Try this - http://starwars.com/episode-i/bts/me1/6.html .
Dessel, Vader may not be as fast as the typical Jedi, however his swordsmanship is not lacking. He can definately defeat malak in saber combat. It's been proven that Vader is greater than Dooku in saber combat, and Dooku can definately slay Malak in a lightsaber duel. Of course, if you wish to enlighten yourself on it, good luck, it's a LONG read. The Vader vs. Tyrannus thread. There was like five full pages on Vader's speed if I recall plus a whole seperate thread in the Eu forum I think.
Dessel, how can you even entertain the thought that OT Vader was him in his prime? We haven't seen him during the purge yet. Granted, his force mastery is at its peak during the OT, but there's more than just that, that makes you a complete warrior. Wait till the show comes out and if they show Vader (with modern technology) we most likely see a Vader that we have never seen before. But claim outright that he's in his prime then, is ridiculous.
Why not? Give one good reason why he would be weaker by the OT. The fact is, by the OT he has spent the most time possible getting used to his suit, his mastery of his saber hasn't in any way deteriorated that we know of, and he has a higher mastery of the force. Logic tells you that OT Cyborg Vader > Pre OT Cyborg Vader.
Which is why i said OT vader > EUvader, And EU vader especially Purge vader is ridiculously powerful, ripping apart a 1m thick blast door as if it was nothing by just screaming obi wans name. We dont see vader fight to his max in the movies, Or him showing any intresting abilities, All the things he did were in the EU. By the movies, he justcommands the fleet, You should really read Purge comic, vader is extreme there
Originally posted by Dessel
Why not? Give one good reason why he would be weaker by the OT. The fact is, by the OT he has spent the most time possible getting used to his suit, his mastery of his saber hasn't in any way deteriorated that we know of, and he has a higher mastery of the force. Logic tells you that OT Cyborg Vader > Pre OT Cyborg Vader.
Someone needs to look up the word logic before preaching it. The ONLY thing Cyborg Vader excels in as opposed to precyborg Vader, is force abilities. After studying for 20 years with the emperor he's not impatient nor impulsive. His mastery of the force is more controlled. Eve as a cyborg he still has some of that "Chosen One" potential. However in a saber duel with Anakin, he would get sliced into pieces...
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Someone needs to look up the word logic before preaching it. The ONLY thing Cyborg Vader excels in as opposed to precyborg Vader, is force abilities. After studying for 20 years with the emperor he's not impatient nor impulsive. His mastery of the force is more controlled. Eve as a cyborg he still has some of that "Chosen One" potential. However in a saber duel with Anakin, he would get sliced into pieces...
Someone needs to learn to read properly 😆
OT Cyborg Vader > Pre OT Cyborg Vader. That seems logical to me!
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Someone needs to look up the word logic before preaching it. The ONLY thing Cyborg Vader excels in as opposed to precyborg Vader, is force abilities. After studying for 20 years with the emperor he's not impatient nor impulsive. His mastery of the force is more controlled. Eve as a cyborg he still has some of that "Chosen One" potential. However in a saber duel with Anakin, he would get sliced into pieces...
When I said 'pre OT Cyborg Vader', I was still talking about cyborg Vader, just in between ROTS and ANH. Perhaps I should have been clearer, but next time don't go jumping to conclusions. 😉
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Who's to say that Malak's lightning is powerful enough for Vader NOT to block it with his lightsaber? We've seen Obiwan do it to Dooku who didn't have a very powerful version of force lightning. Vader has that ability as well.
More importantly guys...Vader could just simply Absorb it through the Force.
Duh?
Malak could use Force Drain on Vader though...
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Vader.* Has lightsaber resistant armor. (A powerful swing from Luke only sizzled his shoulder).
His armour isen't lightsaber resistant at all...Vader even insisted it be conventional armour.
And Luke only made a glancing blow on Vader in that duel, If he had truely made a full-powered swing, he would have lopped Vader's arm off.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Dessel, how can you even entertain the thought that OT Vader was him in his prime? We haven't seen him during the purge yet. Granted, his force mastery is at its peak during the OT, but there's more than just that, that makes you a complete warrior. Wait till the show comes out and if they show Vader (with modern technology) we most likely see a Vader that we have never seen before. But claim outright that he's in his prime then, is ridiculous.
He will be in his prime in the show...
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Whoa, then it's a good thing you're not a logical debater on these forums.
😂 Fact is your reading comprehension sucks! You thought Dessel was talking about pre suit Vader! Even after i pointed it out to you!!
OT Cyborg Vader > Pre OT Cyborg Vader - What part don't you understand???
Nevermind though, you still have your logic 😉
Originally posted by Dessel
The movie is the highest for of canon, Cyborg Vader is at his peak in them, and GL heavily indicates what is obvious from the movies on the video here - http://starwars.com/episode-i/bts/me1/6.html. Basically, in terms of dueling, PT >>> OT, GL refers to Vader as a 'half crippled droid' (IIRC), and basically confirms that his vision for the PT was to make the duels much faster and more skilled, in contrary to the unskilled, slow duels of the OT.
Hmmm Ogami, doesn't seem like he's talking about suited vader in both instances. Looks like you lose again.