Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So how does he touch him, assuming there are 3 ways he won't?
I do agree Peter is in the disadvantage in h2h.
Spider-man can dodge, and I'm being extremely generous here, three out four of Victors attacks. That isn't enough to keep him alive. His organic webbing isn't strong enough to hold Victor and he can't avoid him for ever. At the end of the day Spider-man is fighting to lose because no matter how long the fight takes he can't win.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI dont think a Spiderman at his best will have too much problem dodgin creed unless Creed has the Venom symbiote.
Spider-man can dodge, and I'm being extremely generous here, three out four of Victors attacks.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That isn't enough to keep him alive. His organic webbing isn't strong enough to hold Victor and he can't avoid him for ever.
Spiderman can't break his own webbing. If he was bound by it, it's 120lb per mm tensile strength. Of course he could be a cheapass and stand on a wall for a stalemate, or higher ground. 😗
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe can only win one way. so I'm not sure if I'd bet on him, but Creed still doesn't possess the physicality to overwhelm him outside of endurance period.
At the end of the day Spider-man is fighting to lose because no matter how long the fight takes he can't win.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I dont think a Spiderman at his best will have too much problem dodgin creed unless Creed has the Venom symbiote.Spiderman can't break his own webbing. If he was bound by it, it's 120lb per mm tensile strength. Of course he could be a cheapass and stand on a wall for a stalemate, or higher ground. 😗
He can only win one way. so I'm not sure if I'd bet on him, but Creed still doesn't possess the physicality to overwhelm him outside of endurance period.
Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.
I'll concided that Spider-man climb a wall and hide out of Creed's reach (although... he could scale a wall fairly easily)... and that is about as close to a win as Spider-man will get.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.I'll concided that Spider-man climb a wall and hide out of Creed's reach (although... he could scale a wall fairly easily)... and that is about as close to a win as Spider-man will get.
good posting; people dont understand that spiderman get hit all the time, they always think that he can avoid ALL attacks when thats not true. I give spiderman credit he is fast but you can say the same for creed. In a fight against creed spiderman is going to need the assistance of punisher again because if we're talking about the current sabertooth that has the upgrade in strength, healing factor, adamantium claws, upgrade in strength and his senses being upgraded also, then spiderman is toast. Like I continuously say, thats all it takes is one good slice and the fight is over and Sabertooth WILL get that spiderman fans. If Rhino could do it and if kraven can do it, if the old man vulture can do it, if blade can do it, if elektra can do it, you get my point, then sabertooth can do it with no problem. And can you all stop bringing up spiderman strength, it aint going to do nothing to sabertooth but make him madder and make him want to taste spiderman blood more. Now if you have spiderman vs the sabertooth back in the early 90's, sabertooth will give as good as it takes but he's going down but current sabertooth will laugh at spiderman effort.
I love hypocrisy. BTW I'm not the one who goes around saying that Spiderman is unhittable or anything like that, so don't mix me up with others. I think Peter stands a odd chance of getting hit, but I think he should be hit much less than he does when he fights peak humans.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.
Well the same thing can be said about Wolverine, his healing factor is WAY taken out of proportion, Wolverine and Sabretooth are more often hurt by street levelers, but the superfans want to use only his high showings. But when Spiderman's side does the same thing it's taken out of proportion? That's so funny. Because there are dozens of examples to the contrary to Logan and Creed's uber feats. But since you and Wolverine 1-1000 don't like it, they don't count? Cute. This is exactly why I hate feat wars. There's no way you'll convince me that Spidemran can't dodge Sabes when he's dodged guys like Carnage and Ocks tentacles quite often, and there's no way I'm convincing people who think Logan can break the sound barrier that he's getting hurt with by hits from Spiderman, although others do it time and time again. So this will just get circular, too bad I'm not bothering to fuel it further.
Originally posted by carver9Another Weapon X fanboy, I see your sig is spelled wrong, 😂 . People say that Wolverine and Creed can take all of Spiderman's attacks, but that's just not true. Sabretooth isn't breaking out of Spiderman's webbing because he isn't strong enough. If a deer could do it, if DD could hurt him, if Cap can hurt him, doesn't that lead you to conclude that someone dozens of times stronger can? Current Spiderman is also faster, more agile, and has better reflexes and precog.
good posting; people dont understand that spiderman get hit all the time, they always think that he can avoid ALL attacks when thats not true. I give spiderman credit he is fast but you can say the same for creed. In a fight against creed spiderman is going to need the assistance of punisher again because if we're talking about the current sabertooth that has the upgrade in strength, healing factor, adamantium claws, upgrade in strength and his senses being upgraded also, then spiderman is toast. Like I continuously say, thats all it takes is one good slice and the fight is over and Sabertooth WILL get that spiderman fans. If Rhino could do it and if kraven can do it, if the old man vulture can do it, if blade can do it, if elektra can do it, you get my point, then sabertooth can do it with no problem. And can you all stop bringing up spiderman strength, it aint going to do nothing to sabertooth but make him madder and make him want to taste spiderman blood more. Now if you have spiderman vs the sabertooth back in the early 90's, sabertooth will give as good as it takes but he's going down but current sabertooth will laugh at spiderman effort.
