Incoherent babble. Jean's power is thought, telepathy and telekinesis effect instantly. Not bullshit idiom "in an instant" instantly. Jean's powers effect instantly as she thinks. Storm's fastest power is her lightning, it follows her thought to manipulate the weather to manifest lightning and travels nowhere near lightspeed. Assuming both think at the same speed (which they don't, telepaths minds work faster) Storm's neck is broken before a lightning bolt is even formed.
Storm manipulates weather patterns to create weather phenomena. When she attacks, she thinks "lightning", and the message goes to the weather patterns, hence, the basis of her powers. Lightning appears. It only takes a second, but her lightning appears AFTER the thought has been made.
Whereas a telepathic/telekinetic action happens simultaneously as the thought is made, since the thought IS the attack.
Oh, and lightning, under optimal conditions, travels one fifth of light speed at best.
Comprende?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Incoherent babble. Jean's power is thought, telepathy and telekinesis effect instantly. Not bullshit idiom "in an instant" instantly as she thinks. Storm's fastest power is her lightning, it follows her thought manifesting her lightning and travels nowhere near lightspeed. Assuming both think at the same speed (which they don't, telepaths minds work faster) Storm's neck is broken before a lightning bolt is even formed.
As HOF stated storm's powers are always on and manipulating because her emotions are in a constant shift, when she think of lightning it will fall with the quickness and i mean quickness.
I'm telling you it's 50/50 it's not so hard to believe, it saves us a whole lot of time arguing, this is a pretty close match if you ask me. When i first came i was almost certain storm would win 10/10 but it's clearly a draw.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Storm manipulates weather patterns to create weather phenomena. When she attacks, she thinks "lightning", and the message goes to the weather patterns, hence, the basis of her powers. Lightning appears. It only takes a second, but her lightning appears AFTER the thought has been made.Whereas a telepathic/telekinetic action happens simultaneously as the thought is made, since the thought IS the attack.
Oh, and lightning, under optimal conditions, travels one fifth of light speed at best.
Comprende?
But you said tk takes no time at all so once she thinks lightning it should form rapidly fast and stike.
Also lightning travels at mutiple speeds, it is not certain how fast lightning truly strikes.
NOONE'S giving any definative numbers or estiamtes of the speed of thought as opposed to the speed of light which further drives home the point of Jean's powers giving people the liberty to make shit up as they go along.
Noone has given any numbers as to the speed of thought.
How can Jeans powers work "simultaneously" with her thoughts??? Bullshit semantics. If she thinks it, her actions will FOLLOW. That is NOT "simulataneous" just as with storm.
Storm thinks lighting, 120,000,000 volts appears at 186,000 miles a second. Jean thinks "break neck" and neck is broken _____________________ when? After her thought?? How long after her thought??? a second??? half second???
C'mon
Just imagine storm calling down 2,3, 4 Bolts of Lightning Simultaneously. That ***** is DEAD as DEAD can be
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yea, that's T-E-L-E-P-A-T-H-Y not psychokenesis(TK), which wouldn't
work anyway.The thing is, Jean's powers are more metaphysical which leaves people the liberty to pretty much take them anywhere they want-- shytting all over logic, physics etc. Whereas Storm's powers are psionic control over energy Patterns(PERIOD) which while on earth manifest in meterological phenomena, which is an actual SCIENCE that people observe and study.
I find that with most of these "storm vs" threads, her opponents usuallly are more "out there" with their powers which gives people liberty to use their imagination more and basically make shyt up as they go along to give "character x" a "win". That's storm's main downfall in these silly ass "vs" threads.
Storm still wins. Light(lighning) is faster than human thought. Lightning approaches speeds in excess of 186,000 miles per second and can reach 120,000,000 volts.(see, actual SCIENCE).
Jean would NOT be fast enough to do ANYTHING.
The end 😮💨 💃
Firstly that scan involving Psylocke is TK...thought and action are in unison.
And telepathy would work.
Storm has to think and then action occurs. Jean just has to think...as for you figures...
Lightning is NOT Light it's plasma...it travels at 1/3 the speed of light and requires a medium.
