Terry & Ryu Vs Kyo & Iori

😆 Almost. Take Shingo, Beni, Goro & K' off & put like Goenitz on there or something. Then it'll be party time bro 💃

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Seriously nothing. Still does not prove that he is this genious of fighting that you love to to state. What it mentions is that he is the heir to the Kusanagi throne. Whats so hard for that not to grasp?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Exactly... when people blurt out heinous things.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
So that means Iori does not run through every person he encounters thats all I am sayin.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
hahaha.......I would say f**k you 😠 ... but nevermind....I was trying to type fast so I mispelled that one word wrong. Offensive...how? saying that certain people are "ignorant"(ARE YOU HAPPY THERE PAL?)for not knowing the character of Ryo?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
.I did laugh at about two jokes but still was trying to stick up for Ryo.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Since you were stating how Iori gets constantly underrated in here, I guess that implies to Ryo as well.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Wow isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. You must need help yourself since I was being a wiseguy like certain people. Again since I have to go over this with you I recall telling you that TERRY HAS HIS UPS AND HE HAS HIS DOWNS!!!!!....TERRY AND RYU STALEMATE!...TERRY LOSES TO GOD RUGAL, TERRY WOULD LOSE IF HE WERE TO FACE BOTH KYO AND IORI....I also think Terry would lose to Akuma as well. It obviously seems that you wont be satisfied until Terry loses period.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Sad truth?...improvment?...who the f**ck do you think you are to tell someone that? How many Terry fans do you know who said that?....The only one that said that was trickster...not sure about the others. I want to ask Sado about that. As for your comment on my stating about take on

Originally posted by P-Geyser
, I will change that with either stalemate OR gets his ass handed to him if that would so you make you happy 😮

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I have mixed feelings from Sado's opinion's...

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I think Terry and O. Iori would stalemate

In case you two didn't notice, the nature of Iori's recent defeat of Kyo knocks him off his golden pillar. Iori was at less than his normal power, much less the boost he normally has with the blood riot. So, if they were all at 50% of their power following magaki, then Kyo&Shingo got beat by a weakened Iori when according to Brain, Iori only stalemated with Kyo previously. Now, I like Iori better than Kyo. I despise Kyo, but this is bull. The way Falcoon set this up is almost as bad as Alba Meira. However, it gives P-Geyser a club to use on you. If a weakened Iori beat Kyo and Shingo like that, then Terry has a more than fair chance of beating Kyo. And he might actually beat Kyo&Shingo. As for O. Iori vs. Terry, here's one key reason why Terry can win. O. Iori is blood stupid. He's a berserker, which means he can't think. So, Terry could outsmart him. Hell, Geese could also beat O. Iori. He's an extremely smart fighter and the atemi nage would let him wear O. Iori out, not to mention the raging storm.

yes, I was saying that O. Iori could beat Terry, but I thought about it and comapred the way Iori and O. Iori fight, canon-wise. (Not counting gameplay, talking about storywise.) O. Iori has never shown the ability to reason or think. In exchange for his mind and control, he gains a massive power boost normally and a drive to kill everything in front of him. This time, he didn't get the boost. So, this makes Iori far weaker than normal, since without the power boost, blood riot is useless. Ash said he was weaker, and to top it off, they were all at less than half their normal powers to begin with. Thanks to Falcoon, the following equation now holds, with canon evidence to support it. Terry>Iori>Kyo. Kyo&Iori used to be equal, but later Kyo turned out to weaker than Iori. Kyo was supposed to be able to hold his own against the likes of Terry. Therefore, Terry is more powerful than Kyo&Iori.

