

Prove it. The evidence you, and others, have shown doesn't support what you're claiming.

Read about 10 pages back.

Repost it, please.

Did I say he would use the force to kill Kas'im? No. Are you putting words in my mouth yes, do you now sound silly? Yes. Now however, I will say he could use the force to kill Kas'im if he did the same attack Bane did on Kas'im it would have obliterated him, Dookus command of the Dark Side was so great he could summon Dark Side energy from thought the Universe and draw it upon himself, What Bane did was his unleashing his own reservoirs of force energy and it left him exhausted, now if Dooku did the same attack he would destroy Kas'im, lets look at the fact that a pin sized cushion of force energy brought Ventress to her knees, and had her helpless begging for her life, note that she effectively took on Anakin by herself. His kick sent Anakin flying 10 feet into a wall, the flick of his wrist knocked Obi Wan clear across a room. Kicked Obi Wan clear across a room then used the force to send him like a missile that caused the metal int he room to fold around Obi Wan cause of the impact.

And that is more energy than was released in when Bane's Force Attack destroyed the Rakata Temple AS A SIDE EFFECT. The majority of the energy was stopped by Kas'im's Force Shield. There is no reason to believe that Dooku could Bane's attack with as much power as Bane did. Why? Because Dooku has never Force Powers nearly that strong. Ever. You mention Dooku bringing Asajj to her knees with ease, but she isn't anything special in the Force. Bane killed a Sith Lord with the Force with very little energy expenditure. It's FAR beyond what Dooku has done.

How is it moot, we have possibly vs is, YOUR point is moot. Can I prove Dooku wins? Yes the fact that even after busting out his Jar Kari, Bane still kept up with him and manage to steer the direction of the duel through a massive temple, had Kas'im been so utter WTFpwnage as his fanboys make him out to be Bane would have been dead in the first few passes, much like Exar did to Vodo, Much like Anakin did to Dooku. Now knowing this, Lets look at Dooku who's got 70 years of saber experience on Bane, if Bane who'd been training for MONTHS can keep up with Kas'im then Dooku most certainly can and most likely do better.

Wrong. Bane was able to drive the direction of the battle ONLY because he knew the terrain and Kas'im did not. But anyway, what does that matter? Bane is better than Dooku. zOMG! It took Kas'im a whole minute to defeat someone stronger than Dooku!

And big whoop he's the best in period full of loser Jedi and SIth who die like cannon fodder every three seconds, They were jokes, it takes 26 Sith Lords to duplicate what Revan could do by himself, There entire library of knowledge on Korriban was a laughing stock compared to what Revan knew alone.

Prove that Revan could do the Thought Bomb himself. In fact, first prove that he could do it AT ALL. Then show that he could do it with nearly as much power as the Sith Lords on Ruusan did. They also have far more combat experince than anyone from Dooku's time.

While teaching Grievous he says "Now I will show you what you can expect from masters like Yoda, Mace Windu and Cin Drallig." He then proceeded to mimic them, and he's already learned a sufficient amount about Vaapad from Sora Bluq.

So he knows parts of Ataro, Juyo, and (what does Cin use? From the ep3 game it looks like form five to me) Shien. However, THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS MASTERED THOSE FORMS. The only form Dooku is stated to have MASTERED is Makashi. Kas'im on the other hand has MASTERED ALL OF THEM.

Oh yes one of the strongest when your order of LORDS is composed of students, whom have NEVER even held a lightsaber in their lives till the promotion, and who were only promoted not out of skill but to compensate for NUMBERS against the Jedi. They WERE JOKES.

Are you joking? They are the ONLY group of Sith to ever have the might to crush the Republic on even terms.

Hilarious that Im not talking about either of these two instances, Im speaking of when Dooku took on Sora Bluq and Master Tholme at the same time.

And this makes him stronger than Kas'im how?

Bane was NOT a lightsaber prodigy, don't even try to insert that bull shit, the ONLY reason he was so good was because of his considerable force connection, and being as though he had only actually used a REAL lightsaber for about 3 weeks I'd say he'd did pretty DAMN good against the "Perfect Warrior" and read what I said above. Bane kept up, he even steered a duel through a 20 story temple.

Bane was extremely strong at this point. So strong infact that he could kill Sith Lords with less effort than it took Dooku to drop Asajj to her knees. Regardless of how much training time Bane had he was incredibly powerful.

For the record, Kas'ims force shield COMPLETELY blocked Bane's force wave. However, he was still standing in the temple entrance when it crumbled.

Not only that, it seems that it redirected it outwards too.