Terry & Ryu Vs Kyo & Iori

Originally posted by Sado22
will it be any consolation if i tell you taht terry HAS lost by time over. 😕

Originally posted by Sado22
before you were saying that Kyo, Iori and Ryu would cream Terry. once i mentioned some facts you start mentioning how he never loses is actually an implication taht SNK over power Terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81
If Terry is in fact undefeated, that makes his competition look weak more than anything else. In FF Terry was placed so high above the other fighters it’s ridiculous.

Originally posted by Sado22
err...Ash did beat him didn't he. say what you want but Berserk means "never ending rage taking over so that you don't feel pain or anything else aside from rage". if he don't feel pain i don't see him feeling tired either....but that's another story. lets NOT get into that, please.

Originally posted by Sado22
MOTW ends with Rock joining the bad guy cuz he blackmails him (Rock's mom's actually alive and tells him that he'd tell him only if he takes up the syndicate as Geese's legacy and work with him). so not really bad....but not good either. Also Terry doesn't actually KNOW why Rock chose that....he only tells him that he believes in him and walks away.

Originally posted by Sado22
no, dude, i'm not heated...its so hard to get your tone across sometimes on the net. its cool with me in fact i'm kinda liking it in a way.

Originally posted by Sado22
funny how Ryu is actually sitting there on my top list as we speak. Where's terry on your list, brain?

The day he starts beating Iori & Kyo instead of drawing w/them, I’ll say it. Until then he’s some guy who SNK seems to hate the idea of him getting his @$$ whooped.

Doesn’t make sense. If Ash can beat Iori, that’s something he’d have done from the start. Why let Iori kick asses 1st?
Ash is a smart devious lil’ bastard and he did the right thing. He picked his shot. It’s open to different interpretations, but it reeeaaaaaaaaaaaly looks like Ash picked just the right time to fight him. Otherwise, like TP said, he’d likely end up in traction………..or worse

I remember that, but how many diff timelines does KOF have. Isn’t he w/Terry again in KOF MI?

It seemed like you went into “dis Ryu” mode, calling him a selfish prick and then saying he’s got no character flaws I’m still trying to wrap my brain ‘round that one.

[quote]I’m enjoying this too, although I’m known for being lazy and I’m doing way too much typing in these replies It’s hard for me to choose between favorites. I tried making one and it just got longer & longer. Terry’s not as high up on my list as he may should be because of the animes & old costume and the way SNK treats him. If Terry’d started off in the MOTW clothes and I’d never seen the animes he’d be much higher. The whole raising Rock thing was a big step in the right direction. What are the canon results of the Rock/Terry fight?/quote]
the canon results are:
some sources say that Terry won the fight and then fought Grant with whom he barely won. he suffered a lot of injuries cuz Grant is the AKUMA of the series and couldn't fight. Rock, therefor, went ahead on default and faced kain.

however, some claim that before they could even start a their fight, Grant came and challenged them at which Terry opted to take him on all by himself so as to make sure Rock got ahead (winning the tourny meant more to Rock than to Terry since Rock had to know his lineage).

see ya around.
~Sado

Awrigth, no more busy scheduale, ill answer to Brainchild now, since the discussion is going good:

And here it is, 15 min be dammed:

Originally posted by brainchild81
lol.There's nothing that points to the contrary is it? He's a natural meaning he might even be better unless you got some proof that he's worse. Many seem to think you can't have a plot device and be talented. Kyo can and is. Kyo has skill & plot device. Just because these others don't have the pd doesn't mean they have more skill than Kyo to compensate. However, if you have proof to this, then by all means present it.
I like seeing fights whether they're canon or not. I own the English version so far up to 5 but I missed 4 because I find the series entertaining & I thank you for showing that. That seems to be from issue 4. Can you get the rest of the fights from that one? I never said he loses to everyone all the time. Feel free to quote me if I have. I'm just trying to explain to you that Ryo vs. unfocused Ryu means nothing here regardless of whether he's not going all out or not or not. You seem to be not getting it. Are you saying that if we regarded this as canon that you would use this as evidence for Ryo in a Ryo vs Ryu match? If not, let's move on because we're both smart enough to realize this proves nothing other than that Ryo can beat Ryu when he's not focused. Whoop de do Bazil!! We might as well go crown Ryo the greatest fighter of all time now if he can accomplish that astounding feat. The Ryo victory parade will be held on Friday 🙂 Remind me to show you the scans of the fight where Dan beats on Ryo. Ryo couldn't concentrate because he found out Yuri has "fire down below" & Robert said "bi**h ain't catch it from me man. Get the f**k out mah face!!". That wasn't a factor though because Dan wasn't going all out.
Ryo not focused = Dan not going all out. See that olympian? I can talk all crazy too 😆
Relax. I'm not trying to insult you, it's just that it's not important. If you were a gambler, would you put a grand on Ryo to win KOF because he participated in Burikai One? Hell to the No! It just don't carry that much weight. You haven't said that he won. I'm starting to think he lost.
I'm only concerned about if he created them or not. I only want proof. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just ain't sure if you're right. I don't have the card to translate that stuff. Can you copy & paste?
That's awesome. Still I'm asking you if he could beat them together. Great. & now for the proof?