Top that. 😮‍💨

😆 Kyo IMO ain't never been equal to Iori. Kyo had been "saved by the bell" in his fights w/him. Kyo @ worst is = Terry So the equation remains Iori>Kyo>Terry. O.Iori can think, but it's only about hurtin' & killin' folk. I would't let him do my taxes, but so far he's gotten by just fine as far as hurting folk goes. Geese (as he should be, not the way SNK seems to job him out to every good guy he fights) should be able to hold Iori off until help arrives or find a way to escape. This is like fighting a really fast bear that knows martial arts. Few things are as bad as Alba

& I have to see exactly what Ash said in English. Was Iori weak 'cause of the fighting so much, or because that other power Ash stole was used to seal Orochi? & I think O.Iori had reason enough to not attack Kyo when fighting Orochi

"Are you going to sit there & try to tell me Kyo's not a naturally good fighter? That he has to train as much as the others do to compete w/them? Read up on Kyo & get back to me. His win quote from KOFX says it all. "You lack devotion. Constant effort is the key. Wha? Me? I’m the exception.”

Yes. I said Kyo has martial arts of the Kusanagi but because his ability to USE crimson flames does not mean that he is a naturally gifted fighter and superior to others. I am looking at his profile on whipkea and to see that they somehow changed it...now stating he is born into the Kusanagi martial arts...though I hear an awful lot on how Whipkea is not a reliable source.

"As in things you don’t agree with? About fictional characters? What are you like 5 or something? It’s really not that serious."

Wow that was good one 5 years old....😮 another Brainchild81 classic. Not really.

"Not really. Could mean SNK don’t wanna alienate fans of the other characters. Fans who might not be able to tolerate them being schooled by Mr.Yagami."

Nah...just that Mr Yagami is NOT kicking ass the way some folks hype him up to be.

"Not knowing him in your opinion. No need to call us ignorant. Should I call you ignorant for not knowing about Kyo? Nah. I’m better & more mature than that & I realize Kyo ain’t my cousin. He’s a fictional
character, just like lame @$$ lame-o. I mean Ryo.."

Um....no it does not. Actually that ignorant statement was meant for you(could not help saying that...sorry) "Better and more mature"....HAHAHAHAHAHAH.....no. See as I have STATED TO YOU before, Kyo has martial arts knowledge, but that does not make him a naturally gifted fighter....I suppose if Michael Jackson was able to weild flames that would that make him a naturally gifted fighter?..as I said I checked the whipkea dictonary and apparently they made a mistake....hey others here have said that whipkea is usually not a reliable source.

"they couldn’t have been that lame if you laughed @them unless of course you have an equally lame sense of humor."

Nah just those two statments the others were about as entertaining as watching a marathon of golf. You know I shudder to think if things were said about Iori here the way they are said about Ryo.lookaround

"Nah. He’s rated exactly where he should be."

wow...just wow. Sado would think otherwise....you know the guy you said is logical...which he is.

"Which would explain why I only have him losing to a handful of nonbosses. Once again you make perfect logical sense"

I guess you make perfect logical sense as well 😉 . Seeing how I hear how Terry's fans can't take it if he loses scenerio...just stating that is not the case. I could say Terry beats most fighters that are non bossess like a certain Iori.

"Translation: I love Terry & hate Iori. Therefore it’s very hard for me to admit O.Iori would hand Terry’s @ss to him. Even though O.Iori has done what Terry hasn’t(beat Kyo. Laid him the f**k out) even while Kyo had help(versus Iori, not Terry). Hell. I’ll say Terry can beat Kyo & Shingo together too. Even though Terry hasn’t been able to beat Kyo when he’s by himself. I love Terry & hate the flame users that much dammit! I’ll even be surprised when other Terry fans use logic over emotions. Did I forget to mention how much I love Terry? No? What about how much I hate Iori? No? Good

Wow thats as tasteless as Kramer using the N-WORD. How about this translation. I love Iori and hate Terry. See the thing is Terry is an average guy at best. The only reason why I even think he is okay..well almost okay, is because he trained my Idol lord and savior Rock Howard. Kyo and Iori are the fighting gods of SNK...and even though fighters like Terry,Ryo and Ryu trained to become the seasoned vets that they are, that does not mean shit when compared to Kyo. Since Kyo is a natural, he tops that and he can curbstomp Terry and Ryo anyday of the week. As well did you folks know that Terry and Ryo lose in a tag match against Kyo and Iori because Ryo is LAME! and his head gets knocked off and shit like that. I really am happy if Terry loses and god forbid if you say you think he beats Iori than you will be beheaded by a bunch of al queda soldiers. I so much love Iori and Rock and hate Terry and Ryo the way Adolf thought so highly of Anne Frank......well waitaminit I say I dont hate Terry(though I actually do 😉 😄

"Awwwwwww"

Awwwwww?......seems like you are hanging on to his every word.

