vader vs. malak

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I think you're confused. Anakin was stated to have the potential to be twice as powerful as Sidious, or 200%. When he lost all of his limbs, he became only 80% of Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Vader is nowhere near Anakin's abilities with the samer by the OT. Him being a machine severely limits his mobility and speed, something Anakin had. It is true though, that he's more powerful in the force. [/B]

irrelevant, PT or OT Vader>Malak

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
irrelevant, PT or OT Vader>Malak

Since when?

Vader is most likely superior to Malak with the force, however this is still not a definite but Malak is most likely better with a saber, this is almost a given.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
this whole argument seems to have been created by my comment to Dessel. What I said was, the movies are only canonical to THAT era Vader, and wouldn't give us info about Jedi Purge Vader when he was still young. What I was ultimately getting at was, that when he first got in the suit and was still in his 20's, that it seemed logical to ME that there would be a chance he would be faster as a younger man. Thats all. And that he would still have a lot of rage as he wasn't used to being in the suit yet, so he could be more physically active during that time.

How would age have any effect whatsoever on the speed of his mechanical limbs.

Originally posted by Darth Sexiest
His armour isen't lightsaber resistant at all...Vader even insisted it be conventional armour.
And Luke only made a glancing blow on Vader in that duel, If he had truely made a full-powered swing, he would have lopped Vader's arm off.

Out of all my points, that's the one you chose to refute?

Anyway, a glancing blow will not result in serious damage, which is more than can be said for flesh.

Given what we've seen of Vaders abilities, and, given that we've seen nothing impressive from Malak, yeah, I'd say that's fair. It's obvious that Malak had to be good, but, there's no reason to simply assume that he's as good as Vader.

Actually there's a lot going for Malak with the force, read my initial post.

1) Your quote is screwed up.
2) I know he must be good, but assumptions don't mean anything. Him being near Vader in force abilities is unproven and, given what we've seen Vader do and who he is, wouldn't make sense

Well Malak did do this.

Originally posted by Dessel
He has demonstrated extreme force mastery such as using the force to lift two jedi up, choking the first one while blasting the other with lightning, then throwing his saber into the first one killing him while throwing the second back using the force. These two jedi were clearly very skilled having fought through much of the Star Forge, and Malak just toyed with both of them like they were children. I'd say this feat alone puts him high up on the scales.

Originally posted by Dessel
How would age have any effect whatsoever on the speed of his [b]mechanical limbs. [/B]

So every inch of his limbs are mechanical? Since when? He has above his knees and hipflexors and biceps and shoulders, you know the parts of your anatomy that dictates how fast your arms move...coupled of course with your pectorals. Funny how people to include GL, say that he mech limbs make him really slow, yet his right arm was half mech as well and didn't slow him down at all....hmmm. Anyway, as you get older, your joints become stiffer and less mobile. THAT'S how age would have an effect. he lost the lower extremities of his limbs that have NO bearing on speed or mobility. The only CHANCE of that is if his knees were severed as well, but if he still has his human knees then the mech portions would physically have no effect on his speed. However that ignorant canonical statement is unfortunately absolute, so cant argue logic against GL genius.

Originally posted by Dessel
Well Malak did do this.

well vader did this, ripped metal from metal and took on 8 Jedi masters on kessel, swiftly killed 4 of them and one of them sia-lan wezz was a decent and good jedi master who got finished by vader so quickly he could stab and then cut of her hand before she even hit the floor

Originally posted by Kadesh
well vader did this, ripped metal from metal and took on 8 Jedi masters on kessel, swiftly killed 4 of them and one of them sia-lan wezz was a decent and good jedi master who got finished by vader so quickly he could stab and then cut of her hand before she even hit the floor

I love how you fail to mention that Vader nearly got his ass handed to him during that fight...

Now in raw Force Power, I would give this to Vader (perhaps... since it depends), but Vader has this nasty suit that suffers from a major weakness against Force Lightning or hell even an Ion Grenade.

In pure saber ability it is hard to judge since we don't much about Malak's real abilities although as stated on his official profile he was clearly a skilled user.

Vader was also skilled duelist and eventually modified his style to fit his suit, but suffered from being much slower than he was (and don't pull that "but in this comic he moved really fast!" bullshit because in RoTJ he is clearly slow and RoTJ beats any comics/books/games in the canon department) so that's an advantage for Malak. Overall, I don't know who would win this since it depends on to many unknown factors. However, just for shits and giggles, I will submit that Malak will win.

And that is why you fail.

Originally posted by Blax X
And that is why you fail.

Oh? Please do tell.

Is this ROTJ Vader?

Originally posted by Deus Venèficus
Oh? Please do tell.

Because Vader is the most powerful Jedi evah. I have HW so I'll brb...

ok well, vader wins hands down, And no, raw power does not mean you will win 100%, Vader knows how to command the dark side of the force far better than he could in the PT, and that 8 v1 fight, vader nearly got his ass handed because 1, he was fighting 8 people at once 2) he got back stabbed 3) he isnt as strong as vader 19 years later.

By the way, the ancient sith acknoledged vader by building a throne for him on korriban, source? Read Empires end

Originally posted by Kadesh
By the way, the ancient sith acknoledged vader by building a throne for him on korriban, source? Read Empires end [/B]

So your saying a bunch of old crotchety Sith Ghosts got of their collective asses and built Vader a throne?

😐

well they stated his throne was already there and asked if palpatine was going to take his place.

this is the quote "Emperor palpatine, ruler of numberless worlds, Vaders throne lies empty, have you come to take his place?"

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=063
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=77&page=064

Vader is much more powerful with the force. I would post like, 20+ links like this, but, swcomics is being slow on my computer, and I already listed these feats (although, they are much more impressive to see).