Originally posted by Rutog98
Where do you get 99%? The vast majority of her history sides with me.Thor and She-Hulk, eh? Well, as stated, he withstood Cyclops, Wolverine and Colossus together. Therefore, his shields got their due credit in that issue.
What you don't see is Storm's power levels is greater than Magneto's.
Now I am going to throw some facts.
Here is what we do know: Storm flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes. Those winds would have been clocking at a couple of thousand miles per hour.
With me?
Okay, lets look at tornadoes and hurricanes. These are cyclonic winds. In other words, they grow in strength and power geometrically with their wind speeds. For instance, a 200 mph tornado has 4 times the force of a 100 mph tornado. A 300 mph tornado has 9 times the force of a 100 mph tornado. A thousand mile per hour tornado would have 100 times the force of a 100 mph tornado. (Hurricanes grow in strength in likewise fashion).
The speed at which Ororo can generate her winds depends on her control over heat and pressure gradiants. She plays with these forces to maximize winds. She has generated pressure fields greater than the pressure found on the surface of Jupiter. You have no idead how strong this is, do you? This puts her well beyond Magneto's abilities. Sorry.
I know excatly how strong pressures in Jupiter are. About 10 times of that in Earth, maybe less. I also know that it took Storm 10 minutes to create an Jovian pressure field, and it knocked her out in the process. Funny thing that you forgot to mention that.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Her winds have been stated to be strong enough to level mountains. She has also generated winds strong enough to scour the surface of the world to its bedrock. She has lifted buildings on more than one occassion (including a skyscraper). This puts her well beyond any hurricane or tornado force wind. She has created a pressure dome around herself and her team and summoned winds of sufficient force to punch her through a mountain effortlessly. These stunts show Storm generating weather forces than any hurricane or tornado. Storm smashing Magneto's force-field is just another thing to put on the list.Now, for her to fly from New Orleans to New York in the time she did, those winds were clocking at a few thousand miles per hour. Lets say they were 3000 mph. Those winds will generate a force 900 times a 100 mph tornado. The strongest tornados we see in real life are about 318 mph. She can push the envelope well beyond this and she has with the stunts I have listed above. That means her winds are easily apprx. 100 times the force greater than even the strongest of tornadoes.
Hahhah, your reasoning is really retarted. You don't know anything about the force of the stuff Magneto's fields have withstanded, do you? Do you even know what nuclear weapons are capable of?
One nuke does WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more destructive damage then anything Storm is capable of. There is the pressure from the nuke, AND the blast winds (several hundred km/h), AND thermal radiation, and nuclear radiation, and many, many other things. Magneto's shield shielded him from all this.
Originally posted by Rutog98
The reason I go back to Uncanny 150 with Storm is because Ororo and Magneto have only battled 3 times. First time, Magneto won because she was a novice. The next time, he won because she held back. He admits that she could beat him if she did not hold back. The third time is Uncanny 150. Again, Storm does not use her full power, but still taxes his power greatly as he admits.
And again.
What in the comic made you believe that Magneto was fighting even near his full power?
Originally posted by Rutog98
What you fail to realize is a Storm/Magneto battle outcome (if both are motivated to win and not hold back) depends on who can draw upon more power from the Earth to power their attacks on each other. Magneto cannot defeat a character who can alter half of the planet's ecosystem. Storm has accomplished this. Show me where Magneto has done this without a machine or special circumstances surrounding the state of the planetary EM fields. Storm and Magneto have the same power base. Earth. Storm controls more violent forces, though.
There was no special circumstances in the first example besides the Magneto Protocols, and your whining doesn't change that. Of course if you can show me an example where it states that it made Magneto easier to manipulate the field instead of making it harder LIKE IT STATED IN THE COMIC, be my guest.
And more violent forces my ass, come back when Storm can lift something that weighs as much as dozen cities with EASE. Come back when Storm lifts an mountain and smashes it into her enemies. Come back when Storm opens the ground under her and decimates entire city. Come back when she actually destroys mountains instead of all the talk. Come back when she can destroy an entire city in one panel.
Then we can talk.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You have problems accepting a character like this smashing Magneto's force field? Please do not bring up Thor and She-Hulk to me as we have already seen Thor's hammer absorb MAgneto's force-field in the past. That issue wrote Thor down. Magneto cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, withstand Thor. Thor is a guy who fights Silver Surfer, right?
The trick is, that Thor wasn't trying to absorb anything, he was smashing Magneto's forcefield as hard as he could, and Magneto took it. Nice that you ignore the nuclear weapons, Galactus, Phoenix, and all the other things, too...
Originally posted by Rutog98
Even Magneto has stated in canon that Storm could beat him if she did not hold back.
When he did not have a forcefield on, was fighting an entire team and Storm took him by surprise. He said that she could have beaten him in THAT situation.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Now, please show me, who's "impressive" feat am I ignoring? I know you are not harping about Jean and Juggernaut. Are you telling me that Jean Grey, without the Phoenix Force, can hurl Galactus through a solar system? LOL! Once that issue was written with Juggernaut, it nulls and voids the other stuff. If we descuss Juggernaut at that level, then Jean cannot hold him. However, he varies. Storm's winds are stronger than JEan's TK. There is no doubt about that.
Let's see.
You are ignoring the power of Magneto's forcefields and basing it into one comic where he isn't fighting near full power at all.
You are ignoring the fact that Magneto's offensive power is far greater then Storms.
You are ignoring the fact that Magneto can shut down Storm's powers if he wants to do so.
You are ignoring the fact...wait, I can just repost this list.
A) Protect himself from any attack Storm can do with his forcefield that have stoof against Phoenix, Thor, Galactus, nuclear weapons, multiple explosions, missiles, lasers, bullets, different blasts, combined attacks of Archangel, Cyclops, Iceman, Gambit, Sunspot, Bishop AND Storm, Wolverine's adamantium claws, Captain Universe Spider-Man's attacks and have no flaws AT ALL (as Karnak showed).
B) Simply kill Storm with one of his blasts, which have destroyed cities, punched through mountains, shattered steel, vaporized tankers, knocked out Phoenix, killed every living being within miles radius,
C) Shield himself from all the senses of Storm, so she can't see, hear or in any other way acknowledge his presence.
D) When he can control the lightning that Storm uses to attack, control the photons that go to his eyes, making her blind...
E) Simply rip him apart magnetically, like he has done multiple times against different opponents, or control the iron in her blood and kill her that way, since he is able to control items on molecular level...and when his powers are mighty enough to effortlessly move Avalon (an spaceship the size of an small state), Asteroid M, huge mountains, tectonic plates, Mjolnir, adamantium and huge tanker ships...
F) Or simply jam Storm's powers like he has done in past to her and dozen other X-Men, with no trouble at all.
Try again. This time, try to actually counter my points instead of spouting something that you have pulled ouf of your fanboy mind.
Oh, and I would like to see very much this scan where Storm flies with Mach 2...which I may add is pathetic compared to the speed Magneto can fly, and winds blowing twice the speed of sound will hardly break his fields.
Of course you choose to ignore this too?
