Spiderman vs Sabertooth

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I’m sorry my friend, but knowing what something does, before it happens, makes it precognitive. He knows if someone is coming too near, or even if his Aunt will hit him with a broom handle. This right here shows how ignorant you are of Spiderman, or how much you hate him, making it pointless in debating with you. There is a latency time between the sense and his very fast reflexes, and that time can’t be exploited unless the character is very, very fast. Read Spiderman.

The spider-sense isn't precog. He is warned as soon as something happens not before someone starts mounting their attack. If Jonny Average gets read to throw a punch and Spider-man knows about it as so as he winds up he has ample time to avoid it but it isn't precog, it isn't even close.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What are you smoking? Not only does it tell WHERE the attack is, it signals stronger for a bigger threat, and it gives him the nature of attack… you really need to click the explanation in Brainchild81’s sig.

How did anything I say contradict any of that. I said it wasn't precog and it isn't. I know full well how the spider-sense works I don't need to read a sig to know how it works, I read comics. 😉

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you like him more? Sabretooth isn’t actually faster, nor does he *use * his melee combat “prowress” that often, isn’t he actually ranked lower than Logan? Logan actually uses his more (or is shown to regardless). Spiderman has used it his entire career, but that’s going to stop at Sabretooth? Who’s being biased now? Or ignorant? Or delusional? Take your pick, I’m too sleepy now. For some reason an MA is more dangerous than explosives and fatal weapons, funniest thing I’ve heard in quite some time actually. Sabretooth is not used to fighting Spiderman, nor is he smart enough to exploit it.

Interesting (but pointless) Factoid: Sabretooth had a higher fighting skill rank then Captain America in the old Marvel Overpower game.

It's true Creed doesn't use much technical skill but the fact remains that he has extensive combat training and he certainly knows how to throw a punch. Now Sabretooth's current strength level is purely speculation but we know he was a class ten character before he his last weapon x upgrade. So how strong as he? I would say between 15-25 tons, the same as Spider-man. Sabretooth has more fighting skill then anyone you can draw a comparison too in real life but imagine the punches Rocky Marciano would be throwing if he could lift 15-25 tons, cause that’s what Sabretooth will be hitting like while Spider-man won't.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
never heard how he was breaking out of the webbing btw, he only has nails too, not quite like Logan's claws, which makes it harder for him in terms of cutting leverage

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
never heard how he was breaking out of the webbing btw, he only has nails too, not quite like Logan's claws, which makes it harder for him in terms of cutting leverage

I haven't been that impressed with Spider-man's organic webbing IMO its fabricated was much stronger. I think someone with Spider-man's strength could break it unless they are just caked in a massive amount.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Changing what you say now?

Logan takes damage at the rate of a person, but heals from it extremely fast (how fast depending on the writer), if he gets hit with a bunch of force at one time his brain has no choice but to take the damage. He can’t heal before the damage has taken place. With his adamantium which bends less to concussive force, he is actually giving less resistance to prevent the nature of the attack, therefore working against him. Not to say that it’d be easy to do, but it can be done. Not that I’m going to hear an explanation of why it can’t, but “wolverine akfa;fojda dsihf;dfjsf;ad sf;dsfda” a skilled MA could do it. Writers aren’t physicians or anything else, they are writers.

What did I say?

Wolverine's healing factor is constantly working CM, it isn't dormant until the damage is done. The constant cellular regeneration is why his sense of sight, smell, taste, tough and hearing all vastly superhuman. As soon as the damage is inflicted it has begun healing there isn't a waiting period. Thats why bullets only get a bullet's length under the flesh, the healing factor "catches" healing around them and robbing them of their momentum. His healing factor doesn't repair damage before it is done, that wouldn't make any sense but it is insanely fast.