I wouldn't bother brining up all of Spiderman's getting hit on the account his precog isn't written to it's descripted abilities, that and Spiderman holds back. I love how you bring up low end villans like Craven, Deers and elk anyone? 😆
This fight i would give to Sabertooth 6/10.
Why you ask well, think about it he is almost a combined version of Wolverine and Spider-man, Spider-man's strength and speed (or close enough to hit him anyway) (Oh and not agility) combined with Wolverines Healing, adamantium skeleton and claws and his endurance.
Now you may say Spider-man can web him in such a way Creed won't be able to use his claws, well whats to stop him from say pulling the wall down around him from what he's webbed too. (Also note that Spider-man can break his own webbing, or at least strands of it, i'm not sure if he can rip through a paste of it.) But on that note the webbing can be used to slow creed down enough to be pummled by Spider-man untill he gets free.
Also Creed is as durable as Spider-man, or more so probally, and I know someone is going to say Wolverine is more durable but thats not true, it's easier to hurt Logan but he heals from it far to quickly for it to be a problem, with Creed you have that healing and the durability. To be honest Giving Spider-man 4 wins is almost generous, but he still has his superior speed, webbing, and he is still stronger (probaly by about 5 tons or so but still enough to cause damage) hell he may even be able to overload Creeds healing factor using his stingers in the fight aswell, and if not them just use his Iron suit's liquid meatl to make a set of claws like he did against Stergon.
So Sabertooth 6/10 for being just overall more powerful.
Spider-man gets 4 for more extoic fighting styles.
Oh and before I forget I'm getting tired of hearing people whine "Well Spider-man gets hit by Kraven so he can be hit !!" so what, would you read a comic where the character never got hit. Spider-man is aways down played around those characters to make the fight more like, well a fight. Not only that, but no matter what power set someone has and how unlikley they shouldn't be overpowerd or hit, they are, to make the story more intresting, thats just the way of comics.
For example Spider-man gets hit by Kingpin. The Hulk is hurt by a headbut from Wolverine. Hell there was even a part in "Spider-man/Black cat Evil that men do" where Cat sucker punche's Spider-man even comments on how his Spider-sense didn't warn him overpowers him webs him to the floor and runs away, did it make sense no, did it move the story along and keep it intresting, yes yes it did.
All this said certain characters shouldn't be able to hit Spider-man such as Daredevil because he isn't even close to Spidey's speed, but characters such as well Sabertooth have Speed close enough to Spidey's to hit him, you just have to know when to draw the line of, plot development and when they should hit them.
Hope all that made sense to someone besides me.
Ok Tha C-Master you make some good points if they actually was true. If spiderman hold back in the speed department, why did he easily cirlcled around morlun punches when he was getting clobbered, hmmmm that makes you think. What happened was spiderman almost got beaten to death, he should have pressed that button on the back of his neck and used his flash speed and dodged morlun punches. Spiderman is overrated on this site more than anyone I have ever seen, I thought superman fans was bias but you all have them won by a long shot. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around silver surfer all day. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around hulk all day, when this guy almost get stalemated by a old man in a vulture uniform. It dont make any sense to me. Like I said before sabertooth will get a cut off spiderman and it would happen easily. I almost forgot, I did see a very,very, very short fight between spiderman and x-23 and guess what happened, it ended with x-23 claws against spiderman kneck, ending with him complimenting her speed. Im glad that she's a hero or we would have been 1 less of a spider, with flash speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok Tha C-Master you make some good points if they actually was true. If spiderman hold back in the speed department, why did he easily cirlcled around morlun punches when he was getting clobbered, hmmmm that makes you think. What happened was spiderman almost got beaten to death, he should have pressed that button on the back of his neck and used his flash speed and dodged morlun punches. Spiderman is overrated on this site more than anyone I have ever seen, I thought superman fans was bias but you all have them won by a long shot. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around silver surfer all day. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around hulk all day, when this guy almost get stalemated by a old man in a vulture uniform. It dont make any sense to me. Like I said before sabertooth will get a cut off spiderman and it would happen easily. I almost forgot, I did see a very,very, very short fight between spiderman and x-23 and guess what happened, it ended with x-23 claws against spiderman kneck, ending with him complimenting her speed. Im glad that she's a hero or we would have been 1 less of a spider, with flash speed.
like I said learn to draw the line, he didn't dance around morlun because morlun also had super speed, enough to keep up with Spider-man, so he could hit Spider-man.
Now Spider-man circling around silver surfer is just stupid, unless Surfer is letting him because he knows Spider-man can't hurt him.
