Originally posted by SparkzKeep that up and maybe he will give you a doggy treat 😖hifty: J/K 😆
That has got to be one of the longest rants ever, and a very well thought out and logical rant. Well done C-Master well done, just to bad you don't have a scanner otherwise that could have gotten realy embarresing.
Originally posted by RicodrayzParanoid? How can I be paranoid of something you're doing? The fact that I think you post stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, is nevertheless trolling (even if it is harmless). Because you want to provoke a reaction. You are saying that I'm trying to make myself feel superior when it's really you who has no real argument against my accusation because you know you're wrong. So you blow it out of proportion. If I'm wrong, go and point to me where you've made an intelligent post in this thread. 🙂
Just being nice to reply to your paranoia 🙂 When I speak to you first, then you may talk. Otherwise, just let it go no matter how bad of an urge you have to speak.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI bother you so much it is rather funny 😆 If I annoy you so bad, then simply don't speak to me. Points are already good in this thread but you dismiss it. In the Wolverine VS Spiderman thread, I posted my thoughts the other day.
Paranoid? How can I be paranoid of something you're doing? The fact that I think you post stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, is trolling (even if it is harmless). You are saying that I'm trying to make myself feel superior when it's really you who has no real argument against me accusation because you know you're wrong. If I'm wrong, go and point to me where you've made an intelligent post in this thread. 🙂
You speak to me about pointless posts when I see you in threads being extremly sarcastic about Wolverine winning with his God blah blah blah, fanboy blah, all the time. There is alot of shit in your tiolet, about time you flush it. 😉
If you ask nicely, I will make you get the last word 😄 After all, wouldn't want you to look bad in front of your forum buddies 😖hifty:
Originally posted by RicodrayzNah, I don't think you bother me, I think you're the one who gets bothered enough to make spite threads of characters and me. I've dismissed nothing, but that's still better than you not arguing anything. I just think you bump threads for no reason, and your posts are always antagonizing the character and me, so when I call you on it, you get all butt hurt about it, or go tattle on the mods.
I bother you so much it is rather funny 😆 If I annoy you so bad, then simply don't speak to me. Points are already good in this thread but you dismiss it. In the Wolverine VS Spiderman thread, I posted my thoughts the other day.
So yea, I'm the one bothered here, look at all of last year please. Go make a sock account. 🙄
Originally posted by RicodrayzAnd I back my points up as well, you on the other hand just diss other members and wait for other members to post to jump on their balls. You have never put up one debate, ever. You ignore points, and jump on your superiors when they are around.
You speak to me about pointless posts when I see you in threads being extremly sarcastic about Wolverine winning with his God blah blah blah, fanboy blah, all the time. There is alot of shit in your tiolet, about time you flush it. 😉
Originally posted by RicodrayzOh yea, you are sure making me look bad... that's why everyone's laughing at the fanboys. 😆
If you ask nicely, I will make you get the last word 😄 After all, wouldn't want you to look bad in front of your forum buddies 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSorry, I should take your aproach and go make it my life to try and own fanboys 😆 or go around preaching of Wolvie Gods. Oh better yet, PM people and tell them to come in threads to back you up 😆
Nah, I don't think you bother me, I think you're the one who gets bothered enough to make spite threads of characters and me. I've dismissed nothing, but that's still better than you not arguing anything. I just think you bump threads for no reason, and your posts are always antagonizing the character and me, so when I call you on it, you get all butt hurt about it, or go tattle on the mods.So yea, I'm the one bothered here, look at all of last year please.
And I back my points up as well, you on the other hand just diss other members and wait for other members to post to jump on their balls. You have never put up one debate, ever. You ignore points, and jump on your superiors when they are around.
Oh yea, you are sure making me look bad... that's why everyone's laughing at the fanboys. 😆
Of course I bother you. Why else would you reply to me when I wasn't speaking to you with a smartass comment 😆
Yeah, your usual tactic, bring up stuff in the past to try and discredit the other guy. Sorry to break it to you, but people change. I don't care about what you say to the point that I get annoyed since you already said you do it on purpose to get to me.