You know what’s funny? This is similar to the spider-sense argument... only once again I don't think Wolverine's healing factor works to repair damage before it is inflicted while you actually do think the spider-sense works before there is any danger for Spider-man to worry about. 😱

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bullshit. Logan gets ko’ed by daredevil, but not by namor in the same month. He then gets knocked out by namor, thing and hulk ko him, but no longer can. There’s no reasoning for these other than he’s a cash cow and needs to survive. There are times of course when they put reasoning, but it’s far from the majority.

Daredevil never managed to ko Logan, he hit him in the throat taking him out of the fight for a few moments. Wolverine was never unconscious though. If it makes you fell any better if Namor had punched Wolverine in the throat I'm sure he would have be briefly unable to fight in that situation also. If you are talking about the MK Wolverine fight in Enemey of the State then once again we have a highly circumstantial fight.

Namor koed Wolverine after he had regenerated from a skeleton, it stands to reason that his healing factor was operating on a slower scale after something like that. Namor is strong enough to ko Wolverine but it would take a significant battle to wear his healing factor down to the level needed for a one shot like the one be landed recently and hero battles are usually short lived or interrupted.

Hulk would out last Wolverine 10/10 and win with either a ko or BFR. Thing isn't so lucky since unlike Hulk he doesn't have a healing factor and any damage he receives he is stuck with for the rest of the fight. He is certainly more the capable of koing Wolverine though but I can't see a fight lasting long enough for that to happen

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
hahahaha, funniest post yet. I’m sure all the subjective readers on this board agree that Logan is very inconsistent, despite him being overrated. Logan’s classified as a peak human but goes beyond that more and more the more popular he gets. Spiderman’s is TONS more consistent than logan will ever be, and they are often written down. His strength is written down, as well as his speed, and agility. Most of the times they just give him webbing, and the walls to use. Every time he fights a peak human he becomes stupid and can’t dodge for some reason. Don’t even get me started with his Spider sense please. Saying that just shows you don’t understand his character at all, by saying logan (one of the most inconsistent characters in comics) is more consistent than Spiderman (one of the few characters who have changed very little since his appearance.) Funnier yet is Spiderman is usually holding back regardless, or is tired, stressed in his worst moments. Yea, you’re very wrong here. I’m sure you’re going to argue Spiderman fighting to his fullest next.

😆

You say Spider-man is much more consistent then Wolverine then you go on to out line all of Spider-man's inconstancy's in the same post. Are you trying to do my job for me? One day his spider-sense buzzes and he says "Danger? But where is it coming from?" or "An attack from behind! But I'm too late to avoid it all" and the next day it gives him the entire lay out of the city with the positions of everything in hundred yard radius and tells him how to avoid everything. The exact same thing is true for his speed and agility. One day the Vulture beats the crap out of him the next he his dodge all the Hulks attacks. The only constant thing about Spider-man his strength which he holds back. I don't care if you think Wolverine is more inconstant because frankly it is matter of opinion but if you can see that at the very least Spider-man operates on a similar level of inconstancy then you are an idiot... or delusional.

How did you come to the conclusion that Spider-man is written down when he fights streets and not the other way around. Spider-man being hit by human level characters predates any evidence supporting other wise. He has been hit by blatantly human characters long before he was shown dancing around characters like the Hulk. Mysterio, Vulture, Fancy Dan, Crime Master, Ox, Montana, Kraven, King Pin, Punisher, Daredevil where all hitting Spider-man long before he was depicted dancing around bricks. Rhino and Molten man took Spider-man to the cleaners in their first appearances. So one day the writer says "You know, that guy could kill Spider-man in one hit" and Spider-man has to dodge all the attacks in order to make the story, the plot, work; it's the very definition of PIS and it is the exception not the rule.

I'm not arguing Spider-man doesn't hold back against streets because he certainly pulls his punches but he is always operating on the same level of speed and agility and unfortunately it's not enough above the high end streets to make a difference.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nope, his Spidersense is divine in nature, and if what you’re saying is true, how does he sense things that aren’t lethal in danger (Fisk approaching, a person who is disguised and looks suspicious etc.) Vibrations in the air my ass, Logan and the others have nothing like that.