"Even though he beat a team(kyo/Shingo) that Terry didn’t manage to beat the tougher half of? Why do you think this? I honestly would like to hear your opinion."

😆 😆 😆 ...Trickster answered it for me.

"Almost. Take Shingo, Beni, Goro & K' off & put like Goenitz on there or something. Then it'll be party time bro"

Nah those fighters belong there. And we should toast to Iori's victories.

Lets see Iori can beat

Terry
Ryo
Ken
The Whole FATAL FURY,AOF,PS and IK cast.
Ryu
Bison
Geese
Yamazaki
Goku
Vegeta
Broly.......yeah man you know he can 😉 😆

I can see Iori using Triple H's saying....I am THE Yagami...because I am that DAMN GOOD!!

Man.....you guys need to know about the immortal words of Vash the Stampede. now be good boys and repeat this after me:

This world

is only made of

LOVE AND PEACE!!!

say it:
love and peace
love and peace
love and peace
😮‍💨

anyway

Nah. If it was I'd load up the gun for you. Terry's SNK'S most original & respectable hero. Ryo's the most unoriginal & least respectable. Ken,Ryu,Kyo,Iori & he stalemates w/Rock(for now but if the young but talented beyond his years fighter is allowed to develop as he should he'll be beating every person involved in this post).

Now lets analyze your comment. needless to say feel free to argue.

Ryu vs. Terry:
comparing their experience, Terry's been on the streets since he was 10. Ryu only knew dojo fighting till he was 23 (SF1). 23 onwards he's fought on the streets. so experience wise, Terry>Ryu.
next comes their careers. we are comparing prime Ryu (33) to prime Terry (35). canon wise Ryu was defeated by all god tier characters, Bison, Rose, Akuma, Oro. he was also beaten by the regular tough characters like Ken, Sagat, and possibly Hugo too. Canonwise, Terry is still unbeaten in his illustrious 25 year fighting career spanning from the age of 10 to 35. Canonwise Terry is unbeaten and has even fought god tier characters like Geese, Jin twins (which was a two on one fight) and even Yamazaki (believe it or not he is actually god tier in the FF world KO almost the whole cast and still fighting Terry to stalemate. he is toned down in KoF world for a reason that is bizarre). In RB, apparenly as said, Terry finally defeated Yamazaki cuz he HAD to stop Geese from getting the scrolls. so career wise, Terry>Ryu.
Next comes power and speed. Terry is famous for his speed and power. His shining knuckle is literally a blur. rising tackle is really fast. even comparing their speeds in SNK vs Capcom and Capcom VS SNK, Terry's moves are A LOT faster than Ryu's. Of course Ryu fan boys would whine now that i'm comparing them in game so there now i'll stop. Terry is famous for his speed. Ryu, even canonwise, is slower as opposed to some of the other characters and is said to be more powerbased. Terry is famous for POWER AND SPEED. Terry is more balanced between the two extremes of combat while Ryu is only powerful and not terribly fast. Terry, as mentioned, has the ability to literally move like a blur. so in this department too, Terry>Ryu. have i mentioned unbeaten yet?
fighting heart. Ryu's been defeated. period. also in times when he was faced with mental turmoil he gave in. when bison was trying to possess him, ryu, the true warrior, gave in. anytime he fought people tougher than him he lost. Terry on the other hand never even let the dark side come NEAR him. he never gave up even when facing godtier characters and always pushed on. that is "heart". ryu doesn't have that much heart...mainly cuz he's a selfish and pursues fighting for selfish reasons. he doesnt fight for anyone.
Personality. nothing to say here. should also be mentioned that while ryu fanboys would always rub in our face that Ryu is true warrior, the bottom line is that Terry never:
-cheap shotted anyone to win
-was never so desperate to win a fight to fall to new lows
-had trouble with his dark side like 24/7 for years (ryu's dark hadou bullshit spanned from 23 to 25)
-isn't selfish and fights for himself. terry fights for others as well. his reason for fighting were never, solely, self possessed.