1- In a storywise point id say it is, however, i guess its in the eye of the beholder. My take is that Kyo when he first showed up, relied alot more in his plot device to make him stand out that necessarily grand figthing skills like Terry or Geese.

2- If i find the quote ill post it. I got the impression that it was exactly what you meant. About the fight, it was a reaction to the impression the said quote left on me. If that was canon it would only mean they are in the same tier under that story. Not that you would agree with that either.

3- I think youll find that it was Ryu who *lost* to Dan after the latter received a certain training from a demon, but feel free to check it out.

4- I actually dont know if he did, truth to be told. That game is somewhat a rarity around the west. But thats not the point and here since im sure of what you said, i have to insist. You objected his place in the realm of SNK not regarding him as important. I just showed you that he does.

5- You dont need one. The planning and production team of both original franchises was the same. We know they designed both games and we know that for watherver the reason they left and created another game alike. They *invented* the style. They created it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_%28video_game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

6- Only with the correct teamwork. I dont view Shingo as a major factor other than providing number. If Shingo goes down early, Terry in my view, wins.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ryo? 🙄 Brain and a few others are going to pounce you for that one. I refuse to put Kyo and Ryo on the same level, let alone at Ryu's level. Ryo is not in the same tier as these guys.

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Shango, KOF MI, has Rock and terry as contemporaries?How old is Rock supossed to be? Falcoon at least said the game wasent suposse to dwell much in continuity but to be mainly fun. Hanjo shows up as well, and hes no contemporarie to anyone.

Dont know if it helps somehow, but besides the younger versions, some characters like Ryo and Terry have the older *correct ages type* versions.

Originally posted by brainchild81
That may have alot to do w/how much you like Terry though. No offense. Once the get him outta there, they just do all kinda tag team moves on Ryu

Hey brain. There you are. You accused somebody's liking of a certain character of influcencing their decision. I dont want to start a dumb a$$ internet "fight", but I thought I'd show you, since you asked.

Originally posted by brainchild81
In MOTW I've heard he and Rock stalemated. Once again Mr Bogard doesn't lose. I've said it before. Before Rock it was the Terry show and you know it. Terry still won in the animes & Kim didn't really give Terry a hard time. It was on youtube a while back. It was quite a short fight. I doubt Terry had a scratch on him. I don't remember the fight w/Andy so it's possible you're right about that. Terry beats gods while the others are on the sidelines. Yes dude don't start on the Animes as they do nothing but prove my point. It seems you have to look into non-canon animes just to look for a Terry loss. Terry & no one else still beat Krauser in the end. Goenitz still beat Kyo's ass. Terry vs. anybody from FF before Rock is a surefire victory for Terry same as it's always been. Don't kid yourself. I would have been happy w/Andy helping Terry out. I'm not being slick about it. Andy is Terry's bro and he ain't even in some of the games nowadays. Come on now. FF is all about Terry until Rock shows up & then Rock has to share the spotlight w/him

😆 The Terry show huh?...now called The Kyo and Iori show. Dude in the animes, Terry no way in hell breezed past Kim OR Andy for that matter...look how long both of them went back and fourth. I mentioned MOTW'S since you feel that Terry always defeats the boss in "FF". Look into non-canon animes to find Terry's loss you say?....I was trying to speculate to you even in the animes Terry did not breeze past or is high above anyone else.

I already stated I blame SNK for not putting more emphasis on Andy and other deserving characters which is sad since he is overshawdowed by his girlfriend. Bottomline is Terry has been overshadowed by both Kyo and Iori and I can say "and you know it"

If you havent noticed both FF and MOTW'S have not been in motion for awhile the FF arc was from 91-98 and MOTW'S I believe in 99...thats it. KOF is still in motion and ah yes Mr Kusanagi looks to be making the top spot again. Others have also speculated that even though when K' was introduced as the new main character in 99, Kyo was still playing a major role and as I have stated now since playmore revived the Orochi arc, Kyo is sure to have top spot again. Meanwhile in MOTW'S Terry did pass the torch to Rock.

"People here seem to think it started w/Kyo when they did worse w/Terry years ago."

