Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Clearly, Dooku would take this. I mean he defeated two of the most powerful Jedi and still was able to stalemate the "most deadly foe of the darkness".
What kind of an argument is this? Obiwan and Anakin were hardly two of the most powerful Jedi. And he didn't stalemate Yoda, read the AOTC novelization. Not to mention he fleed. I fail to see how any of this gives him any advantage over someone who, like Yoda, mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat, and unlike Yoda, did it with a double blade.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
1.) From Wookiepedia:"the Jedi battlemaster not only had to have deep knowledge of all combat styles, but also had to have mastered them with considerably advanced skill."
2.) All right, I will look for it.
4.) Look at ROTS. You see Dooku choking Kenobi and then throwing him away. His use of it is more of Whirlwind than a simple Push.
1. Wooh. Hold up. Where does it say he was battlemaster?
2. Okay.
4. I'd have to say no on the whirlwind. But your right on the choke.
1.) From Wookiepedia:"the Jedi battlemaster not only had to have deep knowledge of all combat styles, but also had to have mastered them with considerably advanced skill."
Er, Wookiepedia is not exactly the most reliable source. It states that Sion was a master of force drain, when I haven't really seen anything like that stated in KOTOR.
Do you have the actual source for this if it exists? Do you have proof that Dooku was a battlemaster even? Sorry, I just haven't bothered to read about Dooku much...
Kas'im mastered everything INCLUDING double bladed and Jar Kai. Not to mention he was a skilled force user who could defend against blasts of energy capable of reducing temples to rubble. He was stated to be the "perfect weapon" and best duelist in the galaxy at that point. The author states that he is "possibly the greatest ever." There is no proof that Dooku beats him.
Look at ROTS. You see Dooku choking Kenobi and then throwing him away. His use of it is more of Whirlwind than a simple Push.
Er, it seems like a simple use of choke and then a simple use of push. Kas'im, I am fairly sure, can defend against such a mundane attack, given that he was able to protect himself from Bane's ubermensch blast.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Kas'im has this. He's got more experince and he's mastered all the forms. I'd put him as equal to, if not above Bane, and I doubt anyone that is properly informed would argue that Bane would lose to Dooku.
Actually I'll be the first to say Bane would lose to Dooku in a saber duel. Bane only got close to beating Kas'im because he knew his movements backwards and forwards, and he knew the temple very well, that's all.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Is that why nobody will acknowledge your dream world? Talk about denial.
What dream world? Who's around to acknowledge it?
And here's my argument:
Proven facts:
Kas'im knew all seven lightsaber forms, and trained with them
He can deflect any force power sent by Dooku
Deductions:
Dooku does not have the endurance (Logical deduction) to fight long with Kas'im. (How old is Kas'im? Anyone?)
Your argument that's been undeniably proven:
Dooku is able to kick Anakin
Count Dooku was able to block two overhanded strikes from Anakin and Obi-Wan (simultaneously) at the beginning of their duel in RotS. He did so with one hand.
He was also able to, yes, kick Anakin into a wall, as well as keep up with Obi-Wan and Anakin, physically, through most of their duel. He did so in AotC, as well.
His endurance is extremely considerable.
Originally posted by Escape81
Count Dooku was able to block two overhanded strikes from Anakin and Obi-Wan (simultaneously) at the beginning of their duel in RotS. He did so with [B]one hand.He was also able to, yes, kick Anakin into a wall, as well as keep up with Obi-Wan and Anakin, physically, through most of their duel. He did so in AotC, as well.
His endurance is extremely considerable. [/B]
I'm going along the lines that he's holding his body together through the force; look at Yoda when he fought Sidious. He slowly lost his WTFPWNED111!!1 abilities that he had in AoTC. If this goes down to the wire, Dooku will be tired as hell.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I'm going along the lines that he's holding his body together through the force; look at Yoda when he fought Sidious. He slowly lost his WTFPWNED111!!1 abilities that he had in AoTC. If this goes down to the wire, Dooku will be tired as hell.
I agree with you, mostly.
In sheer endurance, Count Dooku or Yoda or Palpatine aren't on par with the younger duelists. However, all three of them are amazingly powerful in the Force. Utilizing such things, they are capable of keeping up - or indeed - surpassing those who are younger than them.
You make it sound as if, after three swings, Dooku will be gasping for breath. This isn't the case. He will be able to match Kas'Im for a while, I'd imagine, and would certainly be capable of defending himself.
But, yes, in the long run, he'll be the one who gets tired first.
Not to mention the list of people he's owned
Mace Windu
Obi Wan twice
Ventress
Sora Bluq
Tholme
Grevious
Stood toe to toe with Yoda twice
Quinlan Vos
AOTC Anakin
That alone is more impressive then anything Kas'im has ever done, when Kas'im tools someone on par with Mace Windu then he'll be in contention to take on Dooku till then no.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I'm going along the lines that he's holding his body together through the force; look at Yoda when he fought Sidious. He slowly lost his WTFPWNED111!!1 abilities that he had in AoTC. If this goes down to the wire, Dooku will be tired as hell.
Wont happen as Dooku has shown multiple times to be able to fully revitalize himself with the force, in the middle of a duel.
Originally posted by Escape81
I agree with you, mostly.In sheer endurance, Count Dooku or Yoda or Palpatine aren't on par with the younger duelists. However, all three of them are amazingly powerful in the Force. Utilizing such things, they are capable of keeping up - or indeed - surpassing those who are younger than them.
You make it sound as if, after three swings, Dooku will be gasping for breath. This isn't the case. He will be able to match Kas'Im for a while, I'd imagine, and would certainly be capable of defending himself.
But, yes, in the long run, he'll be the one who gets tired first.
True, but that force power doesn't really come into this duel since Kas'im has shwon he can block a force power of greater magnitude than anything Dooku utilizes.
Ya, that's my fault. I'm never compeletely clear when say something unless I'm being an idiot.
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Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Wont happen as Dooku has shown multiple times to be able to fully revitalize himself with the force, in the middle of a duel.
Seems like a simple display of force heal to me... an ability that many a lowly knight could perform.
I would like you to prove that Dooku can revitalize himself while Kas'im is nailing him with his lightsaber skills...
By the way, this battle is a close one... but there haven't seen any arguments that prove Dooku will take out Kas'im.