We all need to grow up on this forum. Me and everyone else, but some more than others "Fanboy slayer". I think you try act in a role on the forum to much.I will boost your self confidence for you.
You own everyone, you are never wrong. You are a master 👆
Cmaster: youpi
Anyway, I have to go. I have Midterms and all kinds of crap this month 🙁 Then I start my job next week grrr, I won't be on for awhile. 🙁
well, see you later.
Originally posted by RicodrayzNo, it's only part time. But since you are so hypocritical you miss the entire illogical, pointless posts in all of the threads you post in and always try to cop out and take the innocent route. I think your trolling is harmless, but it's still trolling. I'm not sure if it's your arrogance or just your blatant hypocrisy.
Sorry, I should take your aproach and go make it my life to try and own fanboys 😆 or go around preaching of Wolvie Gods.
Originally posted by RicodrayzYep, because we all know I don't own the piss out of you and the other fanboys everyday of the week, most of the time by myself, since I don't post here as regularly anymore. But that's much better than running to the mods, or pming me to stop coming in a thread owning you...
Oh better yet, PM people and tell them to come in threads to back you up 😆
I don't make it my priority to rely on people, never have. I have alot of people who like me sure. But you can never say I regularly buddy up with someone. Unlike you and all the other Wolverine supporters. In their neverending cluster****ing sessions, I'd hardly be talking... people come on here regularly (like now) and call the owning subjectively. Of course I can't help but have a laugh with good pals every now and then about a good ownage... but who doesn't?
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Of course I bother you. Why else would you reply to me when I wasn't speaking to you with a smartass comment 😆
I was joking to your joke, but you got sensitive to it, because oh well, the truth still hurts.
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Yeah, your usual tactic, bring up stuff in the past to try and discredit the other guy. Sorry to break it to you, but people change. I don't care about what you say to the point that I get annoyed since you already said you do it on purpose to get to me.
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
We all need to grow up on this forum. Me and everyone else, but some more than others "Fanboy slayer". I think you try act in a role on the forum to much.I will boost your self confidence for you.
❌
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
You own everyone, you are never wrong. You are a masterCmaster:
Originally posted by RicodrayzAwww... till next owning. 🙂
Anyway, I have to go. I have Midterms and all kinds of crap this month 🙁 Then I start my job next week grrr, I won't be on for awhile.well, see you later.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yep, because we all know I don't own the piss out of you and the other fanboys everyday of the week, most of the time by myself, since I don't post here as regularly anymore. But that's much better than running to the mods, or pming me to stop coming in a thread owning you...
Haha...I remember that. Good times there. 😛
*sigh*
Man I carve some pumpkins and decorate a little for Halloween and I have four posts to responded to.
Damn you CM! You are going to reply to my posts then I’ll have to do this all over again won’t I?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
*Cracks Knuckles*I don’t know who you’re trying to fool, but anyone who actually looked at the threads can see about 99% of them being spite threads and none of them lasting more than a page or few. The difference between the links that I posted and yours is that the Wolveridiots actually sit there and stretch the length of the thread to 10, 20, 30, or even 100 pages sometimes. But you can’t tell the difference in that, which is why you can’t tell the difference between good arguments and YOUR arguments. That and the people in the Spiderman threads weren’t even being serious. Save Spiderman and trio where the trio defenders got stomped on because they couldn’t conjure any argument how they could win, other than “it’s 3 vs 1!!!”
Oh really? How about we make a brief comparison.
Wolverine vs. Superman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=316447&perpage=40&highlight=Wolverine+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
A brief scan of the this will show that the only person arguing Wolverine over Superman is you, CM.
The closest thing anyone came to a serious argument in favor of Wolverine was when Jinzin said that he thought that Wolverine may be able to cut Superman given the chance. I disagree with him but it isn't as if there is no merit behind his argument.
Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t427731.html
Aside from the initial post, which I doubt was meant to be taken at face value, no one debated in favour of Wolverine. So... once again no one seriously defending Wolverine.