And was the X-23 fight in Marvel team up? when they both fell through a window and stopped fighting?
Spiderman and x23 met on more than 1 occasion thats the 2nd time they met, Im referring to the 1st time, the feral x23 and she easily subdued spiderman and had him scared. When she popped the claws out he realized that she was affiliated with wolverine. X23 own spiderman just like sabertooth can own spiderman. Can someone please give me all the battles that was made with spiderrman vs sabertooth, I dont know how to use the search. The reason Im asking for it is because 1 guy put all the comics of spiderman and wolverine encounters and spiderman and sabertooth encounters. When you look at them that should answer you question about spiderman and sabertooth because when spiderman and punisher teamed up to fight sabertooth, sabertooth grabbed spiderman by the kneck and was going to claw him in the back but he let spiderman go and jumped out the window to complete a mission that he was being paid for. The guy also showed other pages where spiderman showed complete fear of wolverine and where wolverine easily beat spiderman. Im going to look for it.
Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman and x23 met on more than 1 occasion thats the 2nd time they met, Im referring to the 1st time, the feral x23 and she easily subdued spiderman and had him scared. When she popped the claws out he realized that she was affiliated with wolverine. X23 own spiderman just like sabertooth can own spiderman. Can someone please give me all the battles that was made with spiderrman vs sabertooth, I dont know how to use the search. The reason Im asking for it is because 1 guy put all the comics of spiderman and wolverine encounters and spiderman and sabertooth encounters. When you look at them that should answer you question about spiderman and sabertooth because when spiderman and punisher teamed up to fight sabertooth, sabertooth grabbed spiderman by the kneck and was going to claw him in the back but he let spiderman go and jumped out the window to complete a mission that he was being paid for. The guy also showed other pages where spiderman showed complete fear of wolverine and where wolverine easily beat spiderman. Im going to look for it.
Well in marvel team up she didn't "own" Spider-man, they just tusseld a little then fell through a window, garnted she had her hands around his neck but he could have easily got out of that, but the fight was cut short so....
Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debate
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes6bq.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes21ax.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debatehttp://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes6bq.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes21ax.jpg
that actualy goes into Spider-man's favour lol, he himself in harms way so Punisher would shoot Sabertooth, dosne't realy proove much anyway...
Originally posted by Jyppe
There's an explanation for this feat. Wolverine was echanced by Apocalypse's tech at the time. In a previous X-men issue he broke down a titanium door (which was reinforced by X-man at the time) with just his fists.
Oh yeah I forgot about that lol, havent read that comic in a long time.
Spiderman is to freaking fast. He can not be touched! The man has spider sense and also has enough strength to KO anybody.
Spiderman could kill Wolverine and all his friends with one finger, so I don't see how Sabertooth can even keep up with Spiderman. Yes, I will ignore his upgrades because he is a Wolverine Villian. Anything or anybody to do with Wolverine loses to Spiderman you freaking Wolverine Fanboys, get it through your head.
Spiderman is not over rated and is the most hated character on the boards so everyone trie sto make him lose. Even IGN had a tourniment with alot of Marvel characters and Spiderman ended up beating Magneto but then the people at IGn got mad and said this!
"October 23, 2006 - We at IGN Comics are able to accept a lot of odd things. When we left Gambit off of our Top 25 X-Men list, we understood when many of you wanted to cut off our limbs. When we review dozens of comics each week, we figure some of you will be mad that we didn't get around to Krypto. We even (almost) understand how many of you are still under the impression that Onslaught was a great idea. Somehow, somewhere, we have developed an understanding of these opinions.
But there is no way Spider-Man wins our Ultimate Marvel tournament.
While we are sure there were other injustices in the voting, the fact that Peter Parker managed to defeat the Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor and Magneto is just a bit much for us to handle. We thought we'd walk you through our choices for the tournament. We are willing to accept a fairly broad range of scenarios for these fights."
How dare these people take a win from Spiderman. Grr, people underestimate Spiderman Greaty. I hate Wolverine Fanboys 😠 😠 Curse you Srank 😠
*Goes back to sleep*
Originally posted by carver9
Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debatehttp://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes6bq.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabes21ax.jpg
That doesn't end anything. It's a scenario 🙄
Can we agree that Wolverine and Sabretooth are very similar with equal attributes in most cases? Good!
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelteamup023007ga6.jpg
Here is what was really said.
Spiderman- Logan you ok?
Logan- Yeah Im just waiting for my healing factor to kick in. The guy packs a punch. I guess I am not as fast I thought.
Spiderman- You got that right.
Logan- Shut up! Smart ass.
Spiderman- Ok! I am going to draw his fire because your not fast enough, and while he is distracted do your stuff.
Spiderman- What would you do If I was not here.
Logan- Its a good thing you are because, i dont wanna know the answer to that.
Spiderman- Watch and learn Logan
Logan- Damn showoff
