Darth Vader vs. Darth Maul OR Darth Tyranus OR Gen. Grievous

Darth Vader against any one (not two) of those three. Say the duo, who would win, and why. All battles are on the Sith academy on Korriban.

he already beat maul, he already beat tyrannus in the vader vs tyranus thread and he would crush grievious with the force, vaders lack of agility will cause him to get hacked by grievious,

Originally posted by Kadesh
[B]he already beat maul,

Maul as of TPM might give him a challenge, but Vaders force mastery far outclasses Mauls. I would say Vader is physicaly stronger and has more skill with a blade. Mauls speed is better, but this alone will hardly give him the victory.

he already beat tyrannus in the vader vs tyranus thread

I smell bullsh*t.

and he would crush grievious with the force, vaders lack of agility will cause him to get hacked by grievious,

What are you saying? Your say that Vader would crush GG with the force (thus winning) but would get hacked by GG's blades (thus losing). Isnt that a tad contradictory?

I would personally say Vader wins comfortably with the force. Probably get pwned in a duel though. There is no way that Vader can contend wtih the speed of GG, especially when he wields mulitple blades. Overall he would win thanks to the force.

Lucas put Vader on Dooku and Maul's level.

That's enough for me, honestly

Actually, he put the PT duelists on a whole different level to the OT duelists. Vader is only on their level in the force.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lucas put Vader on Dooku and Maul's level.

That's enough for me, honestly

Actually he said "he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku", so the OR could actually mean anything. (Either as you say and it means they are at the same level, or that he was as strong as either Maul or as strong as Count Dooku, or neither and he is actually just another apprentice to Sidious, not his superior).
And since we have pretty much proof that Tyrannus is above Maul I'd go with that.

Vader has defeated Maul.
Vader has been proven to defeat Tyrannus.
Vader (since he's able to beat Dooku) can probably beat Grievous using the Force and saber.

The fight between Vader hasn't been confirmed as canonical. Even then, it was still only a clone of Maul, who's to say he would be exactly as powerful as the real Maul.

Where has it been proven that Vader can beat Tyranus, because this is wrong.

Yes, Vader could probably crush him like Mace did.

Vader vs. Tyrannus thread. Duh!! Over a 1000 posts, that tells you how much debate there was.

I've read through the thread, and it hasn't been proven.

OT Vader - Loses to Tyranus, beats but doesn't pwn ROTS Grievous and Maul, may possibly lose to EU Grievoud due to Grievous's speed, or may win due to his powerful Force Powers.

ROTS Vader - Beats any of them with more or less difficulty

RODV Vader - Loses to them all

Not going to touch any otehr verison of Vader.

Originally posted by Dessel
The fight between Vader hasn't been confirmed as canonical.

Are you referring to the Darth Maul versus Darth Vader match in Resurrection? If you are (and you obviously are), you are wrong. Leland Chee has confirmed that - canonically - Maul's death is part of continuity, and the events surrounding it are as well:

"The only non-continuity death listed here is Watto's. "Resurrections" under this list are in-continuity."

-- Leland Chee, Movie Character's Killed in EU, comments.

Maul's reanimation, and the fight against Darth Vader are listed under "Resurrections".

However, he also said that it wasn't confirmed as to what we are seeing. It could've been a clone, a Sith illusion, or something similar (he even says something like what Luke experienced on Dagobah). I'd wager, however, it was as powerful as Maul (or even more) considering he forced Vader to put his life on the line just to kill him.

But, that's just my opinion. It could be a more powerful version of Maul, a far weaker version, or equal - nothing has been confirmed, ergo it's basically irrelevant to even bring up the match.

Ah OK, my mistake.

Ok, it's been established that Dooku cannot survive against Anakin in a sword duel, however, where's the proof he can survive against Dooku's force powers? If we say they start 20m apart, what stops Dooku from taking him out with them? Just asking.........

same question in reverse...what if Vader just choked him from 20m away? Does lightning go that far effictively?

Who's to say Vader could choke him? Who has Vader effectively choked who was remotely close to him in The Force? Movie-wise, he only killed non-Force users with it.

ROTS Vader, however, did do it briefly to Obi-Wan, I think. However, Dooku would school ROTS pre-suit Vader given how rash, arrogant and totally stupid he is.

I give Dooku/Maul good odds against OT Vader in sabers given Mauls's style would be horrible for Vader's one-handed Form V which relies solely on pure strength to beat his opponent. Add Dooku in there and I don't see it going well. However, if Vader used The Force to hold Maul off, he might be able to beat Dooku after a long saber duel.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF VADER (IN SUIT) BEING UNDERESTIMATED.
Although he does lose a helluvalotta mobility due to it, according to novelizations there are also added improvements (Not to mention, he pretty much gets over it in RODV). In RODV, he took a glancing blow with a lightsaber without even NOTICING. Pre-suit Vader could never have done that. Also, he can throw immensely heavy objects and SHRED METAL using the Force. Do not underestimate him as a duelist by any means. He took on just as many Jedi at a time as Grievous did, and, although Grievous is hellishly fast, Vader is just as hellishly strong. Besides, Grievous is a non-Force user. Grievous gets pwned. As for Maul, he lacks either the speed of Grievous or the force of Vader's blows. Consider that he's relatively weak in the Force, he gets pwned. As for Dooku, that's gotta be the most challenging. However, Vader can probably block Force Lightning with his saber (Although I haven't seen him do it as of yet. My apologies.) I consider the two as about equal regarding Force-use. He can't win on a defensive front; Dooku is just too good of a goddamn duelist. BUT, on the other hand, if Vader starts swinging at him, does anyone really think that Dooku's dueling style is forceful enough to block it? Who has Dooku faced with that same raw power?

.....Srry if I sounded a little pissed.

When I said "Who has Dooku faced with that same raw power?" I meant it as a question, not a challenge. I really can't name anyone.

What is all this crap about Tyranus losing to OT Vader? The last I checked we decided on a stalemate, even though Dooku was winning on the poll. So none of you Vader lovers better start posting that bullsh*t.

And to answer your question - Dooku has fought and beaten Mace Windu. If by raw power you mean physical strength then I would put Mace on Vaders level. After all he did defeat a whole friggin droid legion with his fists. Also Makashi parries, not blocks. Meaning it doesnt have to meet other forms strength for strength.