Wolverine vs. Abomination
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=359525&perpage=40&highlight=metallo+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
... I fail to see the problem with this thread. Wolverine was practically created to beat characters like Blonsky. If Ol' Emil had a healing factor on par with Hulks (or even Wolverines... heck even Cyber's) of course he would win but as it stands he is a slower, much less skilled fighter who is more likely to receive a mortal wound that to deliver one. Aside from a BFR Abomination couldn't beat Wolverine in a fight.
Wolverine vs. The Wrecker
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364596&perpage=40&highlight=metallo+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
*See the explanation of Wolverine vs. Abomination
Not nearly as one sided as you'd like to believe.
Wolverine only needs to sever anyone of many major arteries (should I list some for you?) and the Wrecker will bleed to death in moments. You don't think Wolverine is capable of that? Anyway it is hardly a spite thread.
Wolverine & Spider-man vs. Superman
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368145&perpage=40&highlight=metallo+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
wolverine8888... 'Nuff Said.
Wolverine vs. Colossus
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30968&perpage=40&highlight=Logan87+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
Wolverine supporters think that he can cut Colossus, Colossus supports think he can't. It is speculation either way, all coming down to your preference but it is hardly a spite thread.
If Wolverine can't cut Colossus because we bring real world physics into the argument then Colossus is blind as a bad having opaque eyes and the fight becomes a stalemate.
Wolverine vs.5 Elder Predators
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=357125&perpage=40&highlight=Logan87+forumid%3A77&pagenumber=1
Of course Wolverine loses to a Predator. I mean, it isn't like Predators have ever been killed by a 125lbs Asian girl with a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do. Oh, wait... they have. 🙁
Honestly I didn't even look at those threads in your initial post or even when I wrote my fallow up to it, knowing full well they had little substance or relevance but even so I expect better then that.
For the most part the ridiculous Spider-man threads are the same as ridiculous Wolverine threads, with people jokingling saying either Spider-man/Wolverine will win... except only Spider-man bring the other up in order to undermine the credibility of the character and his fans. Do you think I can't find any outlandish posts in favour of Spider-man? Do you think for a second that would be a difficult task? How easy would it be for me to post a link to IGN's Marvel Superhero voted battle? Step down form your pedestal of self indulged illusion of superiority and get with the program.
As for your quotes form jinzin I will assume that they were taken out a of context as he is usually very reasonable. As for Wolvertooth... well... he is a crazed fanboy
Ever heard of a hyperbole? Head down to chapters and pick up a dictionary of literary terms 'champ. If Riceroost actually though Wolverine could dodge five Spider-man all day, I'm pretty sure he would have given him better odds against one. He was exaggerating to make his point more effective, nothing more.
And Wolverine has shown an amazing vertical leap (although I hesitate to say in the order of 50 feet). Riceroost wasn't condoning the fact just stating that it has happened, more then once, and he is right.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Funny man, trying to beat me with inferior rhetoric. Let me help you child.
I understand you wanted the throw the word rhetoric into your post somewhere but couldn't you have fought a better quote to use? Me calling you bias and delusional was a simple statement, blunt and to the point with no attempt to persuaded you into believing it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If I was truly delusional (which is actually you since I’ve thrown overwhelming facts in the contrary to you and your homoerotic supporters), I would be mentally ill and perceiving everything as fact and perfectly normal. As opposed to…
You read the Wolverine threads you posted and the Spider-man threads I posted and came to the conclusion that Wolverine supporters were seriously arguing in favour of Wolverine over the likes of Superman, while the Spider-man fans were all joke threads. How is that not delusion? 99% of the people posting in those threads are schmucks who post Wolverine wins as a joke... and then someone like you brings it up latter in an attempt to incriminate (which is odd since a lot of those stupid posts are your handy work). There is also the fact that you have said, several times, that Spider-man is a more consistent character then Wolverine that hasn't had changed since his creation... but I guess Spider-man is a class two character with a vague ringing noise in his head to alert him of danger huh?
And what are this facts you've thrown at me? There aren't any and the idea that you think there is cements the fact that your delusional. Just because you call something a fact doesn't make it one CM. You pawn off your twisted opinion as "facts" nothing more then that... and worst of all you seem to think it is effective.