so from all standards, the way i see it, Terry is the true warrior. he didn't do the above and also
-dedicated his whole life to fighting
-disciplined himself enough to stay focused only on fighting instead of "must win at all cost".
-though defeated by time over/stalemated against, terry stayed focused and even a good champion by congradulating his opponents.
-he also has the personality and heart to raise his sworn enemy's son. ryu doesn't even remember what gouken told him about stopping gouki. shame.

so....if he can beat ryu. I think Ken, who is less skilled, will also be defeated. more on the rest in the next post.

In case you two didn't notice, the nature of Iori's recent defeat of Kyo knocks him off his golden pillar. Iori was at less than his normal power, much less the boost he normally has with the blood riot. So, if they were all at 50% of their power following magaki, then Kyo&Shingo got beat by a weakened Iori when according to Brain, Iori only stalemated with Kyo previously. Now, I like Iori better than Kyo. I despise Kyo, but this is bull. The way Falcoon set this up is almost as bad as Alba Meira. However, it gives P-Geyser a club to use on you. If a weakened Iori beat Kyo and Shingo like that, then Terry has a more than fair chance of beating Kyo. And he might actually beat Kyo&Shingo. As for O. Iori vs. Terry, here's one key reason why Terry can win. O. Iori is blood stupid. He's a berserker, which means he can't think. So, Terry could outsmart him. Hell, Geese could also beat O. Iori. He's an extremely smart fighter and the atemi nage would let him wear O. Iori out, not to mention the raging storm.

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as for the five people you mentioned. well i've told you what i think is logical argument regarding Terry vs. Ryu and Terry vs. Ken. now lets look at Kyo and Terry:
i dont see why this looks to be so hard.
firstly, the only time SNK actually mentioned to two fighting, we discovered that it was a stalemate. since then both have faced in countless KoF battles for four years consecutively and Terry would still be called unbeaten wolf. hmmm....so....i guess saying Kyo>Terry would be an overstatement since they've both stalemated against the other. and from trickster's post kinda sheds some light on their comparison now.

Terry VS Iori:
more or less same as above. terry has been known to have fought Iori as well and came out unbeaten. here is where it gets confusing since Iori from KoFXI logic definitely>>Kyo. so why would Terry and Iori be '='.
the answer is simple, IMO. terry has been mentioned to have been defeated only by time over. since he and Kyo stalemated, and Iori>Kyo, then probably those time over losses were against Iori. this is logically speaking. no doubt, i'd love to say Terry would out survive Iori which would probably be true. but going with the logic of Iori beating him by time over gives Iori the edge.
of all the people you mention here, Iori MAY be the one who could take out Terry. However, given Terry's record against godtier characters does give him some points too. so saying either will defeat the other can only be a speculation. both their careers show them to be tough, odd surviving mother****ers.
however, looking at logic, your claim has a possibility of being true.
[note: terry has the biggest fan club from SNK. even i thought it was Iori. but its terry. i'm just stating something for the record as i wanted to correct you and some posters here on that but kept on forgetting]

Rock VS. Terry:
storywise, terry doesn't even take Rock that seriously and always calls him "rookie" even before their fights much to Rock's charging. syaing Rock>terry sounds like a biased comment on your part honestly. its the type of stuff that fans say. but lets analyze.
Terry taught Rock how to fight. he knows how rock fights since he's the one who taught him. needless to say Terry's more experienced. more skilled too.
rock uses his moves and the moves of the man who even on godtier status lost to Terry (Geese). nothing new for terry...but of course nothing new for ROck too in that respect. so this argument doesn't stand.

however, it is said that Terry beat him before fighting grant. other sources claim otherwise.
frankly i don't see Rock beating terry since rock, thus far, is placed at Billy Kane's level (MI2). Terry>>>>>>>>BIlly on every occassion even as a 20 year old punk in FF1. So it clearly shows that Terry and Rock are way apart as far as level is concerned.
of course in time Rock will be skilled enough to possibly take the torch from Terry (terry passed the torch to rock by letting him go on to face Kain...but rock hasn't TAKEN it from Terry so to speak). interestnly Terry is at his peak now. if ever MOTW2 comes out terry will be past his prime which might give Rock the edge. of course, there is the possibility of "videogame fighters" who seem to only get better with age. not to mention MOTW's catch line IS, legends don't grow old they only get better. all in all it might even result in a worse spanking for rock!
all remains to be seen i guess.
now though, Terry>Rock as evidence shows.

see ya dude.
~Sado.