Fact Storm has to think to someone a bolt of lightning...from the Psylocke scan...Storm is too slow.
Oh and not that it would come to it...but Emma has taken Storms lightning on two occasions...one from a Bloodlusted Storm who was out to kill. Emma got right up from both.
Originally posted by don't shiv
Lillandra's an Alien.The Shiar deity gave the Shiar race a wierd capacity to resonate with their true love.
Lillandra's an Alien, and I'd like to see Xavier communicating with Corsair when they're light years apart.
Maybe but the point is...they still communicate via telepathy. Which has no lag...the concept of telepathy in comic book terms has no lag.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
NOONE'S giving any definative numbers or estiamtes of the speed of thought as opposed to the speed of light which further drives home the point of Jean's powers giving people the liberty to make shit up as they go along.Noone has given any numbers as to the speed of thought.
How can Jeans powers work "simultaneously" with her thoughts??? Bullshit semantics. If she thinks it, her actions will FOLLOW. That is NOT "simulataneous" just as with storm.
Storm thinks lighting, 120,000,000 volts appears at 186,000 miles a second. Jean thinks "break neck" and neck is broken _____________________ when? After her thought?? How long after her thought??? a second??? half second???
C'mon
Just imagine storm calling down 2,3, 4 Bolts of Lightning Simultaneously. That ***** is DEAD as DEAD can be
Are you arguing what is actually stated in the narrative? In comic book terms....TK and TP are faster.
Originally posted by The Weather God
Storm is speed of thought and then light action, jean is thought with tp/tk that travels at lightspeed. She would still have to think of the action before it is preformed as storm would.
For TK from the scan it's Thought + action similtaneously.(The action apparently occurs at the speed of light)
For Telepathy it's Thought + Whatever since it's instant.(Xavier + Lilandra)
For Storms powers it's thought and then action(Blink of an eye).
BTW Storm is speed of thought + 1/3 the speed of light.
Originally posted by The Weather God
As HOF stated storm's powers are always on and manipulating because her emotions are in a constant shift, when she think of lightning it will fall with the quickness and i mean quickness.I'm telling you it's 50/50 it's not so hard to believe, it saves us a whole lot of time arguing, this is a pretty close match if you ask me. When i first came i was almost certain storm would win 10/10 but it's clearly a draw.
The same can be said about telepaths since they are able to sense enemy minds entering the Xavier grounds.
Storms powers may be always on...but from the scans it takes a blink of an eye to summon a bolt of lightning.
Originally posted by The Weather God
But you said tk takes no time at all so once she thinks lightning it should form rapidly fast and stike.Also lightning travels at mutiple speeds, it is not certain how fast lightning truly strikes.
For TK and TP action and thought are in unison.
For Storm it's thought then action.
And lightning has been proven to travel at less then half the speed of light. It's plasma..not light.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
NOONE'S giving any definative numbers or estiamtes of the speed of thought as opposed to the speed of light which further drives home the point of Jean's powers giving people the liberty to make shit up as they go along.Noone has given any numbers as to the speed of thought.
How can Jeans powers work "simultaneously" with her thoughts??? Bullshit semantics. If she thinks it, her actions will FOLLOW. That is NOT "simulataneous" just as with storm.
Storm thinks lighting, 120,000,000 volts appears at 186,000 miles a second. Jean thinks "break neck" and neck is broken _____________________ when? After her thought?? How long after her thought??? a second??? half second???
C'mon
Just imagine storm calling down 2,3, 4 Bolts of Lightning Simultaneously. That ***** is DEAD as DEAD can be
It works similtaneously because that's the way Telekinesis and Telepathy work in Sci-Fi. They don't actually exist you know.
And lightning does not travel at the speed of light....it takes a blink of an eye for Storm to form a bolt. Thought + Action.
Originally posted by 2damnloudLightning does not move at 186,000 miles per second. You're deluded. Not even close.
NOONE'S giving any definative numbers or estiamtes of the speed of thought as opposed to the speed of light which further drives home the point of Jean's powers giving people the liberty to make shit up as they go along.Noone has given any numbers as to the speed of thought.
