Kas'im versus Count Dooku

Started by Dessel17 pages
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
EXACTLY! Thus, BM's NEED TO KNOW ALL the forms.

Erm PK, your entire argument is inherently flawed. Read my reply. LI's don't need to know every other form.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Cin and Dooku were both Battlemasters, and in the same period as well.

Bane and Kas'im were Sith in the same period. Does that mean they both know all forms? No.

Why not? It's not like the Jedi Order has collapsed. Battlemasters need to know all forms so Jedi can train. And I have showed Dooku and Cin know all forms

Bane and Kas'im were Sith in the same period. Does that mean they both know all forms? No.

STUPID ALERT!!! Was Bane a Battlemaster!!!

There were multiple LIs, therefor the responsibility to train the jedi in the art of saber combat didn't rest on one person, therefor it wasn't required that the Chief Lightsaber Instructor know every single form. This is how your argument fails. It's Lightsaber Instructor by the way, not Battle Master.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
STUPID ALERT!!! Was Bane a Battlemaster!!!

And it's stupid how? I'm just defeating your logic. Just because you have the same role as another doesn't mean you know everything mutually.

Seriously, I have grown sick and tired of this. All Rocas keeps saying because he has no other reason to support his fallen argument is "prove it, prove. Wats ur source"

Now people are saying Dooku knows less forms than Cin even though they were BM's of the same period (heck, they were consecutive BMs)

There were multiple LIs, therefor the responsibility to train the jedi in the art of saber combat didn't rest on one person, therefor it wasn't required that the Chief Lightsaber Instructor know every single form. This is how your argument fails. It's Lightsaber Instructor by the way, not Battle Master.

Source?

And it's stupid how? I'm just defeating your logic. Just because you have the same role as another doesn't mean you know everything mutually.

😆 Defeating my logc!!! 😆 LOL! You have made yourself even more stupider with that ridiculous statement.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Source?

I agree. I'm curious on that. Given that Count Dooku was the foremost lightsaber instructor, Yoda's prized pupil, and that he trained Grievous and Grievous's bodyguards in other lightsaber forms, makes me think that he knew a considerable, considerable amount about lightsaber forms. All of them.

Edit: Prodigal, chill. Seriously, did everyone around here overdose on ego-pills? Same for you, Dessel.

LOL, sorry about people 😮 My ego runs high sometimes

You just answered your own question in that exact post Escape - Cin Drallig, Sora Bulq, Count Dooku, Yoda, they are all stated to be 'chief' or 'foremost' lightsaber instructors, which by definition means there are more than one.

and that he trained Grievous and Grievous's bodyguards in other lightsaber forms

Dooku never trained Grievous' bodyguards, and he only ever 'trained' Grievous in one form as far as we know.

Yet, they served at different times. Sora was the head of the Dark Acolytes, however he was never BM.

And does it matter if there are more than one? Even "if" there was a head lightsaber instructor called the Battlemaster, this makes it even more likely that they know all forms. If he is the head of the instructors, shouldn't he know them all. Otherwise, the BM is equal to the others.

Yet, they served at different times. Sora was the head of the Dark Acolytes, however he was never BM.

No, that's not the point, the fact that they were labelled as 'chief' or 'foremost' lightsaber instructors means that at the time, there were other (granted they were lesser) Lightsaber Instructors.

And does it matter if there are more than one? Even "if" there was a head lightsaber instructor called the Battlemaster, this makes it even more likely that they know all forms. If he is the head of the instructors, shouldn't he know them all. Otherwise, the BM is equal to the others.

Not necessarily all of them. Especially with Dooku, when there's strong evidence that point towards the idea that he didn't master forms like Ataru, and Soresu.

WRONG. Dooku taught Obi-Wan Kenobi and Dooku himself recieved personal training (though not apprentice) from Yoda, master of Ataru. As for Soresu, it's more than likely he knows this form. Dooku needs to learn the elements of Soresu (it's a common form) and Cin Drallig know it, so it's probably that Dooku does to.

No, that's not the point, the fact that they were labelled as 'chief' or 'foremost' lightsaber instructors means that at the time, there were other (granted they were lesser) Lightsaber Instructors.

Remember, I'm not even sure if there were more than one Lightsaber Instructors. But if there were, then a chief instructor DEFINATELY needs to know all the forms because he is the head. The minors need to look off the head. Dooku can't be like "Oh Sora. I don't know Soresu so my friend you know it so you teach it." No, how then does he get the position of BM???

Are you still arguing or not? I can't stay much longer my friend.

Originally posted by Dessel
Dooku never trained Grievous' bodyguards, and he only ever 'trained' Grievous in one form as far as we know.

It said that coupled with their programming and Dooku's training, as well as Grievous's own. He sparred with them, as we know. And, I believe the Visual Guide said that Dooku taught Grievous in all forms, and Labyrinth of Evil states it, too, I believe.

All right. I'm outta here. I will see to this argument tomorrow. Hopefully, I can cause some conceding. Later, my friends!