P.S. p-geyser and you should consider how new year and christmas is coming up. its time for love and peace!🙂

Okay, what the hell happened?

I might have to read this thread just to see how it became word wars.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Alot of the characters besides Terry have a good shot of beating Iori.

Terry,Ryo(Even though you hate him)Yamazaki,Geese,Yashiro(Iori would most likley win)Takuma as Mr Karate have more than a good shot of beating Iori.

You are the guy who thought Billy Kane was more powerful though. Read back a lil' bit in this thread. Dude has to be subdued by a group of people. Very powerful guy. 'Zaki might give him some trouble though

Originally posted by P-Geyser
...Trickster answered it for me.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Yes. I said Kyo has martial arts of the Kusanagi but because his ability to USE crimson flames does not mean that he is a naturally gifted fighter and superior to others. I am looking at his profile on whipkea and to see that they somehow changed it...now stating he is born into the Kusanagi martial arts...though I hear an awful lot on how Whipkea is not a reliable source.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Wow that was good one 5 years old....😮 another Brainchild81 classic. Not really.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Um....no it does not. Actually that ignorant statement was meant for you(could not help saying that...sorry)

Originally posted by P-Geyser
"Better and more mature"....HAHAHAHAHAHAH.....no.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
See as I have STATED TO YOU before, Kyo has martial arts knowledge, but that does not make him a naturally gifted fighter....I suppose if Michael Jackson was able to weild flames that would that make him a naturally gifted fighter?..as I said I checked the whipkea dictonary and apparently they made a mistake....hey others here have said that whipkea is usually not a reliable source.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Nah just those two statments the others were about as entertaining as watching a marathon of golf. You know I shudder to think if things were said about Iori here the way they are said about Ryo.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
wow...just wow. Sado would think otherwise....you know the guy you said is logical...which he is.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I guess you make perfect logical sense as well

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Seeing how I hear how Terry's fans can't take it if he loses scenerio...just stating that is not the case. I could say Terry beats most fighters that are non bossess like a certain Iori.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Wow thats as tasteless as Kramer using the N-WORD.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
How about this translation. I love Iori and hate Terry.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
See the thing is Terry is an average guy at best.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The only reason why I even think he is okay..well almost okay, is because he trained my Idol lord and savior Rock Howard.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Kyo and Iori are the fighting gods of SNK...and even though fighters like Terry,Ryo and Ryu trained to become the seasoned vets that they are, that does not mean shit when compared to Kyo Since Kyo is a natural

Originally posted by P-Geyser
, he tops that and he can curbstomp Terry and Ryo anyday of the week. As well did you folks know that Terry and Ryo lose in a tag match against Kyo and Iori because Ryo is LAME! and his head gets knocked off and shit like that.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I really am happy if Terry loses

Originally posted by P-Geyser
and god forbid if you say you think he beats Iori than you will be beheaded by a bunch of al queda soldiers.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I so much love Iori and Rock and hate Terry and Ryo the way Adolf thought so highly of Anne Frank......well waitaminit I say I dont hate Terry(though I actually do 😉

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Awwwwww?......seems like you are hanging on to his every word.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Okay, what the hell happened?

I might have to read this thread just to see how it became word wars.

Originally posted by Sado22
Man.....you guys need to know about the immortal words of Vash the Stampede. now be good boys and repeat this after me:

This world

is only made of

LOVE AND PEACE!!!

say it:
love and peace
love and peace
love and peace
😮‍💨

Originally posted by Sado22
well its nice to see that at least you're not taking that away from Terry🙂

Originally posted by Sado22
Now lets analyze your comment. needless to say feel free to argue.