How is that may I ask? when Fatal Fury debuted in 91, Terry in no way shape or form was stealing the spotlight from anybody. The character that came before him was Athena and her game debuted in 87 which was more like an adventure game not fighting. Even though Ryo's story was first, in Reality Terry came first(FF in 91 AOF in 92). Terry was not stealing anyone's spotlight and "KOF" was invented in FF. Then here comes Kyo and out of nowhere and robs the spotlight and even got to Rival Ryu in SNK vs Capcom franchises and has been the main focus for quite sometime.

Let me put it this way...if Kyo had come before Terry and all of a sudden Mr. Bogard shows up and got all of the undeserving attention, at the expense of Kyo I am pretty sure alot of Kyo's fans would pissed off and I would understand that completley. Though as I said it's playmore's fault. I recall you stating how SNK makes it seem “if you ain’t the hero…….FU*K YOU!!”...thats funny. I think it's more like if you ain't the main character and do not use flames.....FU*K YOU!!!...yeah more like that.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Hey brain. There you are. You accused somebody's liking of a certain character of influcencing their decision. I dont want to start a dumb a$$ internet "fight", but I thought I'd show you, since you asked.

Originally posted by Sado22
SNK has three stupid timelines:
FF/AoF timeline which is the original timeline as in this thing Ryo is 15 years older than Terry and hence the reason why HE is the first kof champion of all time.

Originally posted by Sado22
Kof timeline is the regular timeline where Ryo and Terry are contemporaries.

Originally posted by Sado22
KoF MI is the other timeline. here EVERYONE is a ****ing contemporary 😠 even Rock and Terry.

Originally posted by Sado22
no what i meant was that Ryu is NEVER SHOWN to have any character flaws so to speak. he's that perfect guy who does everything right, comes to places on time, never pisses anyone off blah blah blah. you know the goody two shoe thing. i wasn't talking in terms of his fighting but his character as a whole.

Originally posted by Sado22
the canon results are:
some sources say that Terry won the fight and then fought Grant with whom he barely won. he suffered a lot of injuries cuz Grant is the AKUMA of the series and couldn't fight. Rock, therefor, went ahead on default and faced kain. however, some claim that before they could even start a their fight, Grant came and challenged them at which Terry opted to take him on all by himself so as to make sure Rock got ahead (winning the tourny meant more to Rock than to Terry since Rock had to know his lineage).

Originally posted by olympian
And here it is, 15 min be dammed:

1- In a storywise point id say it is, however, i guess its in the eye of the beholder. My take is that Kyo when he first showed up, relied alot more in his plot device to make him stand out that necessarily grand figthing skills like Terry or Geese.

Originally posted by olympian
2- If i find the quote ill post it. I got the impression that it was exactly what you meant. About the fight, it was a reaction to the impression the said quote left on me. If that was canon it would only mean they are in the same tier under that story. Not that you would agree with that either.

Originally posted by olympian
3- I think you’ll find that it was Ryu who *lost* to Dan after the latter received a certain training from a demon, but feel free to check it out.

Originally posted by olympian
4- I actually dont know if he did, truth to be told. That game is somewhat a rarity around the west. But thats not the point and here since im sure of what you said, i have to insist. You objected his place in the realm of SNK not regarding him as important. I just showed you that he does.

Originally posted by olympian
5- You dont need one. The planning and production team of both original franchises was the same. We know they designed both games and we know that for watherver the reason they left and created another game alike. They *invented* the style. They created it.

Originally posted by olympian
6- Only with the correct teamwork. I dont view Shingo as a major factor other than providing number. If Shingo goes down early, Terry in my view, wins.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
😆 The Terry show huh?...now called The Kyo and Iori show. Dude in the animes, Terry no way in hell breezed past Kim OR Andy for that matter...look how long both of them went back and fourth. I mentioned MOTW'S since you feel that Terry always defeats the boss in "FF". Look into non-canon animes to find Terry's loss you say?....I was trying to speculate to you even in the animes Terry did not breeze past or is high above anyone else.

I already stated I blame SNK for not putting more emphasis on Andy and other deserving characters which is sad since he is overshawdowed by his girlfriend. Bottomline is Terry has been overshadowed by both Kyo and Iori and I can say "and you know it"

If you havent noticed both FF and MOTW'S have not been in motion for awhile the FF arc was from 91-98 and MOTW'S I believe in 99...thats it. KOF is still in motion and ah yes Mr Kusanagi looks to be making the top spot again. Others have also speculated that even though when K' was introduced as the new main character in 99, Kyo was still playing a major role and as I have stated now since playmore revived the Orochi arc, Kyo is sure to have top spot again. Meanwhile in MOTW'S Terry did pass the torch to Rock.

"People here seem to think it started w/Kyo when they did worse w/Terry years ago."