I thought Marvel retconned the whole Black Panther-ish African Spider-God, mystical element.

Anyway the effectiveness of the spider-sense is all over the place.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He was slammed, which wasn’t as you make it out to be. Healing factor won’t matter, because once you’re ko’ed you’re ko’ed, his body just speeds up the process of him getting back up. He can’t heal before the damage has actually happened, that’s nonsense.

Slammed with "bone shattering force" 😉 How is getting punched any worse?

Don't have a problem with the rest though.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yea, NOONE has a problem with Hulk or Thing Ko’ing Wolverine, or Herc, is that why their arguments are sooooo long?

Seriously? I'm going to let that stupid question slide because you are a made man who wrote four pages of responses.

The reason is because the ability to ko someone doesn't constitute a win in it's own rights. I could ko any heavy weight boxer around to day, so could you, so could just about anyone. The question isn't whether or not I have the ability to knock them out its if I can do it in the ring or not with them fighting back. There is a world of difference.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nope.

Well... thanks for clarifying. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Looked knocked out to me… are you saying you don’t like crossovers now?

He was gasping for air waiting for his throat to heal, he wasn't knocked out...

And what cross-over?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There’s always so much excuse and hypocrisy. I’m sure you want his best showings only right?

Your the one using highly circumstantial evidence pick something concrete if you don't want to hear the reasoning behind it. For instance you may notice how I don't bring up Spider-man fights that occurred when A) He his arm/shoulder as broken B) His spider-sense was on in breifly active C) He as blind or D) was so exhausted his powers fluctuating and other things of the like.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yep, they proved how moronic Wolverien fanboys were, seeing as your links had no arguments that lasted that long in 99% of the cases, I’d say your hard work was a lot of NOTHING. They provided good entertainment on the behalf of many members however.

We've been over this already... or at least we will have been by the time you read this.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And oddly enough the people arguing against him in every thread are always, always… Wolverine fanboys. And we all know why to, it never fails.

You must live in a fantasy world. Look at any thread involving Spider-man and an established street level hero and you will so people arguing in against Spider-man. It isn't Wolverine fans who argue against Spider-man its the rational people who actually read Spider-man issues and have the full picture of Spider-man's abilities and not just the impressive stuff from his respect thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
We’ve all established that we hate Wolverine’s annoying supporters and not the character. Funny that, how everyone in the forum understands that but the same people who moan and ***** about Wolveirne in the first place. Talk about fanaticism. Oddly enough I have little reason to go around posting that everyone hates Spiderman or not, because I don’t care, I see it for what it is and ignore it

I come to these forums to have a good time and I get to read bullshit from some narrow minded jackass question the sexuality/intelligence of a posters because they are fans of Wolverine. It's been like this for more then three years and it's a joke that was never funny. Further more people can't even come up with good reason for not liking Wolverine. Wolverine is over exposed? Bullshit, he doesn't have nearly as many monthly appearances as Spider-man or Batman and most of Wolverine appearances are in team books where he gets a fraction the panel time and more often then not isn't a team player. He is inconstant? I've already covered Spider-man in this thread should I move on to Superman? People claim to dislike Wolverine for the same problems that plague other characters, and Wolverine doesn't suffer form them nearly as much as others? You don't like Wolverine because of his hordes of fanboys? Of course the mysterious "Phantom Horde". There is what, half a dozen Wolverine supports on this forum? The rest of you post your stupid Wolverine spite threads and say "Hey I really do like Wolverine but Captain America beats him 6/10" Spider-man man's fanboys are far more numerous and far worse, if they weren't Wolverine would have won in IGN fan voted Marvel Showdown but he didn't get past round one while Spider-man beat the Hulk, Magneto and Thor IIRC and won the tournament.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Never once said he was my friend

I know but you said something along the lines of "I'm not unreasonable, I don't think Spider-man can beat Thor". I was poking fun at how you couldn't name a character lower on the scale then Thor.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, but you can remember to send me that father’s day card this father’s day, now that we all know who your real daddy is… 😉

For the last time I'm not going to call you daddy, now stop sending me school girl uniforms, naked pictures and inviting me to dinner; I'm not into it! 😘

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The spider-sense isn't precog. He is warned as soon as something happens not before someone starts mounting their attack. If Jonny Average gets read to throw a punch and Spider-man knows about it as so as he winds up he has ample time to avoid it but it isn't precog, it isn't even close.