Ryu vs. Terry:
comparing their experience, Terry's been on the streets since he was 10. Ryu only knew dojo fighting till he was 23 (SF1). 23 onwards he's fought on the streets. so experience wise, Terry>Ryu.
next comes their careers. we are comparing prime Ryu (33) to prime Terry (35). canon wise Ryu was defeated by all god tier characters, Bison, Rose, Akuma, Oro. he was also beaten by the regular tough characters like Ken, Sagat, and possibly Hugo too.

Originally posted by Sado22
Canonwise, Terry is still unbeaten in his illustrious 25 year fighting career spanning from the age of 10 to 35. Canonwise Terry is unbeaten and has even fought god tier characters like Geese

Originally posted by Sado22
, Jin twins (which was a two on one fight)

Originally posted by Sado22
and even Yamazaki (believe it or not he is actually god tier in the FF world KO almost the whole cast and still fighting Terry to stalemate. he is toned down in KoF world for a reason that is bizarre). In RB, apparenly as said, Terry finally defeated Yamazaki cuz he HAD to stop Geese from getting the scrolls.

Originally posted by Sado22
so career wise, Terry>Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22
Next comes power and speed. Terry is famous for his speed and power. His shining knuckle is literally a blur. rising tackle is really fast. even comparing their speeds in SNK vs Capcom and Capcom VS SNK, Terry's moves are A LOT faster than Ryu's. Of course Ryu fan boys would whine now that i'm comparing them in game so there now i'll stop. Terry is famous for his speed. Ryu, even canonwise, is slower as opposed to some of the other characters and is said to be more powerbased. Terry is famous for POWER AND SPEED. Terry is more balanced between the two extremes of combat while Ryu is only powerful and not terribly fast. Terry, as mentioned, has the ability to literally move like a blur. so in this department too, Terry>Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22
have i mentioned unbeaten yet?

Originally posted by Sado22
fighting heart. Ryu's been defeated. period. also in times when he was faced with mental turmoil he gave in. when bison was trying to possess him, ryu, the true warrior, gave in. anytime he fought people tougher than him he lost. Terry on the other hand never even let the dark side come NEAR him. he never gave up even when facing godtier characters and always pushed on. that is "heart". ryu doesn't have that much heart...mainly cuz he's a selfish and pursues fighting for selfish reasons. he doesnt fight for anyone.
Personality. nothing to say here. should also be mentioned that while ryu fanboys would always rub in our face that Ryu is true warrior, the bottom line is that Terry never:
-cheap shotted anyone to win
-was never so desperate to win a fight to fall to new lows
-had trouble with his dark side like 24/7 for years (ryu's dark hadou bullshit spanned from 23 to 25)

Originally posted by Sado22

-isn't selfish and fights for himself. terry fights for others as well. his reason for fighting were never, solely, self possessed.

so from all standards, the way i see it, Terry is the true warrior. he didn't do the above and also
-dedicated his whole life to fighting
-disciplined himself enough to stay focused only on fighting instead of "must win at all cost".
-though defeated by time over/stalemated against, terry stayed focused and even a good champion by congradulating his opponents.
-he also has the personality and heart to raise his sworn enemy's son. ryu doesn't even remember what gouken told him about stopping gouki. shame.

Originally posted by Sado22
so....if he can beat ryu. I think Ken, who is less skilled, will also be defeated. more on the rest in the next post.

Originally posted by Sado22
what he's saying makes sense. Ash and terry did face each other in KoF2003 according to some sources (apparenlty Kyo, Iori and CHizuru either left the tournament to inspect the broken seal or were never there to begin with. i believe the former). terry wasn't beaten so i assume its another draw or timeover loss for the bogard boy. going with that equation if Terry=Ash, then Terry could also take out Orochi Iori.
if orochi iori>Kyo&Shingo
then
Terry>Orochi Iori>Kyo.
so trickster is making perfect sense since he's looking at it logically. brianchild, no offense, but i think you didn't see his logic before.