How is that may I ask? when Fatal Fury debuted in 91, Terry in no way shape or form was stealing the spotlight from anybody. The character that came before him was Athena and her game debuted in 87 which was more like an adventure game not fighting. Even though Ryo's story was first, in Reality Terry came first(FF in 91 AOF in 92). Terry was not stealing anyone's spotlight and "KOF" was invented in FF. Then here comes Kyo and out of nowhere and robs the spotlight and even got to Rival Ryu in SNK vs Capcom franchises and has been the main focus for quite sometime.

Let me put it this way...if Kyo had come before Terry and all of a sudden Mr. Bogard shows up and got all of the undeserving attention, at the expense of Kyo I am pretty sure alot of Kyo's fans would pissed off and I would understand that completley. Though as I said it's playmore's fault. I recall you stating how SNK makes it seem “if you ain’t the hero…….FU*K YOU!!”...thats funny. I think it's more like if you ain't the main character and do not use flames.....FU*K YOU!!!...yeah more like that.

Wanted this in my last post: Grant's ending . Notice how him beating Kain is unusual in Grant's own opinion. Kain's the boss for a reason

Originally posted by brainchild81
You're kinda proving my point though w/your 1st lines. Terry show = 1 person raised far above all others. Unless of course you can name somebody from FF who Terry wouldn't beat? Kyo & Iori show = @ least Kyo's sharing the spotlight and not hogging all the glory. They can actually get KOed once in a while. Terry never had to steal the spotlight in FF because it was focused on him & only him hard since day one. Next time you see the anime fight w/Kim & Terry. Time it. See how short of a time it took for Terry to beat him. See how unhurt Terry is too. I'm not sure about the other fights. I'd have to see the film again and I'd honestly rather not.

Wanted this in my last post: Grant's ending . Notice how him beating Kain is unusual in Grant's own opinion. Kain's the boss for a reason

Proving your point on what? My first line was stating how Terry never breezed past any of his opponents in the anime and in the game. Actually the Terry/Kim would have been longer(Noticing how they they did not show the entire fight) and Terry fighting Andy was much longer the brothers were fighting till almost night...I wish they could have shown the entire fight. Terry was exhausted when Fighting Andy and he was worn out when fighting Kim not to mention he was not in tip top shape after his fight with Krauser.

"I'm not sure about the other fights. I'd have to see the film again and I'd honestly rather not."

Good for you.

What does Kyo and Iori getting KOed have to do with them hogging the spotlight? At Least in MOTW'S as I have said Terry passed the torch to Rock even though as you claim he shares the spotlight with him. I really exepct to see Kyo as the main character in KOF again pushing the other fighters that dont have anything to do with Orochi behind.

Speaking on stealing the spotlight, Fatal Fury was focused on Terry yes the way AOF is focused on Ryo(well not 3)and SS focused on Haohmaru. I actually had no problem with Kyo back in 94 cause I believe I stated Terry cant always hog the spotlight. Though I am sorry when the Kyo and Iori deal surfaced, talk about attention.

And it's never been stated that Kyo can curstomp Terry which I hear alot of.

Man.....i just don't come here for 2 days and look how far this place has gone. Personally I'm up for everyone being entitled to their own opinion but whatever......this cowboy versus indians thing is getting pretty interesting....in its own twisted way.

The 2nd one makes more sense than the 1st one. If Terry beat Rock, Rock wouldn’t have been able to beat Kain, because he wouldn’t have been good enough or in good enough condition to beat him. Seems pretty obvious that Terry didn’t beat Rock. Kain’s @ good deal better than Grant. Grants ending. If Grant damn near wore Terry out, Kain would have killed him. Grant’s tough, but he’s no Akuma. I’ve heard Terry and Rock were fighting and that Grant interrupts them and Terry takes him on. Also, Rock didn’t look injured after or worn out after fighting Kain, but Kain did. Thus Rock > Terry.

Love & Peace.
~Sado

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Proving your point on what? My first line was stating how Terry never breezed past any of his opponents in the anime and in the game.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
😆 The Terry show huh?...now called The Kyo and Iori show.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Actually the Terry/Kim would have been longer(Noticing how they they did not show the entire fight) and Terry fighting Andy was much longer the brothers were fighting till almost night...I wish they could have shown the entire fight. Terry was exhausted when Fighting Andy and he was worn out when fighting Kim not to mention he was not in tip top shape after his fight with Krauser.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
What does Kyo and Iori getting KOed have to do with them hogging the spotlight? At Least in MOTW'S as I have said Terry passed the torch to Rock even though as you claim he shares the spotlight with him.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I really exepct to see Kyo as the main character in KOF again pushing the other fighters that dont have anything to do with Orochi behind.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Speaking on stealing the spotlight, Fatal Fury was focused on Terry yes the way AOF is focused on Ryo(well not 3)and SS focused on Haohmaru. I actually had no problem with Kyo back in 94 cause I believe I stated Terry cant always hog the spotlight. Though I am sorry when the Kyo and Iori deal surfaced, talk about attention.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
And it's never been stated that Kyo can curstomp Terry which I hear alot of.