How can Jeans powers work "simultaneously" with her thoughts??? Bullshit semantics. If she thinks it, her actions will FOLLOW. That is NOT "simulataneous" just as with storm.
Storm thinks lighting, 120,000,000 volts appears at 186,000 miles a second. Jean thinks "break neck" and neck is broken _____________________ when? After her thought?? How long after her thought??? a second??? half second???
C'mon
Just imagine storm calling down 2,3, 4 Bolts of Lightning Simultaneously. That ***** is DEAD as DEAD can be
Telekinesis is thought. The action does not follow. For a telekinetic thought is action. Stated on panel as the speed of light - Psylocke is a telekinetic. Telepathy is FTL.
As Storm manipulates the weather to create a lightning bolt, before a lightning bolt is even formed, Jean manipulates Storm's heart out of her chest.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lightning does not move at 186,000 miles per second. You're deluded. Not even close.Telekinesis is thought. The action does not follow. For a telekinetic thought is action. Stated on panel as the speed of light - Psylocke is a telekinetic. Telepathy is FTL.
As Storm manipulates the weather to create a lightning bolt, before a lightning bolt is even formed, Jean manipulates Storm's heart out of her chest.
You're sweet, X, repeating yourself so often for the slow among us.
Perhaps they'd understand if you spoke slower and used smaller words? They just don't seem to be getting it, as is.
Or storm can create a thunderstorm inside Jean's head.
Rmember storm alters her perception to see te world as ENERGY in which she can munipulate, this includes electrical impulses in the body.
Lightining does travel near or at the speed of light, either way, it's still too fast for Jean's mind.
Give it up, It's either doulble K.O. or Jean is DEAD. 😆
The end 💃
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Or storm can create a thunderstorm inside Jean's head.Rmember storm alters her perception to see te world as ENERGY in which she can munipulate, this includes electrical impulses in the body.
Lightining does travel near or at the speed of light, either way, it's still too fast for Jean's mind.
Give it up, It's either doulble K.O. or Jean is DEAD.
The end
Not before Storm gets K.O'd
Storms has her limits.
Magnetos energy storm is beyond her powers in this scan.
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv208607rougherqb1.jpg
Not that it matters but:
Has she ever manipulated the brain impules in a persons body before? I don't recall any? And if she has could you list an issue number?
Also has she ever been shown to manipulate weather patterns inside a persons body? Because I don't recall any either.
And again Lightning moves at less then half the speed of light...nowhere close to what you're saying.
Storm's Perception and control over Energy Patterns
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg
Knowing storm, she'd probably see the psi bolt before it manifest. She probably could see the energy in Jean's head.
Jean's DEAD, man 😆
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's Perception and control over Energy Patternshttp://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg
That's cool..I'll put it in the Storm respect thread....it still doesn't save her in this fight though...
Telekinesis and Telepathy work faster then her powers:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg
BTW What about the thunderstorm in a persons body? Has she ever done that?
Also it doesn't look like she can manipulate other peoples brain signals...from that scan it looks like she can only control her perception of the world, which allowed her to understand the way weather patterns move when lightning is created...and therefore duplicate it herself. She can just see energy patterns it doesn't mean she manipulates that particular energy. Look at the fire...she can't manipulate fire yet she percieves it as energy. She has limits.
Like here for example:
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv208607rougherqb1.jpg
Knowing storm, she'd probably see the psi bolt before it manifest. She probably could see the energy in Jean's head.Jean's DEAD, man 😆 [/B]
That power isn't always on....and if she did have it on...it wouldn't make a difference seeing how Storm has no protection against a Psi-Bolt.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Or storm can create a thunderstorm inside Jean's head.Rmember storm alters her perception to see te world as ENERGY in which she can munipulate, this includes electrical impulses in the body.
Lightining does travel near or at the speed of light, either way, it's still too fast for Jean's mind.
Give it up, It's either doulble K.O. or Jean is DEAD. 😆
The end 💃
The excessive use of smilies and telling us to "give up" doesn't really show anything else besides that you can't counter the points made up by the opposition.
The speed of lightning doesn't matter, seeing as Storm's brains are already removed from her head, seeing as Jean's attack comes faster.