***

Originally posted by Sado22
as for the five people you mentioned. well i've told you what i think is logical argument regarding Terry vs. Ryu and Terry vs. Ken. now lets look at Kyo and Terry:
i dont see why this looks to be so hard.
firstly, the only time SNK actually mentioned to two fighting, we discovered that it was a stalemate. since then both have faced in countless KoF battles for four years consecutively and Terry would still be called unbeaten wolf. hmmm....so....i guess saying Kyo>Terry would be an overstatement since they've both stalemated against the other.

Originally posted by Sado22
Terry VS Iori:
more or less same as above. terry has been known to have fought Iori as well and came out unbeaten. here is where it gets confusing since Iori from KoFXI logic definitely>>Kyo. so why would Terry and Iori be '='.
the answer is simple, IMO. terry has been mentioned to have been defeated only by time over. since he and Kyo stalemated, and Iori>Kyo, then probably those time over losses were against Iori. this is logically speaking. no doubt, i'd love to say Terry would out survive Iori which would probably be true. but going with the logic of Iori beating him by time over gives Iori the edge.

Originally posted by Sado22
however, looking at logic, your claim has a possibility of being true.
[note: terry has the biggest fan club from SNK. even i thought it was Iori. but its terry. i'm just stating something for the record as i wanted to correct you and some posters here on that but kept on forgetting

Originally posted by Sado22
Rock VS. Terry:
storywise, terry doesn't even take Rock that seriously and always calls him "rookie" even before their fights much to Rock's charging. syaing Rock>terry sounds like a biased comment on your part honestly.

Originally posted by Sado22
its the type of stuff that fans say. but lets analyze.
Terry taught Rock how to fight. he knows how rock fights since he's the one who taught him.

needless to say Terry's more experienced. more skilled too.[/B][/QUOTE]exp. yes. Skill not so sure. Rock's got a hybrid of Terry's moves AND Geeses. Terry has only Terry's. Rock's got counters and the evac toss. He also seems to be faster.

Originally posted by Sado22
however, it is said that Terry beat him before fighting grant. other sources claim otherwise.
frankly i don't see Rock beating terry since rock, thus far, is placed at Billy Kane's level (MI2). Terry>>>>>>>>BIlly on every occassion even as a 20 year old punk in FF1. So it clearly shows that Terry and Rock are way apart as far as level is concerned.

Hugo is doubtful. I didn’t even know he fought rose.

As much as I like Geese(My all time favorite boss ever. Even over Akuma. Seriously. Back when I ran x-country & track I used to fold my tank top down like Geese used to do), I don’t consider him god tier. Especially since they jobbed him out to Ryo. He’d be beaten by a lot of bosses who I like a lot less than him

Geese helped him though. Ryu never had help to my knowledge

I’m guessing he was tired from beating on everybody else. I have to find out exactly how that one ended. Kinda makes the rest of the FF cast look weak as hell doesn’t it? That’s what I’ve been trying to say. You get me now?

more to come later....friend is here. gotta run! later dude.

~Sado.

You're being facetious. In reverse order: You CANNOT compare Grant and Akuma. That's a joke. Grant is badass, but he's nowhere near as tough as Gouki.

Frankly, the jin twins are overrated IMO. Don't consider them God-tier.

Nightmare Geese.... not canon. But even with how good Terry is, I'm not sure he would win that one. Btw, in Real Bout:FF, Krauser is actually stronger than Geese.

Yes, Ryu did beat Hugo. The shinshoryuken may not have laid him out or killed him, but it wasn't designed for that. And I bet you Hugo was having a little trouble standing after that. That he was still standing is impressive, but it's abit like a TKO. It definetly took a toll on him.

Rose beating Bison.... I saw her ending in SFA2. Bison got back up and whupped her. I'm still having a hard time believing she beat Bison.

Gouken told Ryu not to pursue Gouki and let himself be consumed by satsui no hado. Given that, I'd say he'd approve more of Ken than Ryu. Ironic, a martial arts master telling his students to get a life instead of train. 😆

Yes, I actually think Terry has a 50/50 shot of beating Ryu. Same odds for Ken. I put Ken&Ryu at approximately the same level not counting satsui no hado. Ryu is somewhat better than Ken, but the difference isn't that big. Plus, Ryu's blueballs will make him lose from stress. 😆 Guy needs to get laid so he can stop being sto stodgy.