Originally posted by Sado22
Man.....i just don't come here for 2 days and look how far this place has gone. Personally I'm up for everyone being entitled to their own opinion but whatever......this cowboy versus indians thing is getting pretty interesting....in its own twisted way.

Originally posted by Sado22
The fight between terry and grant lasted for a LONG time. Rock was just a spectator so he had more than enough time to regroup after the schooling Terry gave him. IF Terry had enough power to take on grant solo even after fighting Rock, I think Rock would have enough stamina to fight Kain (considering he was sitting on his ass watching Terry fight that monstrous asswipe, grant).
As for Grant ending and that being proof that Kain is stronger, it should be noticed that they were probably equal. That is also an option isn't it.

Originally posted by Sado22
Kain continuously relies on Grant for everything,

Originally posted by Sado22
so i doubt Grant is weaker than Kain....and if he is, it probably isn't by too much. they're probably evenly matched that is why Grant is surprised that Kain actually got his ass kicked by him [not to mention that it is not even canon].
As for Kain killing Terry, don't even assume that Kain is stronger than Geese. Or NIghtmare Geese. Don't underestimate Terry ("you arrogant b@stard"😉. If Terry took out Nightmare Geese solo (Andy was KO'd half way down the road)

Originally posted by Sado22
i think Kain isn't too much of a problem...of course he'd pound Terry around the whole place but to say he'd beat him....nah.

Originally posted by Sado22
Grant IS the Akuma of the series. whether or not they're evenly matched remains to be seen though if Grant can shake the earth by simply powering up......i think he can at least give Akuma a run for his money.

Originally posted by Sado22
Rock was too pissed to look tired. he had just unleashed a deadlier version of Geese's deadly rave SDM to finally beat Kain as he was getting his ass schooled and was too desperate to know of his lineage. Besides NO HERO looks tired in their ending. did you ever see ryu catching a breather in his ending? 😂

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🙂The plot device is just for Orochi fighting. The rest is Kyo. SNK constantly refers to him as a very talented slacker. He’s got plenty of skill, he just doesn’t have to train as hard for it as Terry did. He’s a naturally good fighter. Like it or not. Not a very good role model for kids though. Because it’s false. Who’s to say that if Ryu was focused that he wouldn’t have flat out FUBARED Ryo. Truth is, the ONLY thing that shows for a fact is that Ryo can beat a non-focused Ryu. Them being on the same tier can’t be proven or disproven from that fight. You assume they’re in the same tier because you want them to be, not because the fight says so. They could be, but we don’t know(&I doubt it). Still glad the fight wasn’t as you originally made it sound & many thanx for the scans. Got any more from that series?I was making that Dan beating Ryo part up to show you how crazy you sounded. That bit about the STD was the tip off. Akuma set Dan up so he could piss Ryu off & turn him into Evil Ryu. He wants him to take out Mr. Karate for him for the last time since they’ve both killed each other twice alreadyThis is one of those “eye of the beholder” things. B-1 is of no importance IMO. Is SNK making a sequel? I do. One guy’s a planner and the other’s a director. It says nothing of character designers or creators.Makes no sense. Terry’s never been able to beat Kyo by himself. Now Kyo’s got help and Terry somehow wins? Terry’s being overrated again or Kyo’s being underrated again. Probably both. [/B]

1- And the Orochi was the initial storyline, yes, yes we got it. He relied more in plot devices than actual skills. To each its own. You even admit he was a notable slacker, while a natural one. How does that makes you a notable skilled gun? Gamewise every character is skilled, some more than others. But storywise its what he was. A natural slacker who relied heavily on his plot device.

2- We already discussed that figth. He wouldnt because we saw Ryo handling him accordingly with he level of skills that Ryu was showing at the time. No huge gap was confirmed. Had Ryo been showed to having problems dealing with even a non focused Ryu, then a huge gap would be between both and thus his win would be just *luck* like you put it.

3- You ask games where he had plot importance and was a star and i give you one thats neither: AOF and KOF (neither crossovers related with KOF) and you still talk like there wasent?. No, no sequel until now, but guess what. The latest related game of the FF story doesnt have a sequel so far either. Not important too, id take?

Both Ryo and Terry have more importance to the KOF history and way more related appearances than Kyo. Simple. Its no wonder that Ryo shows up/is mentioned in every plot of these games. Surely SNK(P) doesnt agree with your take on the character.

4- *planner*.*producer*.*director*.*developded*. Not a single word means anything to you. The heads that created and designed both franchises. Sorry Brain, cant help you on that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_%28video_game%29

5- Your talking gamewise, and im talking storywise. in-game any character can beat the other. Storywise, who the heck is Shingo to face Terry and pose a great challenge?