You "facts" are like your "logic", flawed, full of holes and they only make sense to you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Baised is me tending to go one way or another based on my preference, we are all biased to a degree, but I have no problem admitting Spiderman loses, in fact I do it more than I’d say he wins. So much for that, mentally ill friend, or mentally challenged at least. Now, for more of your lesson…
Of course every one has their own set of bias believes. Anyone can tell you that I favor Wolverine over Spiderman, massively so, but I still think Spiderman beats Wolverine the high majority. And yet I still have to sit here read the rantings of Spider-man fanboys who have the nerve to question my credibility because I don't think ol' Petey is Quicksilver. But how about examples of you putting your biases aside? What was it you said the last time this was brought up? "I don't think Spider-man can beat Thor". Was that it? Well gee, I'm so glad you were able to bypass your bias and over come adversity to come to that startling conclusion! You are a real hero CM.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Try again, I just quoted my title and didn’t bother fixing it. Because I don’t need to. As long as guys like you are around I’ll always have tons of funny quotes and spite threads directed at me since you guys can’t actually win an argument in the first place
What title... you gave an account of your current activities. Which apparently involved "swatting haters". Now shall we look at the some facts?
1. You posted from a computer, most likely a home computer
2. You are a Wolverine hater
3. You were likely alone while posting
It stands to reason that you were swatting your self... but what ever you are into I guess.
And I get the joke so lets not waste anymore time on your "title" in future posts. Besides I don't care what you call your self while you are pumping my gas, just remember my car takes premium and lets avoid the small talk. 😎
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh really, and what feats are those pray tell? I thought you said earlier that I went off of nothing but handbook evidence before, and now you switch and say I use only high end feats. Please tell me where I sit and post high end feats, that is not in an attempt to debunk others using high end feats to show them how utterly pointless that feat wars are.
I never said you posted Spider-man feats I said you uses his high end feats as the foundation of your argument. Your opinion of what Spider-man is capable of is in line with all of Spider-man high end shows. I don't need you tell me this, anyone with basic reasoning skill can figure it out. There has to be some reason to your madness. I had assumed you read a significant number of Spider-man issues and decided what level you think Spider-man operates on. Or did I give you too much credit? Maybe you did just read the 03' Spider-man Handbook, his article of Wiki and decided you knew enough about the character to debate with others.
But don't worry CM I didn't forget that a large portion of your argument relies heavily on titles, random stats and the ability to disregard the abilities of other characters. Hey, its what you do after all.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You, my hypocritical friend, use NOTHING but high end feats, all of the time, that suit your argument. You will never argue Wolverine getting hurt by anything under Hulk level, you will argue him in his few exceptions lifting ridiculous things as opposed to the contrary, and you’ll argue him, along with other fanboys who use nothing but high end feats, breaking the sound barrier, and jumping several stories in the air. I have no time for such idiocy, which is why I avoid feat wars in general. But I dare you to come up with a consistent list of Spiderman’s high end feats, and if I did use them, why in the **** would I not be backing them up if everyone knows they happened. Sounds like a copout to others because they have no other way around the argument regardless. You do not debate logically, nor do you take PIS into account with anything when it comes to Wolverine, there is no disputing Wolverine feats with you. Not once have you ever said wolverine has a crap feat, but you seem to have no problem bitching about Spiderman and Deathstroke. Typical fanboy irony.
Are you unable to understand the difference in power between Spider-man and the Hulk? There is a lot of space between Spider-man on a power scale and Hulk. How does thinking Spider-man can't ko Wolverine with brute force equate to everyone below the Hulk? That is ridiculous. A glancing blow from the Hulk would do more damage in an instant then Spider-man could build up over twelve hours. The force of Hulk waving his arms widely alone would be more damaging then an extent barrage from an angry Spider-man.
