I wonder if Abraxas is one of the primodial gods that he battled for supremacy over cosmic balance? I think that battle was to decide who would serve cosmic balance of the Universe.. The winner being Galactus making him issential to the Universe.. It would make Aeges and Tenebrous non essential... But thats just speculation, very little info about that event..
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm still not following you. Are you saying that because there's more than one that they aren't universal, or that their roll of balance isn't important? You are familiar with Galactus's role in Marvel, right?
Originally posted by Tshern
I think being cosmic doesn't necessarily make you universal. In my opinion Surfer is cosmic, but by no means universal. However, all universal beings that I can quickly come up with are cosmic.But I still agree with you, the very essence of the meanings of the words in question is the same...
Sorry, the message is probably a bit awkward. I suck at explaining words in English. Damn second languages...
I get what your saying. For me it's always been a difference between being a cosmic entity and a cosmic powered character. The Fantastic Four are cosmic powered, but they are not cosmic entities. Surfer himself is cosmic powered. He was empowered by Galactus. Galactus himself, on the other hand, is a cosmic entity, because his existence and role are essential to the universe. He's the balance between Eternity and Death, as stated on panel, and his origins (as Galactus, not Galan) are of the birth of the universe.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Listen everyone know what is Death's purpose in the Universe but she has been killed by Thanos with Ultimate Nullifier so please stop this importence stupidity.
Hmm, well I gather from this reply that you must be young to be getting so agitated over a hypothetical conversation. If you don't like the questions I'm asking or the topic, feel free to ignore them.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I get what your saying. For me it's always been a difference between being a cosmic entity and a cosmic powered character. The Fantastic Four are cosmic powered, but they are not cosmic entities. Surfer himself is cosmic powered. He was empowered by Galactus. Galactus himself, on the other hand, is a cosmic entity, because his existence and role are essential to the universe. He's the balance between Eternity and Death, as stated on panel, and his origins (as Galactus, not Galan) are of the birth of the universe.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Why? Abraxas killed almost every Galactus except 616
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
It goes like this :
Dc Universe: Spectre kills them since they are not essential
Neutral Universe: The same as in DC
Marvel Universe: Spectre either beats them or takes away their powers
Originally posted by grey foxTenebrous is holding back Wolverine while Aegis is holding back Squirrel Girl.
Just had a thought.Galactus is part of a trio. Himself , Death and eternity. He also plays the role of gaurd and Jail to Abraxes. Because Aegis and Tenebrous are apparent 'Equals' does that mean that there holding back something as well ?
Originally posted by grey fox
Just had a thought.Galactus is part of a trio. Himself , Death and eternity. He also plays the role of gaurd and Jail to Abraxes. Because Aegis and Tenebrous are apparent 'Equals' does that mean that there holding back something as well ?
Originally posted by Roldz
I wonder if Abraxas is one of the primodial gods that he battled for supremacy over cosmic balance? I think that battle was to decide who would serve cosmic balance of the Universe.. The winner being Galactus making him issential to the Universe.. It would make Aeges and Tenebrous non essential... But thats just speculation, very little info about that event..
He then impresoned Abraxas in himself and the 2 in the crunch..
Too many unknown..
First of all, Death was killed in Universe X, an alternate reality. In that reality, apparently Mephisto is just a stupid caveman who thought he was the devil. I don't know why you would ever bring that into this thread. And don't underestimate the Ultimate Nullifier. In continuity, it is an aspect of Galactus and has never truly been explained.
Now, we've seen entities that are beyond Spectre's judgement for some reason. One, was Parallax. For whatever reason, Spectre could not bring his power onto him, even though he technically caused mass destruction and pain. But then again, he was probably just doing his "job." But that's the caveat...
So now, I'm going to end this thread. FP Spectre SHOULD be able to beat FP Aegis and FP Tenebrous. That's right. You heard me. 180 degree turn. I'll explain why. Look at this scan and the circled part. Aegis and Tenebrous defied the Creator. They were Proemiel Elders, just like Galactus and they all served the same role, of bringing balance and making ready the way for all that will come... but they perverted it. They are as important to the cosmic balance as Galactus, but they decided to remake the universe their own way. Galactus had to imprison them.
Since they went against the wishes of the Creator, they should be subject to His Wrath. Therefore, they're like Galactus gone bad. Spectre should be able to bring his power to bear. And now that I think of it, he could do it by destroying the Universe, but bringing all that power as the Crunch and imprisoning them again.
So there. After all of Juntai's sidestepping, I just realized the weakness in my own argument. Now let nobody question that I do recognize when I'm wrong or beaten. I would like to see it in other peoplpe here at KMC though. -.-
Only hypothetical question I have now is, if Aegis and Tenebrous are FP, they must have absorbed everything and are the source of the new beginning. So where would Spectre get the power for a new Crunch? Everything that is, everything that will be the source of the universe, is already inside of FP Aegis and FP Tenebrous, since that is what their FP state is. So where would the power of a new Crunch come from? I guess if Spectre is FP and authorized by the Creator to do anything, he could draw it out of them. But something like that doesn't sit well with me. Either way, I've had 5 beers in the past hour and can't think straight. All I know is this, nobody's ever beaten me in a debate once I've taken a position... except myself. I'm my own worst enemy.
I still subscribe to the idea that Galactus and the Proemial Elders are above Spectre in the food chain, "Balance and Re-creation" is clearly over "Judgement of Wrongdoers." So if Spectre ever decided to go after Galactus, who is still doing his job, well then...
... but that's not what this thead is about. So until next time, cheers.
EDIT: And lastly, I still believe Tenebrous and Aegis serve functions as equally fundamental as Galactus. Tenebrous's monicker is "He of the Darkness Between." That sounds like Dark Matter, which according to scientists is what keeps the Universe together. Aegis, Lady of All Sorrows... I can't speculate from that little what that could mean. So who's to say that they're still not serving important functions? Who knows.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Living Tribunal is not Spectre. Spectre is the avatar of vengeance, Living Tribunal is about pure balance. Living Tribunal did nothing to Thanos, who was evil and killed half of the universe. Living Tribunal merely saw it as one being (Thanos) taking precedence over the other (Eternity). He is above concepts of good and evil, unlike Spectre.
No they are not above Spectre since
Spectre = Living Tribunal.
Nobody should make that argument again. Anti-Monitor wanted to make himself all that is by absorbing all that is. Living Tribunal probably would have done nothing to him. Just like Thanos w/ IG.