Terry has more offensive game, more versability, more skills and more power damage. Add storyline experience and track record and Shingo can kiss the floor 🥷

"They didn’t show the whole Kim/Terry fight? Really don’t remember that. Anyway, as Sado said, lets not get into the animes. They aren't canon. I notice that you still haven’t listed anybody who’d beat Terry from the FF cast. Hell, just give me 2 that would stalemate him. I challenge you."

Stalemate you say?....challenge you say?....that's easy I believe Yamazaki, Geese, Sakako(gotta look more into his story)his little brother (yes he is very underrated)

"If Sado is right & Terry somehow managed to beat Rock, how is that passing the torch? FF was focused on making one person named Terry look good always. KOF @least tries to have others shine every once and a while & the heroes are capable of losing."

😆 😆 for those characters that arent Kyo and Iori you mean. I guess it looks the same since The Japan Team won KOF 94 over Fatal Fury,AOF, Ikari Warriors,Pyscho soldiers making Kyo look good above them... even his own teammates. The one thing I appreciated in the KOF series is KOF 99 Is the creation of K' which had great potentional cause it was someone other than Kyo being in the center for a change.

"Can’t argue w/that. I honestly want them to take the series in a new direction also(Rock)"

Doubtful. As I said if playmore can get off their assess and continue Rocks storyline that would be great...though it will be as tricker said a Kyo wankfest.

"You cleared up the AOF thing yourself w/AOF 3. While SS focused on Haohmaru, he has a clear rival in Genjuro. I’ve heard ‘juro even beat him before. Whereas preRock Garou was a “Terry kicks everybody’s @ss w/out a doubt and whenever he’s not kicking @ss he somehow avoids losing” fest I don’t think Terry ever stole the spotlight. He’s never had to cause he always had it squarely on him & only him."

Genjuro was about to kill Haohmaru which is why Caffine Niccotine decided to teach Hahomaru from what I remember. THE POINT I AM MAKING is Kyo shined at the expense of Fatal fury and AOF.

"Is that anywhere near as bad as him somehow beating Kyo & Shingo together? Seriously though. If them drawing w/each other indicates equality, Terry = Kyo. But somehow here on the 100% unbiased KMC forum Terry >Kyo + Shingo. Does that honestly make any sense? If I said Kyo could beat Terry & Shingo together, you’d castrate me Hell, O.Iori fights damn near everybody @ once and here @ least one person thinks Terry can take him by himself. We need more logic and less emotion here folks. Seriously guys. Just ‘cause you like a character more than another shouldn’t mean you have to pick them to win when almost all logic says otherwise. Picking your fave character to lose doesn’t make him any less of a good character nor does it make you any less of a good fan."

Wow dont even know what to think of that statement. 😮 Now you are saying people are basied when it comes to Terry because I and Olympian stated that Terry could take OUT Shingo first, because he is still very green somehow you seem to have a problem understanding that. If I were Terry baised as you state, then I would have said Terry beats Ryu(Which I didn't) or when it was you or someone else mention could Terry fight Kyo and Iori togther which i said no as well as God Rugal. Less emotion that makes me laugh. God for bid if someone said if they thought Terry could beat Iori on the TerryvsIori you are quick to defend. I will also admit there are times when I got emotinal.

"Seriously guys. Just ‘cause you like a character more than another shouldn’t mean you have to pick them to win when almost all logic says otherwise. Picking your fave character to lose doesn’t make him any less of a good character nor does it make you any less of a good fan."

Again bull. I believe I already mentioned countless times Terry can win and he can lose(to me)he has his ups and his downs.

Originally posted by olympian
1- And the Orochi was the initial storyline, yes, yes we got it. He relied more in plot devices than actual skills. To each its own. You even admit he was a notable slacker, while a natural one. How does that makes you a notable skilled gun? Gamewise every character is skilled, some more than others. But storywise its what he was. A natural slacker who relied heavily on his plot device.

Originally posted by olympian
2- We already discussed that figth. He wouldnt because we saw Ryo handling him accordingly with he level of skills that Ryu was showing at the time. No huge gap was confirmed. Had Ryo been showed to having problems dealing with even a non focused Ryu, then a huge gap would be between both and thus his win would be just *luck* like you put it.

Originally posted by olympian
3- You ask games where he had plot importance and was a star and i give you one thats neither: AOF and KOF (neither crossovers related with KOF) and you still talk like there wasent?. No, no sequel until now, but guess what. The latest related game of the FF story doesnt have a sequel so far either. Not important too, id take?

Originally posted by olympian
Both Ryo and Terry have more importance to the KOF history

Originally posted by olympian
and way more related appearances than Kyo.