Wolverine shrugging off hits from the bricks is the norm, its who he is, it is the middle ground between his high-end and low-end feats. Do you want me to use Wolverine's high-end feats? Then we are dealing with a guy who single handedly beat, in a few panels, an ancient demon who owned the entire x-men, with his bare hands (and with out getting hit) beat the tar out of the leader of the Neo who shrugged of Colossus' best attacks and soloed the x-men, has gotten into and one bar room slug feasts with Asguardian Trolls, She-Hulk has has trouble restraining, oneshotted Rogue through several walls in the Pentagon, took a blast from Firelord with out being singed, regenerated from a skeleton in a few panels, survived a nuke point black and walked around burning at a temperature so hot that he was melting steel in seconds after a nuclear reactor vented over top of him. I don't use examples of PIS in any facet in my argument.
Wolverine strength feats are limited in number. Why? Because strength isn't a major part of his character but when have they ever been contradicted? Can you show me even one example of Wolverine saying "I'm not strong enough to lift this"? The fact of the matter is that the only time Wolverine ever struggled with a weight he was holding an elevator with one arm. Well Wolverine's strength feats are limited they are all constant and place in a similar strength category; the lowest of which (when he was carrying an Moose slung over one shoulder like it was nothing) places him well above the 800lbs limit set for him in the Hand Books.
But maybe I should say this in a way you can understand. Logically if Wolverine can shrug off even the most liberal of attacks form the Hulk, Spider-man wouldn't be able to put him down with brute strength. See how that works? Logically if Wolverine can hit Night Crawler/Beast/Venom/Puma(/Speed Demon!) then he would have no problem hitting Spider-man. I did it again! We really need either of those though since both have already been shown to be true. Your logic forces people to disregard facts (keep in mind we are talking real facts not your fabricated ones) and subscribe to a notion that has no backing and is contradictory by it's very nature.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Read why your post is totally contradictory above. Feats, logic, and oh wait, actual events that happened in the continuity of that character. Just because you don’t like the way I do something doesn’t mean I don’t it fanboy, it means rather that you don’t like the way I do it and I should cater to you, **** that.
Now you are saying that the simple fact that a feat has happened makes it fair game? Chirst, would you make up your mind already because you are all over the damn place. If we take everything at face value then Larry Hama's Bat"I can take a sniper bullet to the face"Man is fair game and all those over the top Wolverine feats I mentioned are useable.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Which is no different than “I don’t think anyone under Hulk level strength can hurt Wolverine, even if they hit on them all day.”.
Only the difference is that I don't think that everyone under the Hulk's strength level is incapable of ko'ing Wolverine, while you do think that Spider-man is partically untouchable. But feel free to continue trying to misslead people by putting words in my mouth if you feel it is working well for you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I explain each and every bit of what I say, and my logic (which you don’t have), is superior enough that it makes Wolverine fans look like idiots
I’m sorry to say it doesn't champ, but you think it does, and that’s all that matters 😉
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I sure love when they try to bring up fighting skills and combat prowress then, because it becomes all the more funnier. Maybe someone should look up fallacy…
Not really sure about the point of this little spiel... or how it connects with fallacy. Are you sure you know what fallacy means? Maybe you should look it up.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Would you would don’t seem to comprehend and understand, or rather not accept, my Canadian friend, is that there HAS to be logic when doing any kind of debating. If there is no logic, then there is no point of debating. What you deduce, induce, and otherwise come to the conclusion of, begins and ends with logic. There is no other way around it no matter how many times you fanboys simply want to deny it. This isn’t a debate about “real world logic” it’s the internal reasoning for inference that is used in conjunction with rhetoric to come to a conclusion. No matter how much you ***** about Logan’s skill, or Cap’s skill, there is no way someone in their speed range, and strength range, has the grip pressure to catch a bullet, period.
Once again it isn't logic I have a problem with, it's your logic. You hid behind the veil of logic as if the word somehow legitimizes what you are selling but it doesn't. You assume and presume and make accusations with little to back them, thats what I have a problem with. You say that Spider-man is faster because character's like Wolverine and Captain America are human, as such he must be faster, but Captain America and Wolverine are about as human as my vacuum. The all have similar feats so why is it that you feel that Spider-man is so much faster? Because he is said to be superhuman? Lets ignore the fact that "superhuman" and other titles of the like have been used to describe both Captain America and Wolverine for a moment and let me ask you this: how is it logical to ignore evidence and built an argument around a vague title? Spider-man feats are fair game because he says he is superhuman but because Captain America and Wolverine have never stated that they are we ignore the feats? Why does it need to be stated that they are superhuman, it has never been said on panel that they are "peak human" but that is apparently fair game? Anyway the feats speak for them selves; I've never told anyone my car is green because they can see it by looking at it. Your deductive reasoning needs some work if you ask me.
Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Spider-man isn't faster then Wolverine or Cap because he is but the difference is negateable. If Spider-man is a 10 in speed Cap and Wolverine are both 9's. Also note that is combat speed, in a race Spider-man would obviously win seeing as his legs are much stronger.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So no matter how many times you post scans of your characters “dodging bullets”, there is no way possible that someone at their speed level is moving out of the way successfully once that bullet leaves the chamber at a close distance. Your internal logic goes against itself further when you actually attempt to argue a slower character doing it as opposed to Spiderman. Which causes you to look ridiculous each and every time you and your cronies argue silly shit like Wolverine healing before it happens, or Wolverine jumping 50 feet in the air. I honestly let it slide simply due to the fact that I can’t be bothered going in circular arguments and owning you guys all the time. But this post and the other required special attention.
Where I have I ever said I think that Wolverine can dodge a bullet after it has left the chamber? I don't think either Wolverine or Spider-man for that matter are nearly fast enough. Now that doesn't mean the haven't done it before, it means that on the forums they can't because neither of them have mach speed reflexes. The feats are only ever brought up to debunk the idea that Spider-man is great deal faster.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
See this is what I mean by reading comprehension problems, you directly went into what I said and implied your own meaning into it to aid your argument. Even if they were equal speeds, which they still aren’t, Spiderman is still a smaller target and is far more flexible, allowing himself to get the room necessary to dodge Victor Creed, Spiderman can jump vast distances and yank himself stories in the air. What will Creed do then? Very little.
Any perceived advantaged Spider-man has over Creed in speed is created only in appearance from his spider-sense, I would say they are pretty close to being even in pure speed. Flexibility and size advantages are all true but I can't see Spider-man's fighting style which relies on confusing his enemy with dazzling acrobatics and speed working as effectively on Sabretooth as it does on the his Rogues who unlike Victor have little actually combat training. If he is written right Sabretooth is a cunning, calculating killing machine, master strategist and expert in combat tactics... but sadly he isn't written correctly very often.
And I've already said if Spider-man was going to concentrate 100% on avoidance then he could stay out of Sabretooth's range... but that isn't a win now is it?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
His precognition just gives him an edge. If I were in a physical fight and I knew what the opponent were going to do next, I would have the advantage in dodging him. Sabretooth isn’t smart enough, nor does he know enough about Spiderman to exploit this. He isn’t Venom, or Carnage, or Ock, with his A.I tentacles, which Spiderman has dodged numerous times. That doesn’t mean he can’t hit him, because like I said before he has the chance of always getting hit, it just means he won’t be in “the time of his life” trying to dodge him either. And even if Creed hit him, it most likely wouldn’t be a finishing blow the first time anyways. Nothing new that Spiderman hasn’t faced, since you love to use that argument. You have no other argument to go against mine except simply the fact that you do not like it, which is hypocritical and invalid.
How much thought process to you think goes through someone's head in a fight? It is all about make split second decisions depending on what your opponent does. It is impossible for someone to plot out a fight in advance, there are millions of different options to choose for every attack, block, reversal and parry and then an other million options for opponent to chose from when he reacts. There isn't much forethought involved in fight, sure some Martial drill scenarios into you head so your body automatically reacts but Sabretooth reacts with animal instinct honed with decades of training, even if he wasn't 100% insane he would be unpredictable. The spider-sense doesn't predict the future, Sabretooth has to physically started his attack before Spider-man is warned about it and if he is in melee range will be able to dodge and attack from the close, and if he dodges that will be and be in the right position to dodge the next?
Doc Oc, Venom and Carnage all flat out wreck Spider-man in terms of speed and versatility but there are much slower people then them who have hit Spider-man so don't try to make it seem as though someone needs to be at least as fast as those characters in order to hit Spider-man.