I'm not sure I follow here. How is the spider-sense NOT a form of precog? 🤨

Lets start from scratch from this moment on and ignore every thing that came before. I'm sure you don't want to write seven some odd pages of replies to what I wrote and a certainly don't want to reply to those pages writing seven pages of rebuttals. What do ya' say? How about a truce? We could be chums you and I.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not sure I follow here. How is the spider-sense NOT a form of precog? 🤨

It would be precog if the spider sense let Spider-man know that someone was going to punch him in 23 seconds. It doesn't. It doesn't see the future and that is what precog is. The spider sense is a form of spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens, not before.

By agreement the pissing contest is over... yay 😆

So, I'm going to ignore these posts as they are getting off topic, and go back on topic... 🙂 it's a holiday thing. And saves time.

I say Spiderman can dodge Creed, but he is disadvantaged in melee combat. However Spiderman can take the cheap way out and hide somewhere. I however don't feel Creed has the cutting leverage to break free of properly placed webbing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
By agreement the pissing contest is over... yay 😆

So, I'm going to ignore these posts as they are getting off topic, and go back on topic... 🙂 it's a holiday thing. And saves time.

I say Spiderman can dodge Creed, but he is disadvantaged in melee combat. However Spiderman can take the cheap way out and hide somewhere. I however don't feel Creed has the cutting leverage to break free of properly placed webbing.

It's a Halloween Miracle! Hurray! 💃

I still don't know about Creed being held by Spider-man's webbing though. I haven't been impressed with the tensile strength of his webbing post "I was a giant spider and gave birth to my self" incident. It seems much weaker then it's fabricated counter part. I would argue that Spider-man him self could break it... and it has far too much give.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It would be precog if the spider sense let Spider-man know that someone was going to punch him in 23 seconds. It doesn't. It doesn't see the future and that is what precog is. The spider sense is a form of spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens, not before.

See this is where you're losing me.

The Spider-sense is two things. It's BOTH a form of "spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens", AND a form of precognition (go read your Spidey comics to know this is true) that informs of him of an impending attack on either his person or his vicinity. It varies in time as well. Sometimes it reacts JUST in the nick of time. Other times it gives him a good few seconds before the event takes place.

Spider-Man can know ahead of time if a bomb will explode. He can know ahead of time what kind of punch, the intended target area of the punch, and when the punch will land of his opponent. If not for his spider-sense, he would probably get shot. Lasers and bullets are pretty fast.

I mean, you've got to know this. 😕

PAWNED, OWNED, STONED AND DE-BONED!!!!

Wolverine fanboys need to spend more time looking
at girlie mags and less time counting the hairs on Logan's chest.

You need to stop crying fanboys about everything and grow up.

Originally posted by Zahit
PAWNED, OWNED, STONED AND DE-BONED!!!!

Wolverine fanboys need to spend more time looking
at girlie mags and less time counting the hairs on Logan's chest.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How do you edit your images? 😆 What program?

piece of cake.

Photoshop eh?

spidey

Creed.

Spidey. Webs and speed put it in his favor. IMO if Pete starts using that big brain of his Creed is really toast.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Spidey. Webs and speed put it in his favor. IMO if Pete starts using that big brain of his Creed is really toast.

Speedwise they're close and Creed can rip his webbing to shreds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Speedwise they're close and Creed can rip his webbing to shreds.

Spider-Man still wins.

Maybe it would've been split a couple of years back but i'd give Spider-man the majority now thanks to spider-fu training from shangchi and spider-sense.