Originally posted by olympian
Simple. Its no wonder that Ryo shows up/is mentioned in every plot of these games. Surely SNK(P) doesnt agree with your take on the character.

Originally posted by olympian
4- *planner*.*producer*.*director*.*developded*. Not a single word means anything to you. The heads that created and designed both franchises. Sorry Brain, cant help you on that.

Originally posted by olympian
5- Your talking gamewise, and im talking storywise. in-game any character can beat the other. Storywise, who the heck is Shingo to face Terry and pose a great challenge?

Terry has more offensive game, more versability, more skills and more power damage. Add storyline experience and track record and Shingo can kiss the floor 🥷

Originally posted by P-Geyser

Stalemate you say?....challenge you say?....that's easy I believe Yamazaki, Geese, Sakako(gotta look more into his story)his little brother (yes he is very underrated)

Originally posted by P-Geyser
😆 😆 for those characters that arent Kyo and Iori you mean.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Genjuro was about to kill Haohmaru which is why Caffine Niccotine decided to teach Hahomaru from what I remember. THE POINT I AM MAKING is Kyo shined at the expense of Fatal fury and AOF.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Wow dont even know what to think of that statement. 😮 Now you are saying people are basied when it comes to Terry because I and Olympian stated that Terry could take OUT Shingo first, because he is still very green somehow you seem to have a problem understanding that.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
If I were Terry baised as you state, then I would have said Terry beats Ryu(Which I didn't) or when it was you or someone else mention could Terry fight Kyo and Iori togther which i said no as well as God Rugal. Less emotion that makes me laugh. God for bid if someone said if they thought Terry could beat Iori on the TerryvsIori you are quick to defend. I will also admit there are times when I got emotinal.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I think Terry can beat Bison.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Yes I believe Terry can take out Orochi Iori.

"Zaki it seems should be able to beat him, but we know SNK'd never let that happen. Geese? How many times has he fought Terry & how many times have he stalemated him? Never heard of Sakako. Who's lil bro is he?"

I meant Ryuji stalemating not beating since you asked me....Sakaku is cool character in FF 3. The little Bro I was mentioning was Andy.

"Nah. They've been laid out b4. Unlike some heroes."

Who has Iori been laid out by other than getting his powers swiped from Ash.

"Which doesn't seem to make any sense & points to a serious case of Terry bias"

Ah but once again you made the mistake. I THINK he can take him not that "Terry beats Bison by the skin of his teeth"....thats just like saying

"Terry has a very slight chance against Kyo. Terry just ain't getting it done against Iori. More experienced, yes. More powerful? Hell to the no!!" Thats Kyo and MOST DEFINATLEY IORI BIASED.

"And? Terry shined @ the expense of FF too."

Ah but FF was centered around Terry's story. I gave you a scenerio if it had been Terry robbing Kyo's spotlight. KOF is centered around Kyo' story I get that the problem is characters that are important get sidelined. You state how Terry hogs the spotlight in FF.....the only difference is Kyo hogged the spotlight from characters that were well established and made there own mark such as Terry and Ryo.

"hich considering how Terry's never beaten regular Iori and how Terry apparently needed to be in a group of fighters to take O.Iori down & how O.Iori's beaten down a man Terry's only managed to stalemate(kyo) makes perfect sense........to the Terry biased I think you had him beating regular Rugal(not sure though) & I'm quite sure you've said other Terry biased statements. I can find them if need be. I've got nothing against you but if I said you weren't Terry biased I'd be making a falsehood. Yeah I'm quick to defend Iori. Iori gets severely underestimated here.

Bull. You constantly state that Terry has never beaten Kyo and Iori but by the same token those two have never taken out Terry. It sounds to me you are saying this due to Sado's statements....Sadou is cool and even he understands that people's opinions differ from his. As for me and my so called "Terry Biasm" I guess it's great to hear that Iori can decimate the entire KOF cast that are not boss characters...........really. I can also do some digging if need be.

"I've got nothing against you but if I said you weren't Terry biased I'd be making a falsehood."

Same thing to you my friend but put Iori's name there instead of Terry's.

"Yeah Im quick to defend Iori"

I am quick to defend Terry.

"Iori gets severely underestamated here"

I believe we went through all of this before. You know ONE SITE...Iori being the best voted KOF character on playmores own website....the many cosplays...the guy that goes through teams in the comics the way 10 obese people go through a white castle.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

I meant Ryuji stalemating not beating since you asked me....Sakaku is cool character in FF 3. The little Bro I was mentioning was Andy.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Who has Iori been laid out by other than getting his powers swiped from Ash.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Ah but once again you made the mistake. I THINK he can take him not that "Terry beats Bison by the skin of his teeth"

Originally posted by P-Geyser

.thats just like saying

"Terry has a very slight chance against Kyo. Terry just ain't getting it done against Iori. More experienced, yes. More powerful? Hell to the no!!" Thats Kyo and MOST DEFINATLEY IORI BIASED.