Oh, and Jean's first action can be just to create an simple TK shield instantly. So,
One second into battle: Jean thinks of shield, Storm thinks of lightning.
One and half seconds into battle: Jean's shield appears, thought = action in TP and TK.
Two seconds into battle: Storm's lightning appears, deflected by Jean's shield.
Three seconds into battle: Storm is in five different pieces.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's Perception and control over Energy Patternshttp://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg
Knowing storm, she'd probably see the psi bolt before it manifest. She probably could see the energy in Jean's head.
Jean's DEAD, man 😆
She needs to activate that power. She just doesn't always have it on.
Storm dies, no matter what.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She needs to activate that power. She just doesn't always have it on.Storm dies, no matter what.
How the hell do you think she controls the WEATHER!?!?!? She preceives and controls the energy patterns that govern Earth's weather.
That "power" and her weather munipulation are INSEPERABLE.
Even if Lightning goes at 50,000 miles a second it is STILL too fast for Jean's mind 😆
Lightning does travel at or near the speed of light
Storm is just too powerful for Jean.
Jean is DEAD or it is a double K.O. 💃
To give you an idea of how POWERFUL storm is. Jean or even Professor X couldn't create a Storm INSTANTLY with their psionic power even if they wanted to because of the many components that go into the weather-- the movement of molecules, subatomic particles such as electrons, large air masses etc.--all being moved by storms mind.
They don't have her weather perception to munipulate those HUGE energy patterns of the Earth.
She can take that same power of munipulation and apply in SPACE or in the Human body--Electrons, water molecules, air etc. She's powerful, man
She has to consciously alter her senses to perceive things in such a manner.
Lightning does not travel near the speed of light no matter how many times you repeat it. It travels, by higher estimates at a third the speed of light, or roughly 120,000 mps slower than the speed of light.
Telekinesis is lightspeed. Telekinesis is thought and action as one. Telekinesis kills Storm in a myriad of ways before she can manifest anything regardless of how fast it moves.
Storm cannot control the inside of a human body, she cannot manipulate brain signals. She manipulates environment. And she gets her back broken in two by telekinesis before she can do a thing.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
To give you an idea of how POWERFUL storm is. Jean or even Professor X couldn't create a Storm INSTANTLY with their psionic power even if they wanted to because of the many components that go into the weather-- the movement of molecules, subatomic particles such as electrons, large air masses etc.--all being moved by storms mind.They don't have her weather perception to munipulate those HUGE energy patterns of the Earth.
She can take that same power of munipulation and apply in SPACE or in the Human body--Electrons, water molecules, air etc. She's powerful, man
Storm is psionic, Iceman is psionic, Magma is psionic it doesn't mean they all have the same power. They all have specialised psionic powers.
Storm manipulates weather patterns....which summons the elements..
Again has she ever manipulated the pulses in the human body...because your scan doesn't suggest any of that....all it suggests is that she can percieve energy patterns...and manipulate those specific energies involved in weather manipulation. i.e. She percieves fire as energy yet she can't manipulate that.
She doesn't manipulate every energy she percieves...as she can't manipulate fire...and she certainly can't manipulate this:
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9128/xmenv208607rougherqb1.th.jpg
Also her powers are quite limited in space.
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v2i3xmenpage02io5.jpg
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She has to consciously alter her senses to perceive things in such a manner.Lightning does not travel near the speed of light no matter how many times you repeat it. It travels, by higher estimates at a third the speed of light, or roughly 120,000 mps slower than the speed of light.
Telekinesis is lightspeed. Telekinesis is thought and action as one. Telekinesis kills Storm in a myriad of ways before she can manifest anything regardless of how fast it moves.
Storm cannot control the inside of a human body, she cannot manipulate brain signals. She manipulates environment. And she gets her back broken in two by telekinesis before she can do a thing.
The scan says otherwise. It says she can "shape those energies to her will"
What source stated that thought was "light speed"?
"At great depths within Jupiter, the pressure is so great that the hydrogen atoms are broken up and the electrons are freed so that the resulting atoms consist of bare protons. This produces a state in which the hydrogen becomes metallic"
^ Storm can created atmospheric pressure STRONGER than that.