'Zaki was a beast in FF. Maybe even more powerful than Krauser and Geese. Terry beat him, but it was a uphill battle.

About my theory. I didn't neglect the general weakness. But I looked at it this way. If Iori could do that at less than 50% power, with the blood riot handicap, then he could do it at full power. They were all at approximately the same level of exhaustion. Iori was worse off because of the riot taking a toll on his body and weakening him further. So yes, Terry has a shot of beating Kyo&Shingo. He might, he might not. He has the advantage of not being blood stupid and experience. Though, O. Iori has considerable endurance and dogged persistance.

Ok, one thing pisses me off. You keep bringing up how Kyo beat Rugal. That was a team effort. 2nd, Rugal was fighting everyone else, so he was a bit drained. I think Rugal got jobbed. Chizuru herself said that they didn't beat Rugal in 95'. He self-destructed, but he was beating almost the entire 95's roster. Guy got screwed over.

As for the title fight, I like Terry, but Ryo brings him down. Not to mention Kyo&Iori have good teamwork. Ryo beat a young Geese, but that Geese wasn't a master at that point, so that doesn't count as really beating down Mr. Atemi Nage.

Last point: Don't see Rock beating Terry. Terry taught him his moves and how to fight. Maybe in about 5 years at least, he could beat Terry in a close match. Because I agree. The kid is the future and a fighting prodigy. But it will be some time before he can beat the lonely wolf.

About rose beating bison, he didn't have the psycho drive at the time, so, it's not too surprising. She won by a margin, I believe.

Originally posted by Sado22
Rose beat Bison back in SFalpha2...believe it or not and that too in a fair fight as much as it disgusts me. its canon.
hugo, i'm just using logic. if ryu couldn't stop him with his strongest move, then i doubt any other move would do the trick. get my point? i never said its canon...i just said what i think. of course i could be wrong.

Rose never fully defeated Bison, the Alpha 1 ending was retconned, and the Alpha 2 ending never took place because of the events of Alpha 3.

And I beleive the Hugo thing was already explained... Don't bring that up again please... What makes you think Terry's Power Strem would work any better?

Originally posted by Sado22
ryu took on Bison along with Ken, Sakura and Sagat that finally made him run away. alone he got owned.

Which shows you Bison's unearthly power, not Ryu's weakness... I'm not sure if you realise this, but when Bison had the Psycho Drive, he could match almost anyone you could name from any SNK made fighting game short of Orochi.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes it does. i agree.
however, Terry has faced all sorts of naturals and weird asses in the kof team. IMO you're not giving Terry his due when you say he is facing inferior competition to that of Ryu.
Ryu has mostly faced that "not" godtier characters.
say what you want, but sagat is not godtier like Nightmare Geese and ryu still lost.
Nor has Ryu ever been double teamed like how Terry was with the jin twins.
Ryu lost to Akuma. Terry beat with Grant.

Please tell me your not comparing grant to Akuma..... There is just no way grant compares to Akuma.

And lets not forget, Ryu did defeat Akuma once too... And he is the one that used the Shoryuken that put Alpha 3 Bison down, tag team or not.

And if you want to talk about win/loss records, how come Terry hasn't been seen in a KOF final match for the past 12 years?

alpha 3 doesn't retcon any event in alpha 2, with the exception of charlie's death.

Alpha 3 events take precedence, if Rose had stopped Bison in Alpha 2, then everything that happened in alpha 3 would never have happened.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Alpha 3 events take precedence, if Rose had stopped Bison in Alpha 2, then everything that happened in alpha 3 would never have happened.

What are you talking about, bison comes back in the very same ending.
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she defeats him and he ressurects, like I said all endings in alpha 2 are canon excluding charlies. Also, alpha 3 doesn't override alpha 2. It just takes place after it, it's an epilogue to the first street fighter.