Originally posted by P-Geyser Ah but FF was centered around Terry's story. I gave you a scenerio if it had been Terry robbing Kyo's spotlight. KOF is centered around Kyo' story I get that the problem is characters that are important get sidelined. You state how Terry hogs the spotlight in FF.....the only difference is Kyo hogged the spotlight from characters that were well established and made there own mark such as Terry and Ryo.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

Bull. You constantly state that Terry has never beaten Kyo and Iori but by the same token those two have never taken out Terry.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
It sounds to me you are saying this due to Sado's statements....Sadou is cool and even he understands that people's opinions differ from his. As for me and my so called "Terry Biasm" I guess it's great to hear that Iori can decimate the entire KOF cast that are not boss characters...........really. I can also do some digging if need be.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

Same thing to you my friend but put Iori's name there instead of Terry's. I am quick to defend Terry.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

I believe we went through all of this before. You know ONE SITE...Iori being the best voted KOF character on playmores own website....the many cosplays...the guy that goes through teams in the comics the way 10 obese people go through a white castle.

I hope I’m not the cowboy in that analogy. I always considered the Indians to be the good guys

To be honest it is, but I doubt it’s probability. Grant is the underboss. Kain is the boss. Was Sagat = Bison? Was Billy = Geese? Was Mr.Big = Geese?

We already know you think Akuma’s stronger than Grant though & I’d agree. Terry beat Grant & I reeeeeeally don’t see him beating Akuma.

I think I actually have. More on that later

oh come to think of it, it just hit me right now:
Iori has never been defeated since KoF 95. Kyo and Iori's fights have been stalemate and some SNK person even stated, and it is common fan agreement (save some kyo fanboys) that Iori always has the upper hand in their fights until something comes up.
in KoF 97, iori even as a solo guy ploughed through all teams and reached the final to fight Kyo and his team.
in KoF 99, the only reason why K' got the spot light was because canonwise Iori and Kyo never took part in it. same with KoF 2000.
KoF 2001 had Kyo, Iori and K' defeat Ignitz. it was like KoF 97 but this time the fray included K' as well.
KoF 2003 again Kyo, Iori and Chizuru weren't beaten as a team they just went away to check out the broken seal where homo-lesbian-faggoty-queer boy ASH showed up and stole that useless chizuru's power.
KoF XI had Iori lose to ASH, though according to your analysis the only reason was that he was tired after putting away Kyo and Shingo.

so going with the sequence of your "terry criticsim" the most overrated mofo is Iori then isn't it?
just a thought. feel free to explain urself.

See ya around.
~Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
me too. now leave Terry Bogard alone you stupid cowboy! 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
agreed but what is different is that Kain and Grant have known each other since they were kids. as a child Kain was a weak little pussball and it was only later that somehow he worked his way up or something. Grant on the other hand was always devastatingly strong. so that is where my theory comes up from. of course, you could be right too.if you look at my site, i actually stated that Terry would lose to Akuma. Though Terry has held his own against godtier characters even under 2-on-1 conditions (him fighting the jin twins). so there you go...i agree Akuma is probably too much for Terry to handle given how Capcom over rate that stupid red haired, dark skinned fruitcake (reference to Akuma's gayass ponytail). I just said that Grant can give Akuma a tough time given his strength which is also makes it come across as godtier.

Originally posted by Sado22
now i know you're lying!
Ryu never any tournament to begin with, save SF1 😂
but seriously though...the only hero i ever saw catching his breath was haohmaru after his fight with whatshisname.....amakusa.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh come to think of it, it just hit me right now:
Iori has never been defeated since KoF 95. Kyo and Iori's fights have been stalemate and some SNK person even stated, and it is common fan agreement (save some kyo fanboys) that Iori always has the upper hand in their fights until something comes up.
in KoF 97, iori even as a solo guy ploughed through all teams and reached the final to fight Kyo and his team.

Originally posted by Sado22
in KoF 99, the only reason why K' got the spot light was because canonwise Iori and Kyo never took part in it. same with KoF 2000.
KoF 2001 had Kyo, Iori and K' defeat Ignitz. it was like KoF 97 but this time the fray included K' as well.
KoF 2003 again Kyo, Iori and Chizuru weren't beaten as a team they just went away to check out the broken seal where homo-lesbian-faggoty-queer boy ASH showed up and stole that useless chizuru's power.
KoF XI had Iori lose to ASH, though according to your analysis the only reason was that he was tired after putting away Kyo and Shingo.

Originally posted by Sado22
so going with the sequence of your "terry criticsim" the most overrated mofo is Iori then isn't it?
just a thought. feel free to explain urself.